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Who is becoming hallucinogen dependent soon after hallucinogen use starts?
Andrea L. Stone, Megan S. O’Brien, Alejandro De La Torre and James C. Anthony
Drug and Alcohol Dependence, In Press, Corrected Proof, Available online 20 September 2006

This study, based upon epidemiological survey data from the United States (U.S.) National Household Surveys on Drug Abuse (NHSDA) from 2000 to 2001, presents new estimates for the risk of developing a hallucinogen dependence syndrome within 24 months after first use of any hallucinogen (median elapsed time approximately 12 months). Subgroup variations in risk of becoming hallucinogen dependent also are explored. Estimates are derived from the NHSDA representative samples of non-institutionalized U.S. residents ages 12 and older (n=114,241). A total of 2035 respondents had used hallucinogens for the first time within 24 months prior to assessment. An estimated 2-3% of these recent-onset hallucinogen users had become dependent on hallucinogens, according to the NHSDA DSM-IV computerized diagnostic algorithm. Controlling for sociodemographic and other drug use covariates, very early first use of hallucinogens (age 10-11 years) is associated with increased risk of hallucinogen dependence (p<0.01). Excess risk of developing hallucinogen dependence was found in association with recent-onset use of mescaline; excess risk also was found for recent-onset users of ecstasy and of PCP. This study's evidence is consistent with prior evidence on a tangible but quite infrequent dependence syndrome soon after the start of hallucinogen use; it offers leads that can be confirmed or disconfirmed in future investigations.

Full text: https://rikki.fi/tajkor/bl/Who_is_b...endent_soon_after_hallucinogen_use_starts.pdf
 
this sort of study says more about those who become dependent than about the nature of hallucinogens. it saddens me that legislators might use such studies as an excuse to ban this type of drugs, referring to their "high potential for abuse" . Hmmm...
 
how do they define dependence?

edit: found answer in study, they use DSM-IV's definition for 'hallucinogen dependence'
 
I can't for the life of me fathom how one would become "dependent" on hallucinogens... anyone experience this and can explain it?
 
I believe I had a dependancy on hallucinogens a few years back. I find the state of "tripping" as a rediscovery of all my senses and body.

There are certainties we take for granted, like I know how my cell phone will feel when I pick it up, what sand paper will feel like when I brush my hand against it. When I trip I relearn these certainties, and enter a world where everything feels new, looks new, sounds new, like an adventure and in that way it brings pleasure.

And when I am not tripping, everything becomes dull, mundane, and uninteresting, and I seek to be tripping for longer and more often. I'm not satisfied with the duration of most hallucinogens, LSD is still too short in duration for me. It's like a world I don't want to leave. I have yet to try any DOx compounds and other long lasting hallucinogens.
 
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Ximot said:
this sort of study says more about those who become dependent than about the nature of hallucinogens. it saddens me that legislators might use such studies as an excuse to ban this type of drugs, referring to their "high potential for abuse" . Hmmm...
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I wanted to translate this into english. It's something I have written in IRC. It might explain something about the personality of a hallucinogen and ketamine dependent.

My IRC-nick is poniuralmania.

So this is the translation:


20.11.06 03:45 <poniuralmania> http://www.last.fm/user/poniuralmania/journal/2006/11/20/271366/
20.11.06 07:04 <poniuralmania> don't smoke. win a minute to add to your life. suicide machines for sale.
20.11.06 11:16 <poniuralmania> damn it seems like I can't afford to live satisfying life :/
20.11.06 11:51 <poniuralmania> you can make it feel like worth it with daily use of ketamine and psychedelics, I don't know any other way
20.11.06 13:31 <poniuralmania> http://trippi.info/psyvault/viewtopic.php?p=11985#11985 (that's a finnish forum, so I'll translate my message too:


My nick in there is CharlieBigPpotato:

CharlieBigPpotato said:
CharlieBigPpotato said:
You can understand something about perspective by using ketamine.
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By taking a large dose of psychedelic drug with a large dose of ketamine you can feel for a moment your ego melting totally away.
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Finally, the insanity of the internet has penetrated the Bluelight forums.
 
Gog said:
I can't for the life of me fathom how one would become "dependent" on hallucinogens... anyone experience this and can explain it?
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LSD is the only drug i've ever gotten addicted to and needed everyday for years...even though it isn't addictive
i took it when i woke up, to.
it kept me in a state of clarity or grace, like a zen monk; extremely seductive. yet i knew that state was not genuine beecause it required something from the exterior to maintain.
when i finally ran out, it was devestating...a fall from grace; even if it was a false grace i feel from.
btw, not an addiction for which there is much of a support group. in fact, nobody would have even beelieved it, much less helped me thru it.

my experiment with daily acid was most unusual, and was accompanied by a life-style and enviornment that promoted or permitted a sense of wonder. it took more than a month to 'obtain' a state that was steady; it was alot like the afterglow of a powerful trip; when the nuerotic wrestling ,match in the head is over. it was like running out of crazy fears thru sheer hammering and staying in the woods, as to avoid picking up much fresh mental distress. it was a plateau; the opposite of awkward or frightening.
it was much better than heroin.
which is why i got addicted.

-copy-paste from http://trippi.info/psyvault/viewtopic.php?t=631
 
I read that there's a forecast for AcidRain... to shut up, that is.
 
I was a bit puzzled by this idea (2-3% became "depandant"?) until I downloaded the PDF and saw that MDMA was included among the "hallucinogens" studied.
 
I don't believe MDMA is a hallucinogen. I mean, it can be trippy, so can anything. Seriously.
 
LSD is the only drug i've ever gotten addicted to and needed everyday for years...even though it isn't addictive
i took it when i woke up, to.
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Well I hate to burst the bubble, but because of tolerance build up, the main thing that daily LSD would do would be to act as an antidepressant (low daily dosage seems to produce antidepressant effects in people who took part in studies in the 60's). As such maybe your 'state of grace' was actually relief from depression, I've suffered from enough depressive states in my life to know how amazing it is when the depression is lifted. Rather than run the risk of compounding any other psychiatric conditions (LSD unmasked my latent manic-depression), try considering an accepted (by tthe medical profession) antidepressant; they're not the soul destroyiing drug that some people think they are, not if you suffer from cruppling depression.

Although I do not like them (because of the effect on libido), maybe one of the serotonogic antidepressants might be most helpful
 
That's if you're really, really depressed though. I mean, I'm "depressed", in the sense that my life isn't what I'd like it to be, but that seems a bad reason to start popping pills. Unless they're the "cool" addictive ones, of course :D
 
Shit guys. I just realized something. I have developed guitar-dependance. I started playing, and then I just couldn't stop. Since that time I've played guitar thousands of times. Shit guys, I guess I'm addicted.

What kind of bullshit study is this. There is physiological dependance and psychological dependance. Most psychedelics produce absolutely no physiological dependance. Psychological dependance is simply a repeated activity due to the fact that it is liked and enjoyable. If a study finds that people are becoming "addicted" to LSD and mescaline, it is simply because they like the experience, just the same as someone likes to play an instrument, go swimming, skateboard, race cars, etc, not because of some ominous dependance on a malicious drug that plans to steal away your life.
This study is cockshit.
 
I've argued with a pothead friend of mine that there is IS psychological vs. physical addiction, but he denied it, saying it's all one thing. So... playing with a ball of yarn is the same as injecting fentanyl into your ass every hour?
 
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