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Guns/Weapons Discussion
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dialated665
Bluelighter
I have a Spud Gun... made outta PVC pipe... it shoots full potatoes !
And also Tooheys Extra Dry Stubbies Fit down the barrel pefect !
the propellent its any type of aresol... usually WD-40 or CRC, deoderent works good too !
Its such a laugh when we go camping and take the spud gun out and let it rip.. shoot it straight up in the air and try and catch the spud !
As for real guns.. well i grew up with guns, Use to be in the Rifle Club, and compertition shoot ! Was really good at it too ! but i grew up and lost interest !
I dont like Handguns.. i think there crap ! there more the weapon of choice for a killer, or a crime !
But Rifles are a tru engeneering brilliance ! yea i guess ya can saw off the barrel and presto smaller and consealable !
And i guess a Rifle would be good to knock pplz off at longer range !
But if i was evar to own a Firearm, it would be a Rifle !
Peace Out
Dialated665
And also Tooheys Extra Dry Stubbies Fit down the barrel pefect !
the propellent its any type of aresol... usually WD-40 or CRC, deoderent works good too !
Its such a laugh when we go camping and take the spud gun out and let it rip.. shoot it straight up in the air and try and catch the spud !
As for real guns.. well i grew up with guns, Use to be in the Rifle Club, and compertition shoot ! Was really good at it too ! but i grew up and lost interest !
I dont like Handguns.. i think there crap ! there more the weapon of choice for a killer, or a crime !
But Rifles are a tru engeneering brilliance ! yea i guess ya can saw off the barrel and presto smaller and consealable !
And i guess a Rifle would be good to knock pplz off at longer range !
But if i was evar to own a Firearm, it would be a Rifle !
Peace Out
Dialated665
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70 people in the uk died from gunshot wounds
june 2003 - june 2004
9638 people in the us died from gunshot wounds
population of the uk - 60,441,457
population of the us - 295,734,134
in the uk 1 in 863,449 people died from gunshot wounds
in the us 1 in 30,684 people died from gunshot wounds
thats a 28:1 ratio.
We can't own handguns.
70 people in the uk died from gunshot wounds
june 2003 - june 2004
9638 people in the us died from gunshot wounds
population of the uk - 60,441,457
population of the us - 295,734,134
in the uk 1 in 863,449 people died from gunshot wounds
in the us 1 in 30,684 people died from gunshot wounds
thats a 28:1 ratio.
We can't own handguns.
fairnymph
Ex-Bluelighter
^^^
But how do you know that the higher rate of death from gunshot wounds is directly due to owning handguns, as opposed to other factors, such as crime rates/poverty/laws that affect crime, etc.
It's foolish to try to draw that type of a conclusion when so many different factors affect death by gunshot.
But how do you know that the higher rate of death from gunshot wounds is directly due to owning handguns, as opposed to other factors, such as crime rates/poverty/laws that affect crime, etc.
It's foolish to try to draw that type of a conclusion when so many different factors affect death by gunshot.
paradoxcycle
Bluelight Crew
I'm not really following the logic here. If you own a gun, the odds are much higher that you will (accidentally or perhaps intentionally) shoot someone as opposed to someone who does not. IMO I would rather use mace or my fists to defend myself- I'm a very forgiving person and don't see the need to take a life to protect my possessions.
My girlfriend's father is an avid hunter and when he was away on vacation she showed me the gun cabinet and it really scared the hell out of me. No thanks.
My girlfriend's father is an avid hunter and when he was away on vacation she showed me the gun cabinet and it really scared the hell out of me. No thanks.
on_the_rise_5
Bluelighter
i love guns, cept they are pretty heavily regulated in Aus which sux, silenced guns are the best tho, you can in theory of course go hunting in your back yard... i have a lot of area and if i did have a gun this is what i would do but i dont have one, and we have ltos of possums and rabbits in our yard so it would be fun to go shooting them, and neighbours have no idea its pretty weird hehe
I totally agree with the people bitching about the gun-toting americans , but we kinda have the same here now isn't it from my experiences in france and here (holland) loads of people (kids even) own guns and only buy them planning to use them , also maybe we have more of a knife culture here? Most deads from fights etc. are from someone repeatedly getting stabbed (often with their own knife)
maybe with a gun it's different , but i know with other weapons , if you haven't used it before , it's not likely to save you more probable to do harm , running aways is for me the only option in a lot of situations then phoning friends / people you know , numbers can be more vital than a weapon.
just my eurocents
maybe with a gun it's different , but i know with other weapons , if you haven't used it before , it's not likely to save you more probable to do harm , running aways is for me the only option in a lot of situations then phoning friends / people you know , numbers can be more vital than a weapon.
just my eurocents
Morrison's Lament
Bluelighter
PurrrinInOk said:
You are creating a false dilemma here. The fact is black market guns are usually stolen guns, and guns can be stolen because they can be sold openly and are commonplace to have in the home or even vehicle.
