H dose for someone with little tolerance to opiates?

[onlyone3232]

Im from Australia & might be getting $50 of h soon. Im assuming it'll be 0.1 grams. I'll be getting someone to IV it for me if im gunna do it.
ive had it before but it's been really shit quality.

I regualy take 400mg of codeine which has almost no effect.
I can get away with chewing 120mg of Oxycontin before it makes me nauseas. I could probably handle alot less IR OC because ive noticed that even chewing it really well isn't effective as the IR.

I dont wanna OD or anything. & I don't partially even wanna get the the point where i have to throw up.
for someone with the tolerance i have do u think it would be to much?

like i said before even though i rarely have oxy & can handle it pretty well. 80mg I can easily handle with absolutely no nausea.

I know heroin varies in potency but im sure theres an approx average amount in a bag & im just wondering about how much oxy it would be equal to taking?

I probably wont have any valium on me that day but i can over 100mg with almost no effect. if I have valium what would safely be recommended. im thinking half the usual dose?
Is there a general rule when mixing benzos & h with dosage?

Ive got some white grape fruit juice left over too. ive got it for when i have valium. im not sure about whether it effects the strength of h

 

[FlippingTop]

I can't help youas I have never tried heroin, but maybe another ROA if you are hell bent on doing H would be a better idea. Maybe smoking it off some foil would be a little safer and easier to gauge the effects from it?

 

[onlyone3232]

Ive smoked it before & snorted it. but not very many times. I think i must have only had bad quality stuff before because im yet to get a decent effect.
I seem to have a natural tolerance to all downers for some reason accept pot which i dont really smoke anymore.
it'll be IV if im gunna do it. i dont wanna waste it. & I wanna get a bit of an experience of the rush. (I know, I know, recipe for addiction)
Ive IVed meth before. Ive done meth plenty of times & IVing it is overated. Ive got higher from ingesting a larger amount. I also never had an addiction. I dont really see how ppl find it addictive. the come-down was always enough to scare me away from it for a while.
I was told I can also get speed but i told him i dont wanna cuz of how crap it makes me feel the next few days. i might not ever do it again after the after effects i had last time i did it & i was mixing it with alcohol too so twice the hangover
Ive shot Oxy (I know that was a bad idea, thanks to BL Ive read that the benefits dont out weight the ricks especially with the pill binders)
Im also unsure whether to cook it first. I think I'll just let it dissolve in warm water. I dont wanna IV the cuts.
there was a thread about this & it seems its undecided which is the best method. some say cooking it kills some of the bacteria.
Does it dissolve straight away or do ya need to stir it & let it sit for a minute.

 

[Sepher]

For someone with little tolerance I would strongly recommend you do no more than a dose equivalent to 10mg pharmaceutical diamorphine. You will have to do some research as to what average purity of Heroin in your area is likely to be and calculate from there, erring on the side of caution. e.g. if purity is in range 30-50% on average assume it's at least 50%, so do 20mg max of it to give you a 10mg dose diamorphine. 20mg pure diamorphine IV is enough to kill an opiate naive individual. Treat with extreme caution. You can always do a second hit if the first turns out to have little effect.

 

[Anon54]

u should probably start with no more than half a bag if u must shoot it. If it's pure that should equal around 160mg of oxy. The valium will also potentiate its effects so be careful I think generally when ppl mix opiates & benzos it's a good idea to 2/3 the amount of ya usual dose of each to get the desired effect. Thats when ya got a tolerance to both drugs but wanna mix em.
as u dont have a tolerance to heroin & dont really want a combo. just take a small dose of valium if u need to take it
it's actually advised that whenever u get a new batch of h u smoke it or snort it just to get a feel for it before ya IV. once ya used to the batches ya getting u can dose all at once to get a good high going

 

[Sepher]

You won't know much about a Heroin OD. You'll either go over immediately in a matter of seconds as the rush hits with a high dose, or it will creep up on you if you're borderline. Either way you won't really know it's coming, or if you do you won't be able to do much about. You just nod out into unconsciousness, then your breathing stops. If you're determined to experiment with IV you should have someone with you that you trust to call you an ambulance and keep you alive with CPR till the paramedics get there with the Narcan should the worst happen. Trust me, as someone's who had to do that for someone having been the one that shot them up short of your own imminent death watching someone die in front of you cos of something you've done is the scariest thing that will ever happen to you.

As for your tolerance, it is impossible to extrapolate from that. Noone can really say with any certainty how much more gear you could use given previous use of other opiates using other ROAs. You'll just have to trial and error the dose, starting with next to nothing to test effects.

 

[onlyone3232]

GFJ obviously wont potentiate the h cuz im not taking it orally.... obviously.
I'll just start with half a bag i think. & let my mate do it first.
i'll take like 1/3 of my regular valium dose too if i have any.

how long after I take the first shot should it be safe to take the 2nd shot?

 

[Sepher]

You'll probably be ok with half of a 0.1g bag, yeah. If it's around typical 30% pure that gives you 15mg diamorphine, but you could be borderline / in trouble if you score something stupidly pure, or turn out to be unusually sensitive, unlikely as that is. Half-life of morphine can be anywhere between 2 and 7 hours depending on your metabolism so as far as doing another shot goes you're just gonna have to see where you're at. Remember that a second dose within a few hours of the first then gives you a total dose in your system of 2nd dose plus half of 1st or thereabouts, so allow for that.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Once you start with the needle, you wont like getting high any other way.........or I should say, the other ROA wont get you where you wanna be............good luck!

