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Guns/Weapons Discussion

I don't own a gun, but I like shooting targets with guns. Pretty good long range shot with a rifle. Have also shot hanguns, shot guns and a few automatic military weapons. Kinda fun actually. Other than that, guns are kinda scary. I understand hunters having them and the police and military. But, average citizens who own guns for personal protection are far more likely to wind up killing, or being killed by one. Too many accidents, too much drama, not enough liability owning a handgun, or assualt rifle.
 
How many of those men do you think are in for murder? and then, how many do you think used a gun to commit the murder....You're probably down to a very small number

Actually, I'd think the majority of murderers used guns. I could be wrong though.
 
guns are specifically designed for one purpose.

guns kill tens of thousands of americans every year.

if you're happy for that to continue - and i have come to the conclusion that most are - then by all means bleat about constitutional irrelevances.

but don't come crying to us when yet more children get their brains splattered across shiny classroom floors. it's your own fucking fault; people have tried and tried to talk sensibly about this issue but get shouted down by 'i am a militia capable of defeating our enemy the Federalist government' whackjobs.

the rest of us just sit here waiting for the pictures of more dead kids.

For every child killed with a gun, four are wounded.[2]

According to the Centers for Disease Control, the rate of firearm death of children 0-14 years old is nearly twelve times higher in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized nations combined. The firearm-related homicide rate is nearly 16 times higher for children in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. The suicide rate of children 0-14 years old is twice as high in the U.S. as it is in those same 25 other industrialized countries combined. Interestingly, there is no difference in the non-firearm suicide rate between the U.S. and these other countries. Virtually all the difference is attributable to suicides committed with guns in the U.S.[3]

Over 3,500 students were expelled in 1998-99 for bringing guns to school. Of these, 43% were in elementary or junior high school. This means that, in a 40-week school year, an average of 88 children per week nationwide are expelled for bringing a gun in school. And these figures include only the children who get caught.[4]

During 1999, 52% of all murder victims under 18 in the U.S. were killed by guns. In 1986, guns were used in 38% of such murders. In 1999, 82% of murder victims aged 13 to 19 years old were killed with a firearm.[5]

In 1998, more than 1200 children aged 10-19 committed suicide with firearms. Unlike suicide attempts using other methods, suicide attempts with guns are nearly always fatal, meaning a temporarily depressed teenager will never get a second chance at life. Nearly two-thirds of all completed teenage suicides involve a firearm.[6]

In 1998, 3,792 American children and teens (19 and under) died by gunfire in murders, suicides and unintentional shootings.[7] That's more than 10 young people a day.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids

10 children killed every day; 40 wounded.

you're killing the next generation... but don't expect any fucking sympathy from us. .

sleep well.
 
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how did australia deal with its guns after enacting restrictions in the wake of the port arthur massacre?

how did britain deal with its guns after the dunblane school shooting?

they held amnesties, and inspections, and kept gun-control as a policing priority. i'd also like to see guns removed from all shops that aren't gunshops, because *fuck* knows why you would need to buy a gun or ammunition anywhere else. i'd also like to clamp down on precisely what weapons can be sold.

you like to hunt? fine, hunt with a single-shot rifle. that *should* be sufficient, right? no need for a fuckin m16, right? no need for hollow-poin-filled automatics with army-standard nightsights, is there? of course not - these things are just for men to sit around and feel like they do actually have big balls ;).
 
In order to go to a shooting range do you have to have expirience and/or a permit to fire a gun?
 
seuss - And what should be done about the exuberant amount of guns in the nation already?
 
I own a few guns but it's been atleast a year since i have shot any of them (last time was when I was at the sandbanks shooting glass bottles and shit.) I have a .22 revolver, a 4/10 shotgun that my dad gave me and a Muzzleloader .50 caliber. Next fall I do plan on going hunting for deer with the 4/10 and all my guns are locked in my gun cabinet. I pretty much forget they are there. I don't think there is anything wrong with me owning them and even if I was to defend myself with these weapons i doubt I would have time to unlock the gun cabinet and all that shit because the intruder would have already killed my ass.
 
I like both guns and knives. The technology is quite interesting and I like the added protection. If someone breaks into my house god knows I wouldn't want to try and beat them into submission (thereby putting myself in more danger) i'd much rather just blast a few holes in them and wait for the police to arrive. Guns are for protection and recreation, nothing more unless you are in a branch of the military or seriously disturbed.
 
^^ shit man, that's pretty harsh. You've got execution on your mind if a burglar is in your home? I was thinking more along the lines of me being attacked or some shit. Regardless, burglary is wrong but I would hope to God no one shoots me if I was inside their house looking for painkillers and shit.
 
buzzy - that link is 4 years old. and notice it talks of gun CRIME; not murder. you know the problems there are with replicas being used for minor thievery... let's turn it around: would you want to make all guns legally available in britain?

seuss - And what should be done about the exuberant amount of guns in the nation already?

they should be destroyed, in amnesties. it has worked elsewhere.

http://www.iansa.org/regions/samerica/disarming_brazil.htm
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1672560,00.html

I like both guns and knives. The technology is quite interesting and I like the added protection. If someone breaks into my house god knows I wouldn't want to try and beat them into submission (thereby putting myself in more danger) i'd much rather just blast a few holes in them and wait for the police to arrive. Guns are for protection and recreation,

OCFiend nailed it - like fuck you'd even have a chance to protect yourself.

if you got burgled by armed robbers 100 times, you'd be dead 98 times.

still feel safe?

