Has anyone done studies into shared hallucinations?

[perfection5712]

I can think of a few trippy experiences where there have been shared hallucinations , or a sense of telepathy etc. tbh there have been times where a pair of my friends where doing everything so perfectly in sync i started to wonder if they actually had some kind of telepathic link going on.

Im interested in the nature of hallucinations, what causes them and mostly their relation to dreams... So yeah basically im wondering if anybody knows of any studies or research that have been done in that area?

 

[stevein7]

psychosis?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

While your request is asking if research has been done, it's not actually about a given study. I'll move this from DRUG STUDIES over to PD, since that forum's readers might be better able to help you out. Cheers.

 

[Solipsis]

I hate rumors but the only thing I know is that they did *some* study here in the Netherlands about mushrooms and telepathy and not all results could be explained. It would be awesome to actually find some info about this.

Oh yeah I got something already - score

translated:

Ganzfeld experiments in the Netherlands have proved that people under the influence of mushrooms are much better able to convey thoughts telepathically than normal. The motivation for this experiment was the traditional use of mushrooms in South American Indian cultures. Here is the link between these fungi and clairvoyance or telepathy for granted.

There has long been known that people often report paranormal experiences during an altered state of consciousness, such as dreams, meditation and just before falling asleep. Psychics came up with a setting in which people quickly in such a state could be achieved: Ganzfeld. In the experiment, the eponymous subject in a reclining chair in a soundproof room put. Headphones when only noise is heard. Two half tennis balls on the eyes when a red light shines. Without sensory stimuli paranormal signals were clearly observable.

In another room is the "channel" which examines a picture and tries to transmit to the subject. There are many variations on this experiment, the receiver usually describes his impressions and afterwards choose from four pictures the one who comes closest to those impressions. His chances of good gambling is 25 percent, so if this percentage is higher than after several experiments that would be something paranormal might be using.

After twenty years Ganzfeld research around the world found that the average success rate around 33 percent. Then did Dick Bierman, professor of parapsychology at the University of Utrecht, and study investigator Rens Wezelman clairvoyance under the influence of drugs. Subjects were allowed to smoke one joint prior to a Ganzfeld session, or they got a dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, mushrooms oftwel. Stoned subjects scored about 30 percent, above chance levels, but comparable to results of fasting subjects. Under the influence of psychotropic mushrooms was less than 58 percent success rate.

source:
http://www.parapsy.nl/uploads/w1/GFenDrugs.pdf

 

[tastethealex]

Ponder this: Are hallucinations Imaginary, or a window to another dimension? Might help explain shared hallucinations.

 

[Big)Sky]

I hate rumors but the only thing I know is that they did *some* study here in the Netherlands about mushrooms and telepathy and not all results could be explained. It would be awesome to actually find some info about this.


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source:
http://www.parapsy.nl/uploads/w1/GFenDrugs.pdf

Thats funny of mention this. One time me and a friend ate a quarters worth of mushroom extraction, and on the ride home from the place we dropped, still intoxicated, we were finishing each others sentence's like if we had allready experienced this. We were blown away by this.

 

[Syd_Barret]

Ponder this: Are hallucinations Imaginary, or a window to another dimension? Might help explain shared hallucinations.

They're quite imaginary, I assure you.




I dont understand why psychedelic drug users often insist on making a big deal out of their experiences. trying to ascribe deeper meaning to things that don't necessarily contain them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about deeper meanings, finding whatever, etc, mystical experiences if they ariset., etc but.. but when I hear about people telling me how they communicated with their dog or cat wirelessly (sorry, haha I had to use that term here, its too funny)
I just... I'm sorry I don't believe any of it. haha.

 

[tastethealex]

They're quite imaginary, I assure you.




I dont understand why psychedelic drug users often insist on making a big deal out of their experiences. trying to ascribe deeper meaning to things that don't necessarily contain them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about deeper meanings, finding whatever, etc, mystical experiences if they ariset., etc but.. but when I hear about people telling me how they communicated with their dog or cat wirelessly (sorry, haha I had to use that term here, its too funny)
I just... I'm sorry I don't believe any of it. haha.

Comment was made for fun, I actually enjoy contemplating such ideas while tripping. Even though I know they are far from what is true, there possibilities are fun to explore like a good Sci-fi adventure. I have many many various theories on religion and the universe. I can't say I "believe" any of them just as I cant ever fully believe a religion. There are just certain thing that it is not possibly to know the truth about till we leave our bodies behind.

