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Harder to get high on heroin

d3Xo-fan

d3Xo-fan

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My doc once told me that if you are more than just a little tipsy, let's say 6-7 beers downed rapidly, it would be harder to get high off of smoked heroin. And before you confirm or deny this, I just want to say, my doc is no ordinary doctor; he specializes in medicine and drugs in particular and I have never ever met anyone who knew that much about drugs. I've read his book (title translated to 'The biology of drugs') several times. Enough bragging. Now the question:

Is there any truth to this? No, allow me to rephrase: How can this be true? And when I say 'harder to get high' it can mean many things. It could mean the heroin rush is harder to distinguish from the alcohol rush, it could mean the alcohol somehow block some of the opioid receptors, it could be that the alcohol already has released some of the dopamine/whatever that the heroin wants to release... As you've probably guessed, I'm looking for a biological explanation.

Thanks a lot!


P.s. the reason why I explicitly told you how much he knows about drugs is that many of you 'bitch' about your docs prescribing ridiculous amounts of bupe and that some docs just want to make money or have gained half their knowledge from the internet.
 
I don't take opiates or know a great deal about them but I'm certain mixing Heroin and alcohol is a very bad idea, I wouldn't be worry about whether it is going to have an effect on your high I'd just not be doing it so I didn't end up dead.

If your doctor didn't make this very very clear then he is incompetent IMO.
 
Agreed. In general, alcohol potentiates narcotics to a dangerous level. Your chance of overdose goes way up when mixing with alcohol.
 
Sounds like a semantics issue. Certainly the depressant effect would be amplified in combination with alcohol, though as mentioned, it may just be that he meant it's harder to differentiate the opiate high from the gaba high.

Gonna move this to Other Drugs, think it'll fit in there better.

BDD -> OD
 
I think nAON is spot on. atm23, please don't call my doctor incompetent, as I have a personal relationship with him and you don't know the first thing about him, plus you misunderstood my question. And I don't think I included in my original post that I was going to mix heroin with alcohol. Did I?

My answer has been answered 100% accurately and satisfactory by nAON, so I hope you (nAON) or another mod will close this thread before atm23 decides to reply a post that I will find offensive :) Last thing I need right now is my mood getting worse. But thank you all anyway.

Edit: I never said I was going to mix alcohol and opiates. I said I wanted a biological explanation. I'm not sure, but I don't think biological explanations can kill you ;)
 
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Hey man lets not fall out over nothin, I was concerned that you were talking about mixing Heroin with alcohol and that even I know thats a very bad idea.

What I said was that if your doctor hadn't mentioned this as part of a discussion on the subject then I thought that would be highly remiss of him, I didn't actually say he was incompetent as I don't know what he said during your conversation or what he may have said to you in the past.

No offense was intended, I apologise if any was caused, other people read this stuff and when I read your post it seemed to indicate that it was OK to down six beers then do Heroin, I'm sure you wouldn't want other people thinking that.

Lets not get all vexed over it, I'm not up for that either
 
I'd say it's the opposite, it's easier to get higher on smoked(or any ROA) heroin while drunk. Alcohol potentiates opiates A LOT. Maybe your doctor meant you'd get very sick mixing opiates with alcohol. I noticed many opiate addicts don't like to drink that much, although there are many who drink a lot.

Naltrexone(an opiate blocker) is used to treat alcoholism, maybe your doctors on to something. But IME drink 6-7 beers didn't block the heroin, it made it stronger(this is very dangerous).
 
Alcohol is known to dull down an opiate high. Alcohol is GABA-ergic, but also has other effects. It is a drug that is "dirty" and very "in your face". Opiates have a clean feel to them (most), and aren't really "in your face". The effects of alcohol will make the subtly of opiate euphoria harder to perceive. Combining opiates and alcohol is not a good idea, though, regardless. Alcohol depresses the CNS in a very general and systemic way, including depression of respiration. Opiates are notorious for producing respiratory depression. Even in low doses opiates tend to depress respiration to a degree, not a dangerous one, but a degree nonetheless. In higher doses opiates can depress respiration to a dangerous degree, and that is how most opiate od's happen.
 
Interesting subject for conversation with your doctor. Mine would surely be looking over the top of his glasses at me.....suspiciously. (JMO as obviously I wasn't there and don't know the context....but still...)
 
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