Gyno Help Please ??

Cheers man....but holy fuck that article is waaaaaaaaay to much for my brain to handle today lol
 
Neoprimitive said:
Benzo stick to the letro. Caber at this point for you is not the right choice, little too much for the job mate. Keep to the letro its the right tool for the job at the moment.

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GF- The study you sent me and some subsequent reading of the sites there in have made me restructure my estrogen control and rethink the addition of prolactin controls unless the dosages of my 19Nors are above 500mg/week for prolonged periods, or unless there are several of them in a cycle. Great read brother thanks for the science.
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Hope you can both now see the reasoning regards my negative comments on the existence of Tren-gyno....

Neo.. your book came today Biochemical Physiological & Molecular Aspects of Human Nutrition... Thanks, looks a great read, very in-depth my kinda book..lol

I'd recommend another Goodman & Gilmans Manual of Pharmacology & Therapeutics.. had it recommended by a Uni friend, its also available as a PDF free download...
 
You guys led me to believe it was Prolactin ?? Mate these lumps are getting bigger and harder and FAST !!
These feel like tumours this is no milky titties this is fucking dodgy.
 
If youre truly worried then go to the doctor. It's not like we can fully examine them and tell you what they are. All we can give you is speculation.
 
GF thanks mate. Ill see if I can snag it. And the paper made sense but the sites he used made even more sense from a big picture sense. Shows what you believe can shift, especially with continuing study.

Benzo - Sorry mate. Fact is its not likely from the research I have been doing as of now, thanks to GF's due diligence on the medical end. Letro should help of they are getting worse it see a doctor. We can only speculate, there could be an underlying issue at foot here. Or you could be in the small minority where prolactin could be a factor but fact is you need to get some labs done. Then go from there with a more focused approach.
 
Cheers lads startin the Letro then gna hope for the best just got a bit stressed earlier lol hench the rant, Dr is a last resort cos my back is done in with nerve damage and muscle spasms and I know they'll blame it on the roids straight away.
 
This is true mate. Drs take the route of easiest BS. Most of them are either woefully under-informed or working on info from when they where trained with last time they were in school, so that can be decades in some cases. It is a shame that most Drs see fit to not stay as up to date and informed as possible. The letro should sort you out mate, just stick with it. Good luck!
 
I spoke to a consultant about growth hormone in the hospital and she was bedazzled, she said yeah but these thing's haven't been tested and stuff, because I told her the NHS was bullshit and in America thousands of people are getting healed be HGH peptides , IAGH etc

Had no idea what I was talking about.
 
I spoke to a consultant about growth hormone in the hospital and she was bedazzled, she said yeah but these thing's haven't been tested and stuff, because I told her the NHS was bullshit and in America thousands of people are getting healed be HGH peptides , IAGH etc

Had no idea what I was talking about.
 
LOL lot of Drs here don't know about proper usage of HGH in a medical setting. Still a few decades behind the science lol. Last time i had knee surgery I was prescribed HGH only after I brow beat my Dr, and paid for the damn stuff my self lol. Helped shorten the recovery period from a complete knee replacement by a few months, though i was running AAS as well but the combo shortened recovery by a damn sight. You have to push fro your rights with Drs and be better informed then them, about your disease or disability you are your own best advocate.
 
Yeah it's definitely something I plan on running to try and heal my back, after MRI's , bloods, hundreds of appointments, the best they came up with is Gabapentin !

I'm gna do my homework and build a stack and run it for hopefully about a year, need to do a lot of reading up on every single peptide , dosages e.t.c. to find out what's best for me, I hear good things about TB500 and HGH Fragment as well as Somatropin but I am not totally clued up so a good bit of homework then I'm gona make a plan and make it happen , it's my only shot at fixing myself.
 
benzoman12345 said:
You guys led me to believe it was Prolactin ?? Mate these lumps are getting bigger and harder and FAST !!
These feel like tumours this is no milky titties this is fucking dodgy.
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Hey Benzo..... I've finally got word back from someone more versed in gyno control than I am...

What he is saying: Taper up to 2mg of Letro over a few days stay on 2mg until lumps reduce to satisfactory levels or a maximum of 2 weeks. Taper out over a couple of days, then run nolva 20mg or adex 0.5mg/day for a couple of weeks to avoid rebound.... maybe taper off those too....
 
trozzle said:
Anecdotal evidence for ya: I've been blasting/cruising since beginning of the year. Have been on an AI since the very beginning with no off-time. Currently in week 4 of a trenbolone blast (420mg/wk) and have started developing gyno early last week (puffy and sore nipples, some random hard lumps n shit lol). Hadn't been taking any prolactin control (though haven't in the past either). The only thing that's changed and could be causing the gyno is the tren, unless it's just a mad coincidence and somehow my usual 12.5mg EOD of Aromasin is no longer doing what it should be.
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I've had a word with a M8' regards your question..

This is his response:

Could be a number of things which all pretty much have the same outcome and require the same course of action:
1. The aromasin is bunk
2. The aromasin isnt strong enough to reduce estrogen to low enough levels
3. His body has adjusted to the aromasin. Ive read about aromatase inhibitors actually up-regulating aromatase and/or estrogen receptor expression. This happens because estrogen signalling is reduced and so cells up-regulate aromatase production to try and maintain function. So after chronic use you need to increase the dosage or come from a different angle. Has he also increased test dosage? That could explain it. This sort of thing happens in dependency with recreational drugs. Ive also read some stuff regarding differential effects on estrone/estradiol and how some AIs reduce one but not the other.
So my recommendation would be to either increase the dosage of aromasin, switch to letrozole or tamoxifen. Then next time maybe skip the prophylactic aromasin and only start a week or two before starting his blast.
Estrogen works in an autocrine fashion as well which lends credence to the above regarding aromatase or ER upregulation.....

Hope that helps explain things.....
 
Just for the record Genetic Freak should be a MOD on here, always going out ur way to help people doing tons of research for others, you pop in at every other thread doing it, that's mod material mate ;)

Why does no-one ever consider running several AI's / Anti-E's stacked together, like Letro AND Aromasin ....
 
benzoman12345 said:
Just for the record Genetic Freak should be a MOD on here, always going out ur way to help people doing tons of research for others, you pop in at every other thread doing it, that's mod material mate ;)

Why does no-one ever consider running several AI's / Anti-E's stacked together, like Letro AND Aromasin ....
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Always nice to be appreciated.. lol

Running two AI's side by side would be pointless IMO, they target aromatase inhibition with varying degrees of potency, either as suicidal or non-suicidal, choosing one for your particular circumstances should be sufficient..
Running a SERM like nolva along side an AI is not generally advised as the SERM could reduce the effectiveness of the AI...
 
Got my Letro today Alpha-Pharma 2.5mg 30 tabs, and that's me took the 1st one this morning so let's see how things are in 30 days, fingers crossed, peace of mind just popping one lol
 
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