 

[Solipsis]

Agreed they are pretty imaginary, the only window to another dimension that is pretty real whatever that means is the one to the dimension of your mind. Which contains remnants in form of biological mechanisms of ages ago.
Archetypal forms and instinct and many many other things can be unraveled in deep experiences where we see chunks of that flying by.

It's not that magical if you talk about it that way but IMO valid. Of course it's extremely magical to experience but let's not make even more of it than it already is.

 

[Syd_Barret]

Yeah, theres still a great deal people can learn from them, thats for sure.


I guess I personally have a pet peeve with people who see psychedelic drugs in that light. haha

 

[youngjedi]

What phsycadelics do it open up ones pineal gland and thats why one sees reality as it actually is. The pineal gland is what releases dmt to cause dreams, out of body experiences in meditation and such, also it is released in near death experiences and right before death as why so many people say "their life flashes before their eyes". When this takes place you enter the spiritual world or as i call it "actual reality" which is why shrooms, peyote, dmt, salvia are all consired spiritual drugs and should be done in the right mindsate, not just to see trippy shit. Why do you think people share dreams pretty often or share hallucinations under drug influence, see entities, spirits, or beings? Reality as we know it is just an illusion created by man longgggg ago, so is time. When in this mind state you realize that past present and future are all one, you reach supreme conciousness. What do you think deja vu is? Usually a dream you had experiencing the future. Phycic readers are nothing more than people who learn to master the art of this, anyone can do it with dedication and patience. We are nothing but vibrant energy and are all connected to the energy of mother nature, this is why you lose your ego and think clearly for the first time. You know when you get that nice feeling of maternal love once you feel at peace on phycadelics, that is your body vibrating in sync with mother Earth. Consiousness is what defines an individual, we are nothing but avatars. Mind, Body, and Soul!

Hope this helped you in some way.

 

[Aleph]

Often under the influence of psychedelic hallucinations shared them with my friends without verbal communication. I do not know the nature of these hallucinations.

 

[youngjedi]

The reason why people say they can communicate without talking sometimes or why they can communicate with their dog or cat is because you really can under the right mindstate. Thoughts create brainwaves of energy that can be received by someone who has a "breakthrough". Most people dont fully get to that mindstate but get close and can see peoples intentions by their auras, can tell very easily if another individual is sad, happy, or angry. Im sure if you have messed with phycedelics you have gone throught this at one point or another. When you have a "breakthrough" it is really life changing, you tend to know how the world really works even tho you come back to this "manmade reality".

 

[Ismene]

The pineal gland is what releases dmt to cause dreams, out of body experiences in meditation and such, also it is released in near death experiences and right before death as why so many people say "their life flashes before their eyes".

This is just a theory that Rick Strassman came up with. There's absolutely no evidence to support it. If you want my opinion it's complete bollocks.

DMT trips are absolutely nothing like the description of near-death experiences and they're nothing like any dreams I've ever had or ever heard anyone describe. If a DMT trip was like a dream I honestly wouldn't bother taking it.

 

[youngjedi]

You apparently havent read much into the subject! and have definately not had any lucid dreams, or even explored what you can do in dreams once you enter them fully aware. Sorry for your inexperience sir! read up on to open you chakras and you pineal gland sir and how you can have an out of body experience through meditation, and then try it yourself, and then come back and talk some sence. Continue using 10% of your brain sir, no one is trying to convince you otherwise.

 

[Ismene]

I'm not sure what "other reading" you mean. Is there anyone else apart from Rick Strassman who has said the pineal gland releases DMT?

And I've explored dreams a lot - I have them most nights. If your dreams are like your DMT trips then I'd suggest you arn't getting good DMT. Are you really saying that if you've dreamt you know what a DMT trip is like?

Oh, and that "You only use 10% of the brain" is an urban myth.

 

[Aleph]

I've had three near-death experiences over my life and neither has anything to do with the DMT and psychedelics.

 

[Ismene]

I've read 3 or 4 books on near death experiences. Drifting down a long dark tunnel towards a bright light, meeting loved ones. In contrast a DMT trip is bright colours combined with exploding patterns and shapes.

 

[youngjedi]

Im saying that if you have had a dmt trip, or any kind of phycedelic trip that you can get to that same mindstate in your dreams, You could also do it in meditation. Next time you become lucid in a dream think of a bong with dmt in it, then pick it up and hit it. tell me what happens? or think there is a door in front of you and it leads to the metaphysical world were ego doesnt exist, just conciousness and tell me what you go through. You simply havent messed with your dreams yet or you wouldnt be arguing right now. As far as the person who says you have had three near death experiences and no trip or life flash before your eyes is because everyones mind works differently, i never said it happens to every single person. Same can go for the reason that some people smoke the exact same amoujnt of salvia and some totally lose their mind and other barely feel a tingly body high. Let me elaborate as to similarities that might help you look at them in a different way.

