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Hallucinogen psychosis?

dankplantgrower

dankplantgrower

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Hi all. I have heard of someone eating too much psilocybin/LSD and "never coming down" so to speak. Specifically, a coworker told me that some asshole heavily spiked the drink of a childhood friend with acid, something fairly excessive like 15+ hits. Apparently the poor guy went into a state of permanent delusion and stopped coming around.

This isnt the only instance Ive seen/heard. I also read somewhere about a guy eating too much amanita and becoming something like a vegetable. Rolled around in his trailer and shit, I could have sworn the source said the guy thought he was a worm or something.

This shit is obviously so rare as not to worry much. But Id like to know if any of you bluelighters have heard of, or personally known, someone to go off the deepend after taking too much acid/shrooms. These sound a little more serious than your garden variety HPPD symptoms. Ive known an e-tard, so Ive seen permanent drug damage first thing. Im just wondering if these stories are fairy tales like the "7 hits makes you insane," or actually exist with some prevalence. Thanks for reading and any input.
 
They call it perma-fried. I've heard of it but never witnessed it. I have an extensive history with LSD and I made it out. Not really too many flashbacks either.
 
There is no such thing as a permanent trip... the drug triggers a release in neurotransmitters and is eliminated from the body shortly after. People may act differently in social scenarios after taking a heavy dose of psychedelic because their values might be reevaluated but to call someone perma-fried is probably just a result of a communication barrier.
 
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Drugs can trigger illnesses like schizophrenia that would have otherwise lie dormant for years or decades, or so I'm told by my psych. I guess if it's undiagnosed and untreated yeah, perma-fried.

P.S. There is also something called drug-induced psychosis, a psychotic episode that can last a long time (days/weeks) when treated with anti-psychotics, and I'm speculating here but, even longer when not treated.
 
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Usually it's not the drug itself that causes it directly, but rather the way its interpreted - ie., if someone has a crazy bad trip, it could change their outlook on life or their personality, even if there's no physical effect from the drugs after the trip itself. And of course there's the possibility that it could unravel dormant psychological problems, though this itself I think is extremely rare, usually mental disorders take a long time to precipitate out, even with drug use.
 
A friend of a mate of a co worker of my dads buddy once told me that his wife's sister knew this kid who ....... (Fill in whatever BS you want).
 
^^^^ This.

Also, LSD is *mostly* metabolized and eliminated from the body within a few hours. The tryptamine psychedelics are the same way. Some of the most powerful psychedelics (DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenine) are already found in the brain, and/or are a metabolite of serotonin...which means they aren't even 'drugs.'
 
maybe its just me but i feel like ive known a handful of instances where people i know have been sent into long-lasting psychotic episodes as a result of a freaked trip. sure there are bad trips, but i mean psychosis that lasts for days to weeks.

after talking to some of these people they describe the experience as just one long bad trip--as in they never stopped tripping the whole time. it took a while for some of these people to get back to a reasonable social level, even with meds, and of course some never really did make it back.
 
Some people go into psychotic states when under duress; I don't see why LSD can't count as a stressor.

Food for thought: How many people do you know that may have been way too drunk one night but "never got sober"?
 
Traumatic trips can trigger ptsd and other related maladies. With psychosis though, chances are, they would have gone mad without the drugs, though it may have taken longer.
 
I had a psychosis that lasted a few weeks after taking DXM on a MDMA crash (don't do it!), and a couple months later a heavier psychosis that triggered itself out of thin air during a period of a weekly DXM habit (was taking no other psychs or drugs at all at that time, only dex alcohol caffeine and tobacco, well I might have done some pot occasionally). The DXM trip was becoming more and more paranoid and demented over hours, eventually setting into a lasting condition. This results in me still taking antipsychotics as a means of prevention, though my dosage thinned down significantly as it was already about 5 years ago. During those psychotic episodes I was completely "perma-fried", I had severe delusions, horrid voices in my head kept ordering me to do things etc.- they even diagnosed me w/ paranoid schizophrenia to later take it back and say it was "mere" drug-induced psychotic episodes.

So remember, drugs are both a treat & a threat to ur brain. :D
 
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sekio said:
How many people do you know that may have been way too drunk one night but "never got sober"?
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This is a pretty stupid post. And youre a moderator? 8)

We have at least 2 people in here personally relating about severe psychotic symptoms extending far beyond the duration of a normal trip. One of the posters even says he is on psych meds 5 years later because of a bad trip. Do you know of people who get drunk, developed PTSD because they got drunk, or have to take psych meds several years later because they got drunk? I fail to see the need for some of you folks to get sarcastic in discussions like this. You kids should go pollute another thread.

If 2 people in 11 posts have experience, surely others know more. Thank you to the people in this thread who actually contribute meaningful posts.
 
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Alexander Shulgin, thanks for participating. I understand your post, but perhaps it goes a little further than shifting life perspectives after a trip. Maybe it lies closer to your dormant issue suggestion, though Im wondering what it is about trip drugs that can cause psychologocial issues to surface in some people. Seems like even relatively small amounts of trip drug ( >ounce of shrooms or a few hundred micrograms of acid) can trigger life altering mental issues in rare cases.