 

[verso]

I'm not sure what the gear is like in Australia. Does anyone know what the gear is over there? I know that we get #4 over here on the east coast, and I'm pretty sure that #4 isn't so common in other parts of the world, so it's probably what, then, #3?

I have no experience at all with #3, so I'm not sure how you should prepare it or what ROA would be best. I wouldn't recommend IVing it, of course, for the reason that TLB gave; you just won't want to take it any other way and while that may not seem like all that big a deal, well... it kind of sucks.

I will say this, though: no matter what you decide to do, how much you decide to use or by whatever roa, you should definitely, definitely have someone with you when you do this. I can't stress this enough because when the lights turn out on you, if they turn out on you, then you're going to want someone there who will not hesitate to call for help. I had a friend overdose in front of me, and we had no idea that he was unconscious until I got off of the phone with my mother. He wasn't breathing, and his lips were turning blue. Had we waited any longer, I'm not sure he would be with us today, and that's really, really scary.

So please, please have someone with you when you do this. I can't stress this enough.

 

[onlyone3232]

i dunno which number h it is id have to look it up but its not tar. its the powder shit u dont have to cook up.
I'll be getting a guy to give me the shot as ive only IVed a few times so i'll be with someone.
ive IVed oxy before too which i now know is a bad idea. i even cooked it up because thats how everyone ive met has done it before which is even worse. luckily im ok.
Ive also IVed meth before like i said before.
Ive IVed heroin before but it has been bad quality. this should be a new batch so it might be good.
im uncertain as to weather its a good idea to cook it up first as the opinions seem to be divided with that. i'll probably just do what he does.

Im also curious if he gives me a shot & I OD could he get in any trouble for that?

 

[Violenza666]

I can snort 4+ Opana 40's back to back with a stomach full of oxy.... Now 2 months ago I snorted 2 0.1g and it rocked my socks... I have access to high quality H though. Maybe try snorting it too... with 120mg tolerance of oxy a point of smack will just piss you off.

 

[onlyone3232]

You won't know much about a Heroin OD. You'll either go over immediately in a matter of seconds as the rush hits with a high dose, or it will creep up on you if you're borderline. Either way you won't really know it's coming, or if you do you won't be able to do much about. You just nod out into unconsciousness, then your breathing stops. If you're determined to experiment with IV you should have someone with you that you trust to call you an ambulance and keep you alive with CPR till the paramedics get there with the Narcan should the worst happen. Trust me, as someone's who had to do that for someone having been the one that shot them up short of your own imminent death watching someone die in front of you cos of something you've done is the scariest thing that will ever happen to you.

As for your tolerance, it is impossible to extrapolate from that. Noone can really say with any certainty how much more gear you could use given previous use of other opiates using other ROAs. You'll just have to trial and error the dose, starting with next to nothing to test effects.

so it wouldnt be an uncomfortable way of going atleast
Id prefer that than ODing on meth or something.
I think I'll be OK if it is %50 pure & I have half a bag that'll be the same as 80mg oxy

 

[onlyone3232]

i edited this post out i had a heap of different sources regarding LD50 of heroin but I think I found a reliable source www.wikipedia.org

Some sources quote the median lethal dose (for an average 75 kg opiate-naive individual) as being between 75 and 375 mg.

 

[onlyone3232]

i just found out the ld50 of oxy actually is 55mg. i dunno how they get this info.
i just dont beleive it

valium seems alot safer ld50 of diazepam is 720mg/kg in mice and 1240mg/kg in rats

so say it's 1000mg/kg in humans. that's 75g or 15,000 5mg tablets. (& they're the stronger tablets they prescribe here)

so im not really concerned about ODing on valium

 

[onlyone3232]

I forget what it's called but there's a name for it where ppl just inject by putting the needle just under the skin. it's not suppose to be as strong as IV. Does anyone know what im talking about?
& does anyone know it's bio bio-availability?

 

[Sepher]

Some sources quote the median lethal dose (for an average 75 kg opiate-naive individual) as being between 75 and 375 mg.

By what ROA? Not IV I would hazard an educated guess. I have seen doses as low as 15mg given as LD50 for IV diamorpine.

Im also curious if he gives me a shot & I OD could he get in any trouble for that?

Yes, of course, absolutely. I'm no lawyer but I believe Australian law is similar to UK law in this respect: the person who administers an OD resulting in someone's death would almost certainly face a charge of involuntary manslaughter or its equivalent. If you survive an OD it pretty much depends if the paramedics decide to involve the cops. You might get away with it.

I forget what it's called but there's a name for it where ppl just inject by putting the needle just under the skin. it's not suppose to be as strong as IV. Does anyone know what im talking about?does anyone know it's bio bio-availability?

You mean IM / intramuscular. From this thread: Bioavailability IM is 85%. You can IM heroin if it is the HCL kind commonly referred to as China White. i.e. soluble in water without the use of an acid. Freebase Heroin which requires heat and acid to dissolve should never be IMed. It can cause abscesses.

 

[Anon54]

^^ no it wasnt Im. its was something refering to as skin popping or something like that where u put the needle just under the skin & get its in blook but no a vein

 

[Pjkt2501]

The ONLY thing to be said about testing the purity of heroin, is to start small and slowly titrate the dose up until desired effects are felt.

There is NO WAY for someone over the internet to tell you how to take it, how much to take, and definitely not how much you have in total.

 

[Sepher]

^^ no it wasnt Im. its was something refering to as skin popping or something like that where u put the needle just under the skin & get its in blook but no a vein

Same thing, only difference is how deep you go with the needle. I've not bothered checking this but believe bioavailability to be the same whether it's subcutaneous or intramuscular. Same process of absorption.