Many people casually refer to salvia as a hallucinogen, but that word does not adequately describe the true experience. Because it is considered a hallucinogen, many people right away feel they understand how salvia affects the mind. On the web you can find many descriptions of salvia experiences, but even those descriptions do not accurately convey what it’s like. Describing the actual experience is not easy, and many are not able to articulate for others exactly what was experienced. The ones that do describe it are only able to describe, to the best of their ability, what they see. But what they see is unique to each individual, so that kind of reporting isn’t very helpful as a preparatory aid.
The actual salvia experience goes much deeper, and there is actually much commonality in the more profound aspects of its effects. Experienced salvia users will often say “it is like a dream”. And that is a very useful way to help process experiences that you may have already had. But just saying “it’s like a dream” doesn’t adequately prepare someone who has not yet embarked on this journey. The reason it that there are two key aspects of dreams that we take for granted and don’t really think about when we consider the dream state. Those aspects involve the change in our consciousness and the change in how we process sensory input. When dreaming, most people are not aware that they are in a dream (unless they are lucid dreaming, which is a rare and fascinating subject in itself). It doesn’t matter how bizarre or unrealistic the dream is – you accept it without question. Going on a date with a strange woman even though in real life you are married? Working at a job that is a hybrid of several past jobs? Flying through the air as you demonstrate that human flight is possible? No problem. You rarely question these scenarios. It is reality as far as you are concerned, and there is no other reality. So you have no recollection or awareness that, in another level of reality, you are really asleep in bed. And when you wake up, perhaps it takes a while to realize that it was only a dream. But it’s no big deal. This happens all the time and so you get out of bed and go about your day as if nothing strange has happened. Now imagine being in this state except that you are not asleep. Far from it, you are wide awake. You go through the experience, through the “dream”, and you have no awareness of who you are other than the person in your dream. But in this case, you are not having a typical dream, you are under the influence of salvia divinorum. This is where each person’s experience is different. One person believes he is a snowflake. Another thinks she is at a carnival. I once saw teletubbie-like creatures. The details can be interesting but the mind-blowing part is that all the experiences are accepted as reality! And because you have no recollection of who you were or what you were doing moments earlier, the return to “normalcy” can be incredibly disturbing – if not outright frightening. This is the part that many people do not handle well. One’s entire concept of reality is challenged, perhaps even shattered. It can feel as if reality itself has betrayed you. Because of this, many people do not like this experience at all and vow never to use salvia again. But how can you not know where you are? you might wonder. Can’t you just see your surroundings and snap out of it? This brings me to the second vital aspect of the salvia divinorum experience. There is another dream phenomenon that we often take for granted and think nothing of. Have you ever been in the middle of a dream when someone tried to wake you? Maybe they called your name, or gently shook you. Maybe there was some faint commotion going on outside, or a knock at the door. But instead of waking up, you incorporated the sounds or feelings into your dream. The knock at the door became a jack hammer demolishing a dream patio. Or the whispered name became a voice amongst a sea of people at a dream carnival. Again, typically this is no big deal. But now imagine what it would be like if this happens not only to what you hear or feel, but also to what you see! This is what salvia does. The information received by your eyes is interpreted in completely different ways, and usually in ways that harmonize with the “story” that is taking place within the salvia “dream”. Some might describe it as another reality overlayed over normal reality. And some have described it as another world that bleeds through into this world. But the most interesting description that I’ve heard – and which I can relate to my own salvia experiences – is that it’s as if salvia divinorum retunes your brain to another frequency, and that frequency allows you to perceive a different world. It opens up a different mode of perception that really doesn’t involve the normal senses. I can’t say that I “see” anything – I just “know” it exists and then my brain correlates it to some visual representation. The intensity of the salvia experience depends on several factors, including your own sensitivity and the technique used in “ingesting” the plant. Chewing the leaves as the Mazatec do provides a longer-lasting but more gentle experience. The effects last about an hour and I’ve found that I have more control over going into and out of the salvia dream. The same level could be achieved from smoking plain leaves. It is when you smoke the higher level extracts, such 10x or higher, that the likelihood of a full-blown “breakthrough” experience increases. This plant truly is a tool for serious introspection and for exploring your own consciousness. It can help give a different perspective as to the nature of reality and our place in it.

 

[Lazyscience]

^^i cant read posts like that.

anyway, telepathy would suggest the existence of the supernatural which is totally ridiculous.