Just inviting speculation here, what about an acid trip might invite stuff like PTSD? Dwelling on negative thoughts for several hours? Life realizations of a magnitude not known while sober? Cases of PTSD Ive known in real life seem to occur after exceedingly extreme events, like survivng horrific car wrecks, or watching your military brothers get maimed/killed first hand. Our little fun time chemicals are pretty damn powerful if they can induce these states whilst were merely sitting on our couches.
 
dankplantgrower said:
Alexander Shulgin, thanks for participating. I understand your post, but perhaps it goes a little further than shifting life perspectives after a trip. Maybe it lies closer to your dormant issue suggestion, though Im wondering what it is about trip drugs that can cause psychologocial issues to surface in some people. Seems like even relatively small amounts of trip drug ( >ounce of shrooms or a few hundred micrograms of acid) can trigger life altering mental issues in rare cases.

Just inviting speculation here, what about an acid trip might invite stuff like PTSD? Dwelling on negative thoughts for several hours? Life realizations of a magnitude not known while sober? Cases of PTSD Ive known in real life seem to occur after exceedingly extreme events, like survivng horrific car wrecks, or watching your military brothers get maimed/killed first hand. Our little fun time chemicals are pretty damn powerful if they can induce these states whilst were merely sitting on our couches.
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i think it has something to do with these people refusing to face or acknowledge certain parts of their personality, or subconscious. when we take psychedelics the lines between conscious and subconscious becomes exceedingly more blurry, as well as the boundaries of our individual egos and sometimes those issues will come up and must be faced. i think for some types of personalities this can be incredibly traumatizing. there are some people who just should not be put into this situation; i know plenty.
 
dankplantgrower said:
This is a pretty stupid post. And youre a moderator? 8)

We have at least 2 people in here personally relating about severe psychotic symptoms extending far beyond the duration of a normal trip. One of the posters even says he is on psych meds 5 years later because of a bad trip. Do you know of people who get drunk, developed PTSD because they got drunk, or have to take psych meds several years later because they got drunk? I fail to see the need for some of you folks to get sarcastic in discussions like this. You kids should go pollute another thread.

If 2 people in 11 posts have experience, surely others know more. Thank you to the people in this thread who actually contribute meaningful posts.
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What are you talking about?!

F10.5 alcohol:[2][3][4] Alcohol is a common cause of psychotic disorders or episodes, which may occur through acute intoxication, chronic alcoholism, withdrawal, exacerbation of existing disorders, or acute idiosyncratic reactions.[5] Research has shown that alcohol abuse causes an 8-fold increased risk of psychotic disorders in men and a 3 fold increased risk of psychotic disorders in women.[6][7] While the vast majority of cases are acute and resolve fairly quickly upon treatment and/or abstinence, they can occasionally become chronic and persistent.[5] Alcoholic psychosis is sometimes misdiagnosed as another mental illness such as schizophrenia.[8]

UTFSE (GOOGLE) before condescending your superiors! :p
 
dankplantgrower said:
Alexander Shulgin, thanks for participating. I understand your post, but perhaps it goes a little further than shifting life perspectives after a trip. Maybe it lies closer to your dormant issue suggestion, though Im wondering what it is about trip drugs that can cause psychologocial issues to surface in some people. Seems like even relatively small amounts of trip drug ( >ounce of shrooms or a few hundred micrograms of acid) can trigger life altering mental issues in rare cases.

Just inviting speculation here, what about an acid trip might invite stuff like PTSD? Dwelling on negative thoughts for several hours? Life realizations of a magnitude not known while sober? Cases of PTSD Ive known in real life seem to occur after exceedingly extreme events, like survivng horrific car wrecks, or watching your military brothers get maimed/killed first hand. Our little fun time chemicals are pretty damn powerful if they can induce these states whilst were merely sitting on our couches.
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Bad trips can be extremely horrific for those who are unfortunate enough to have them. A bad trip can manifest itself in many ways. A lot of people claim that bad trips simply come from people taking the drug with the wrong set/setting or being forced to confront a personal problem, and that bad trips will always be beneficial in the end because the tripper is forced to work through the issues. This may be the case for most bad trips, but not all. Some bad trips arise spontaneously and can be extremely traumatic - yes even bad enough to cause lasting psychological damage.. Fortunately, I have never experienced anything like this myself, but you can find plenty of reports.
 
It probably is no different than getting a bed bug infestation or crashing a car and suffering lasting traumatic psychological stress because of it, i wouldn't go near blaming the chemical. It's just the swiss cheese model that may present itself any time.
 
i got psychosis from doing too much LSD. i was at a party and did 1 tab and then bought 3 drops from a hippie but she must of given me atleast 30 hits of acid by accident and within 20 minutes i blacked out for 6 hours in an underground rave in london and then 'woke up' on london bridge. i had very bad psychosis i thought i had gone back in time and i thought i died and was put in a parrallel universe. i also had the worst comedown ever i felt so depressed i thought i had lost my mind. it took like 5 months to recover. i've had plenty other cases of psychosis. always from too much acid or too much 2-ce
 
Crashing said:
There is no such thing as a permanent trip... the drug triggers a release in neurotransmitters and is eliminated from the body shortly after. People may act differently in social scenarios after taking a heavy dose of psychedelic because their values might be reevaluated but to call someone perma-fried is probably just a result of a communication barrier.
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There most certainly is such a thing as a permanent trip, I personally experience one. It's been quite some time, and it may not be permanent and may get better with time. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I have constant visuals - Persian rug type patterning, colorful - also have tracers, etc. I do not just have visual effects, my mind is in overdrive in constant metaphor mode - receiving double meanings and metaphors almost immediately after experiencing/thinking something with no delay as if my subconscious provides them automatically - much in the same way as on an LSD trip. I also get the giggles from time to time when reflecting on my self. This began after a 3 month binge on LSD. I pretty much feel like I am on a low-dose ~75ug of LSD at all times. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad.
 
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