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Hallucinogen with no mind f**k

If you try the kill yourself on 2C-E, sorry mate, stay away from the drugs...
 
XTC_fiend said:
i was watching spongebob and the sand fell through the tv and covered me to the point where i could not breathe.
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Never heard of anyone becoming suicidal on 2C-E, or locking themselves in the bathroom for 6 hours. And the above "experience"... well, things like this usually don't happen to real people on real psychedelics, although movies written by very creative writers who never tripped but imagine doing so often depict such things.
 
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^nope, I'm going to say that 20mg of 2C-E is certainly enough to have visions of sand suffocating oneself while watching spongebob on TV. I certainly had a vision of becoming a mushroom (and the associated body feelings of suffocation and moistness) while on a high dose of mushrooms. Couldn't determine what was real and what was not.

OP, if you don't like the effects of 2C-E I suggest you stay away from other psychedelic drugs. Try to remember that it's all in your head and it can't hurt you unless you choose to hurt yourself. What did you expect to happen when you take a high dose of a potent psychedelic?
 
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If you are weary of a heady trip than maybe you should wait to dip your toe in the psychedelic pond. Once you experiment enough, the headspace is really the most important part. If your're not thinking about what you're seeing, hearing, smelling you're just being a vegetable watching walls breathe. It loses interest real fast.

Non-heady psychs are really not entry level psychs for the inexperienced, the best way to have a starter experience is low-dose mushrooms. 1.5 grams tek'd, it's a very recreational dose with your head just under space.

I would also HIGHLY recommend NOT diving head first into RC's. They are very dose sensitive and little is know about the side-effects/long-term effects.
 
greenmeanies said:
^nope, I'm going to say that 20mg of 2C-E is certainly enough to have visions of sand suffocating oneself while watching spongebob on TV. I certainly had a vision of becoming a mushroom...
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OK, yeah I guess really anything could happen, I over-reacted; and it can be so hard to clearly verbalize certain states too.

And the rest of greenmeanies remarks, QFT.
 
I tried 2C-E for the first time the other day, 7.5mg.

I've done plenty of LSD and shrooms, love psychedelics immensely. They've never given me more than a passing moment of fear or anxiety.

At 7.5 I barely got any visuals except the classic words/images sliding around a bit from their location, some good tracers, and color enhancement. Only a slight mental trip.

However, I did get "startled" quite easily. It's was the weirdest thing for me, as I've never jumped so easily before, and no other drug has caused that reaction in me.

I'll be trying 15 next time I try it, but so far so good for me.
 
^^ 2C-X do have a certain strange alertness/stimulation that mushrooms/LSD/tryptamines do not appear to evoke. I once stupidly dosed ~8mg (iirc) of 2C-E before bed and found myself writing around in the blankets for hours as I hallucinated thousands of "tracers" of my own skin rubbing against the fibers... It was supremely enjoyable but I've learned my lesson about trying to take psyches before bed-- they don't help me achieve any kind of dream state, they just keep me awake and uncomforable. But on an occasion with 2C-T-7, I harnessed the energy into a totally mind-blowing self-exploratory session in the bathtub along with some bath salts [real salt, not cathinones] that happened to have menthol and camphor in them. Damn that was a good trip :)
 
I think anyone recommending anything other than not taking any psychedelics isn't really advocating harm reduction here. If you get suicidal on psychedelics, they aren't for you, or at least they certainly aren't worth the risk. 2c-e is most certainly a difficult experience for many, myself included - but for most of us, tackling our problems head on with the aid of 2c-e is a rough, but therapeutic ride, not a suicidal one.
 
Well in my experience, "low mind-fuck" is inversely proportional to how "interesting" the psychedelic is. Therefore, it is a trade-off between interesting and low-mindfuck as you have put it. Incidentally, I've fallen in love with DOC, which is quite mind-intense, but very interesting. I like depth to the psychedelic experience.
 
for me, at least, psychedelics are all about the mind fuck! maybe they're just not right for the OP.
maybe smoke some weed?
 
IamMe90 said:
I think anyone recommending anything other than not taking any psychedelics isn't really advocating harm reduction here. If you get suicidal on psychedelics, they aren't for you, or at least they certainly aren't worth the risk. 2c-e is most certainly a difficult experience for many, myself included - but for most of us, tackling our problems head on with the aid of 2c-e is a rough, but therapeutic ride, not a suicidal one.
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+1.. A friend of mine took some LSD and spent the evening on the side of the freeway waiting for traffic to come near enough for him to jump in front of a vehicle. Thank god the AM is so damn quiet in my neck of the woods; there were no cars passing in his direction that night. I will never again facilitate, advise, or otherwise endorse this particular friend to take psychedelics and will forever be more cautious about recommending them to anyone without getting to know them first.. Some people simply have too dark a perspective to be euphoric on psychedelics.
 
^ Excellent remark, all would be wise to heed it!

I always thought one of psychedelics' main mechanisms is to dissolve (temporarily or even permanently) internal psychologically defensive blocks & filters...HOWEVER, such blocks & filters DO naturally function to ameliorate the possible negative impact of difficult experiences/emotions on one's psyche. Hence psychedelics can be VERY risky for someone who has a lot of internal negativity originating either as memories of treatment or statements from others, or from their own inner turmoil or low self-esteem.
 
Last time I tripped at one point I was a merry-go-round made of plasticine
But if you know that kind of thing is possibly going to happen its fine its not real
It hhst wares off if you don't do anything daft in mean time
 
A hallucinogen with no mindfuk is no hallucinogen at all. "trippin" is an effect of hallucinogens. The drug you're lookin for is coffee. Or a visualizer of some kind on your computer. I recommend electric sheep !
 
Chemical Wizard said:
A hallucinogen with no mindfuk is no hallucinogen at all. "trippin" is an effect of hallucinogens. The drug you're lookin for is coffee. Or a visualizer of some kind on your computer. I recommend electric sheep !
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Well said! :D
 
Yeah I also wouldn't recommend psychedelics if you had that reaction. But if you are persistent and really wanted to trip again, I'd say low dose mushrooms (like 1-1.5 g's) or low dose 2c-I (like 10 mg's). Both of those doses are mostly giggly and silly trips with minor mindfuck. But as others have said ANYTHING can happen, so even low doses like that could send someone off their rocker.
 
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