In 2002, 30,242 people were killed by guns in America - 83 people a day - including 17,108 suicides; 11,829 homicides; and 762 unintentional or accidental shootings.[1]

A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting (4 times), a criminal assault or homicide (7 times), or an attempted or completed suicide (11 times) than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.[2]

40-43% percent of households own guns. This means that an approximately 44 million Americans own an estimated 192 million firearms.[3]

One out of three handguns is kept loaded and unlocked.[4]

Nearly all childhood unintentional shooting deaths occur in or around the home. Fifty percent occur in the home, and 40% occur in the home of a friend.[5]

When someone is home, a gun is used for protection in fewer than two percent of home invasion crimes.6[6]

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In 1998 estimated that 43% of households with children ages 3-17, keep at least one gun in the home. Of this 43%, 24% have a handgun and both a rifle or shotgun; 23% keep a gun loaded some of the time; and 28% keep at least one gun hidden and unlocked.[9]
 
i wrote this in another thread but it's relevant here, i think.

i think that this is a good example of a "spirit of the law/letter of the law" issue.

as far as i can tell (and obviously my experience is limited), many vociferous opponents of gun control vehemently agree with the letter of the second amendment and have lost sight (deliberately or otherwise) of the spirit of the amendment.

are any bluelighters who own guns willing to stand up and say that they have a gun for any one of a variety of reasons and it's convenient for them that the second amendment affords them the right to keep the weapon?

can anybody tell me in what sense individual gun owners in the US could be defined as "a well-regulated militia"?

alasdair
 
dr seuss said:
buzzy - that link is 4 years old. and notice it talks of gun CRIME; not murder. you know the problems there are with replicas being used for minor thievery... let's turn it around: would you want to make all guns legally available in britain?
Absolutly not. There's no need for anyone to have a gun other than hunting, but I still like them.
 
whats a good first gun for a girl to own? ive always liked the look of a Glock, but iassume that would be too much for me. i have a quite strong upper body for my size, but not that strong. suggestions?

Tokyo-Marui-Glock-26.jpg


(edit: i want to buy a gun to go to the shooting range with, that is all. i havent been through all the pages of this thread but im not particularly interested in the moral discussion of guns. just looking for advice on what model to get from other gun owners or enthusiasts. tyvm.)
 
alasdair - someone here posted that they would've died if they did not have their rifle, i believe.

guns do cause way more harm than they do good. however, what about for those few people that the guns do good? would mace, or some other weapon suffice?
 
Amazon Bee, personally I'd go with a .22 for range shooting. for a few reasons...

they have little to no kick to them
the bullets are very cheap
and they're fairly well known for target shooting

The bullets for most other guns are fairly expensive.

personally, I prefer a revolver over a slide action weapon, because I find revolvers to be safer. the only draw back is you can only load 6 rounds into the gun at a time. (if you buy an extra cylinder, you can interchange them.)

go to a gun shop, they'll set you in the right direction. Just be prepared, guns are a fairly expensive hobby. (I think the gun pictured above is around 500 bucks or so)
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about the glock, I personally wouldn't go with the 9MM, I've never shot one, but all of the gun nuts I know speak badly of them. Mainly saying they're bulky, and they aren't very accurate. :\ (the gun you posted is more for short range self defense than it is for target shooting)
 
here are a few useful links.....

http://www.auspistol.com.au/about/howtostart.htm

http://www.myoan.net/shootingart/sm_pist_overview.html

heres a good paragraph about the .22.....

"No matter what you plan to do you will never go wrong or waste your money buying a 22 caliber handgun. A new basic semi-automatic can sell for $225 to $350. These guns will be accurate enough for informal 'plinking', target practice and beginning competitions. Most will shoot a group of five shots within 3-5cm at 20 metres so they should be accurate enough to keep all shots within the 10 ring on a bullseye target. Ammunition will effect accuracy so it will pay for you to try several brands to find out what shoots the best at the price that you want to pay. (You might find a used gun cheaper but have it checked by a gunsmith or buy it from someone who will be willing to fix it or take it back if something is wrong.) New design and manufacturing methods allow many of these cheaper handguns to be almost as accurate as handguns costing over twice as much. However, balance, feel and trigger pull will not be quite as good. The main reason to own a 22 calibre is that it is cheap to shoot. 50 rounds of new 38 caliber ammunition will cost as much as 500 rounds of 22 cal. ammo. All of the techniques of hold, trigger pull, stance, safe handling, positions, and aiming are the same no matter what the gun caliber. It is just much cheaper to practice and learn using 22 cal. ammo. The amount of money you will spent learning to shoot using even the cheaper ammunition of a larger caliber will more than cover the cost of a modern 22. (It cost about $9.11 per 50 rounds of the cheapest 9 MM factory ammo or $182.20 with tax for 1,000 rounds. 1,000 rounds of 22 cost about $21.45 with tax. $182.20 - $21.45 = $160.70 or almost enough to buy a 22. A 1,000 rounds is not as many rounds as it seems like to a new shooter. A ten mile drive was a long way when you first started driving.) "
http://www.eohc.ca/buygun.html
 
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