This pervasiveness of guns also makes it a lot less risky to carry a gun illegally, and when you just need a crowbar to break into Wal-Mart and walk out with an arsenal there is really very little reason NOT to have a gun.
Where I come from, in Iceland, there is a fairly large criminal scene and a lot of violence, beatings and stabbings and the like. Yet the mortality rate in these incidents is very low, you can really only get in one or two stabs before someone runs away or overpowers you while you can pick off a variety of people from a distance with a gun.
They'd LOVE to have guns, believe me, but the reason almost none of them do is twofold:
1. They're extremely hard to get
2. The consequences of being caught with one far outweigh the benefits
On the first part, you can buy a gun if you qualify for a license but no handguns whatsoever and only a limited range of rifles and shotguns are allowed. Even airguns and such exact replicas are illegal to prevent them being used in hold-ups.
If you qualify for a license, and you need to convince the police you are very much a legitimate hunter and take a long series of classes to do so, you immediately become responsible for taking a series of steps to lock away and secure your firearm - failure to do so is a very serious crime. If you want to sell guns, and I believe only about two places do at present, you are subject to regular and very thorough security checks by the police. The locations and number of guns and rounds is registered centrally, any break-in to such a location results in an immediate and sometimes armed response from the police.
On the second point, if you're caught with an illegal gun you are in a world of shit far beyond almost any other crime you could commit, you'll never be arrested peacefully again in your life because you're on record as having violated this great taboo.
If guns are very hard to get and illegal gun ownership is penalized very heavily you wind up with practically zero gun crime. Take away the incentive to use such a powerful weapon and you can lower the bodycount - there will ALWAYS be violence and criminals, but engaging them in firefights is not the way to ensure safety.
I sure as hell don't want bystanders to open fire on some creep mugging me, random untrained people with guns do not make me feel safe at all. Leave it to the cops
--- G.
paradoxcycle
Bluelight Crew
^And yes, it is that simple. It's not rocket science here people.
Morrison's Lament
Bluelighter
Ehm, isn't that kind of what I said?
--- G.
--- G.
fairnymph
Ex-Bluelighter
Even if citizens having guns, and having gun regulations still leads to increased deaths, I believe that ON PRINCIPLE, any non-dangerous adult should be allowed to own weapons for self-defense, INCLUDING guns.
Yes, it is very unfortunate that guns are stolen and used the kill people, that people are killed accidentally, etc.
However, this misfortune does not override the right of individuals to protect themselves.
Adults should be able to own whatever they like provided they do not harm others unjustly.
Yes, it is very unfortunate that guns are stolen and used the kill people, that people are killed accidentally, etc.
However, this misfortune does not override the right of individuals to protect themselves.
Adults should be able to own whatever they like provided they do not harm others unjustly.
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The reason we have a 2nd Amendment is to overthrow the government should it become corrupt(more than now) and leave the constitution in the dust.
I know I know, you'll say...but you can't fight back against the military even with your semi-automatic weapons, but your forgetting the key fact that our military is made up of who? Citizens, and the majority of our troops are conservative, 2nd amendment supporters who would cease to support our government in the above scenerio.
What's one of the first thing Hitler did, take away gun's from the citizens, cause you can't fight back with you *explicit* in your hand.
Murder is a crime, carrying a handgun unlawfully is a crime, assualt with a deadly weapon is a crime, stealing is a crime. Got most of it covered right there, no reason to make it a crime for law abiding citizens who haven't any felons to own a firearm.
Morris-
It's not a false dilemma, there are already thousands of gun's in the hands of criminals and if citizens were ordered to turn over there weapons the criminals would not. Even if no more gun's are stolen there are already tons and tons of them on the streets.
It's a fact that areas in the united states that have higher rates of adults with concealed weapons permits, there is less crime. Criminals don't like hard targets, they like nice soft targets.
Maybe if more europeans had weapons then maybe hitler wouldn't have walked through everywhere like cake, no?
I know I know, you'll say...but you can't fight back against the military even with your semi-automatic weapons, but your forgetting the key fact that our military is made up of who? Citizens, and the majority of our troops are conservative, 2nd amendment supporters who would cease to support our government in the above scenerio.
What's one of the first thing Hitler did, take away gun's from the citizens, cause you can't fight back with you *explicit* in your hand.
Murder is a crime, carrying a handgun unlawfully is a crime, assualt with a deadly weapon is a crime, stealing is a crime. Got most of it covered right there, no reason to make it a crime for law abiding citizens who haven't any felons to own a firearm.
Morris-
It's not a false dilemma, there are already thousands of gun's in the hands of criminals and if citizens were ordered to turn over there weapons the criminals would not. Even if no more gun's are stolen there are already tons and tons of them on the streets.
It's a fact that areas in the united states that have higher rates of adults with concealed weapons permits, there is less crime. Criminals don't like hard targets, they like nice soft targets.
Maybe if more europeans had weapons then maybe hitler wouldn't have walked through everywhere like cake, no?
