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Kratom H to Kratom

Las Veghost grower said:
This thread isn’t about getting high, it’s about comming off H and any serious habit leaf won’t do much if anything, your gonna need an extract or be willing to throw back an oz+ of powder , yea I’ll take the extract
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I found any more than a heaping tablespoon at a time leaves you not feeling so good , maybe if you dose a tablespoon every hour or so that might be better but i never tried that though, i tried every 4 hours and was fine
 
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plumbus-nine said:
Granted, chugging down all the powder isn't the prettiest task to do but I remember somebody here on BL who had a 100g/day habit of kratom leaves.

Extracts might be the first step in switching from H to kratom, but I'm not sure if they can aid you more or just limit the amount of powder one has to swallow. Also usually they're more expensive.

My recommendation would be to utilize the whole arsenal of options instead of relying on just kratom when leaves are too weak to cut it. Use pregabalin/gabapentinoids, ultra-low dose naltrexone, supplements like black seed oil (two options I havent tried yet but I keep reading good stuff about them) to reduce withdrawal intensity and/or NMDA receptor antagonists aka dissociatives like memantine (the best because most clean one) and last but not least loperamide against the diarrhea.

I was on 600mg morphine per day, tapered down to 120mg with pregabalin and memantine, then megadosed the memantine and could kick it without any mayor suffering.
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Well that’s all well n good if you can get those meds, but some people have to work with what they can get at the store no prescription…in that case if you have a big habit a extract is hands down the way to go…if you can get a script I would say get some tramadol and use the for 3-4 days then switch to kratom then make the jump with a couple benzos
 
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Just a little pinprick said:
I found any more than a heaping tablespoon at a time leaves you not feeling so good , maybe if you dose a tablespoon every hour or so that might be better but i never tried that though, if tried every 4 hours and was fine
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Well yea that’s kind of the trade off you make with kratom, get rid of the anxiety RLS runny nose yawning ect, but in return get a bit of a dizzy headache, it’s a trade Iv been willing to make more than once
 
The worst part of wd for me was the feeling like you want to jump out of your skin, which only happens during BAD wd, and kratom extract one of the only OTC things to help that Iv found so far
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Till 12 years ago there was no Kratom indigenous to Bali. Red Bali is actually red Borneo or something entirely else.
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I only started kratom within the past year, and this is the only name I know it by from the company I deal with ,the other strains were too speedy for me, being amped up a little is not what I want when getting rid of a chippy
 
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Just a little pinprick said:
I only started kratom within the past year, and this is the only name I know it by from the company I deal with ,the other strains were too speedy for me, being amped up a little is not what I want when getting rid of a chippy
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All Kratom is amped up to a degree. But as far a painkilling properties and sedation. Go for Red Borneo with or without Green Malay.

It won't keep you awake like an stimulant. They are more general tonic's energizing when needed and sedating when needed.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
All Kratom is amped up to a degree. But as far a painkilling properties and sedation. Go for Red Borneo with or without Green Malay.

It won't keep you awake like an stimulant. They are more general tonic's energizing when needed and sedating when needed.
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That green malay was tossed right in the trash after i tried it once , its too speedy which i guess you enjoy since your recommend it but its nothing like red bali, red bali is not speedy at all , perhaps give it a try…
The last thing in the world someone in withdrawal needs is something that puts you on edge , all that does is make you feel worse…
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Just a little pinprick said:
That green malay was tossed right in the trash after i tried it once , its too speedy which i guess you enjoy since your recommend it but its nothing like red bali, red bali is not speedy at all , perhaps give it a try…
The last thing in the world someone in withdrawal needs is something that puts you on edge , all that does is make you feel worse…
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As far as I know all 'so called' Bali is actually Borneo. The red vein variety. But Green Malay is certainly more stimulating but not near the whites or Thai variants.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
As far as I know all 'so called' Bali is actually Borneo. The red vein variety. But Green Malay is certainly more stimulating but not near the whites or Thai variants.
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So why recommend green ? To me thats passing along bad information which will make him feel worse…

I did a shot of coke once while in full blown withdrawal and it magnified the withdrawal symptoms x10..i never tried meth/speed cause im a dopefiend , any upper except IV coke aint my thing

Call it what you want but its Red Bali to me and what it was called 12 yrs ago dont mean squat, sorry to but it that way but its just how it is…
 
Just a little pinprick said:
So why recommend green ? To me thats passing along bad information which will make him feel worse…

I did a shot of coke once while in full blown withdrawal and it magnified the withdrawal symptoms x10..i never tried meth/speed cause im a dopefiend , any upper except IV coke aint my thing

Call it what you want but its Red Bali to me and what it was called 12 yrs ago dont mean squat, sorry to but it that way but its just how it is…
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Green Malay is as good as well as Red Borneo. Iv-ing Coke is not, but you probably know.
 
There is no need to eat the powder. Here's what will work for you. How to make Kratom tea:

8 oz or 250 mL of water
Add 2 oz of lemon juice
Microwave for 2.5 minutes, careful it will be boiling.
Add 10-15 grams of kratom powder to boiling water and stir occasionally for 10-15 minutes
Filter the water with a rag or old t-shirt (I use a cloth napkin) squeezing out as much as you can.
Drink half and see how you feel, drink the other half if you need to. You should feel the effects in 5 minutes on an empty stomach.

I try to drink as quick as possible with a chaser.

The effects will last 4-5 hrs.
 
Yeah, Kratom tea works as well and tastes much better. I just wasn't sure if and how much potency goes lost with this route, so I switched to toss n wash but I consider doing tea again.
 
Yea tea taste like straight ass, choking tea back with in wd is like self torture ….and since mitragynine isn’t very water soluble I imagine you lose alot
 
Just a little pinprick said:
So why recommend green ? To me thats passing along bad information which will make him feel worse…

I did a shot of coke once while in full blown withdrawal and it magnified the withdrawal symptoms x10..i never tried meth/speed cause im a dopefiend , any upper except IV coke aint my thing

Call it what you want but its Red Bali to me and what it was called 12 yrs ago dont mean squat, sorry to but it that way but its just how it is…
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'Him' could have an diff chemistry.

And for you personally if Kratom doesn't cut it your just to deep in. Into Opiod's. Sit it out and use Kratom as some sort of cushion i guess.
 
Just a little pinprick said:
Whatever dude,now your just being annoying
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Annoying in my verticubalary is plaint teasing. so you are either trolling me or misconcepting me.

'Him' was no more then a SWIM which is forbidden. I couldbe wrong though. And for him or her personally if Kratom isn't cautting it sitting it out is my best advise. But it will help

Are you just a just a troll or ingnorant?
 
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