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Hallucinogen with no mind f**k

I tried 2c-c and it was less intense than 2c-i. I found the 2c-c still had a minor mind fuc* i was worried about walking down the street because there were people in the distance, however it was still less worrisome than 2c-i and LSD or others..
 
OT: none of the 4,5 dihalotryptamines show in Pubchem (not even 4-ho-5-meo-dmt) and none of the major journals have articles even remotely related to them (even in preprint). 5-bromotryptamine & 5-bromo-7-fluoro-T & methylated analogs are known though.

There is also no strong evidence for any sort of unusual binding of 4-ho-5-meo-dmt @ 5-HT2a as SAR studies just don't show it being "as active" as you'd expect (see: 4,5 mdo dmt).

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I would say 2C-B - Have tried doses up to 40-45mg and even there I had clear mind - Mind on Speed but wicked, intense visuals, but quite short-lived - 2-3 hours.
 
Sorry for trolling. I'll be back before the end of the long-count with important updates on soul-surfing. Bye.
 
so many nubs. I signed up just to say, like two other people mentioned, AMT is what you're looking for.

The danger with AMT, is you feel totally fine mentally, right up until you take too much and become delusional. You'll take 150mg and feel like you could easily do 300mg, when really 160mg would make you delusional.
Those numbers were just random, its different for every person, and there is no really good guidelines for dosing AMT as far as i know.

Never redose with AMT.

edit: with AMT, you'll be rushing hard, watching the sky melt into the ground and have almost totally normal thoughts.
 
Eh, IMO AMT has always struck me as a little on the dangerous side compared to other psychedelics or RCs. I recall reading of a half dozen or so stories that were fatal.. I have heard the mental effects are compared to MDMA.. if thats the case it sounds like candy flipping to me :)
 
AMT is one of my all-time fav's, but you gotta learn to work with it. I never go above 40mg.
But 4mg even gives me a powerful antidepressant (and even more) feeling for good 16hours.

as for the original post I'd say:

clearheaded phenethylamine: 25C-NBOMe @ 175 - 450mcg
tryptamine : 4HO-MET @ 12-25mg
 
treezy z said:
XTC_fiend you said dissociatives are most likely to cause paranoia and confusion. i completely dissagree, i think they are the only psychedelics that have anxiolytic effects other than empathogens. i was always able to go into a k, pcp, or dxm experience and have a good experience regardless of set and setting, whereas if i took acid when i was in in a bad mood or a bad setting i'd have have a bad trips.
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As far as K and DXM go for me, there definitely is some confusion once you reach doses high enough to put you in a hole. There might be some paranoia or anxiety for sure, but there is definitely a heavy element of sedation preventing you from really panicking.

I had a friend reach out and hold on to my hand when they went into a k-hole once. Was confusing to me at the time, but after she was out of it, she said "I felt like I had to hold on to something or I'd disappear... anchor myself to the real world".

She loved it, but still had that moment of anxiety in the midst of it.
 
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