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Green Androids (New Dutch Press/ MK Successor)

I'm going to a festival tomorrow and am going to try them there the day after that. I'm going to drop one and not re-dose so in about a week I'll have a duration estimation for you ;)
 
Cheers mate! Much appreciated! I have 99% convinved myself that I will stick with 1 GA only when I test in combination with AL-LAD. I will of had a 3 month break from all drugs by then, and with my daily loading of noopept, magnesium and vitamins, I'm confident it will hit me hard :D. If I can get a great experience from GA only, I will never redose again :D. I feel good things are in store!
 
Yeah mate, took a month to be cured. However, this is why I'm so careful over my dosage now. I know that I could theoretically redose with a 1/4, a half or whatever I want, but now, my health and brain wellbeing comes first every time! (Not that it didn't before, I just thought I could get away with it): I never had brain zaps when I started, its only when I started rolling every month on large redosed amounts. This is why I'm confident this 3 month break will sort stuff out, and as long as I keep my dose sensible, I should be all good to go :D.

If I really think about it, I shouldn't be dropping more than 1 GA in a night anyway. They are all rated at 210-220mg for christ sake....hence 1drop at once it is :D.

Quick question though - Hypothetically, If I was to drop 1 and a quarter GA'S at once (so around the 250mg ish mark), is that LESS neurotoxic/damaging than dropping 1 and then REDOSING with the extra bit later. If you drop it all at once, does that make it better for you or what?
 
I did a half a Party Flock one night and then redosed on a half 2 hours later, ended up totally disoriented in the club I was in and generally spangled.

My sweetspot with PF/MK/Android is a half followed by a quarter 2 hours later.

I think the damage is done by the length of time it's in your system, so the sooner it's in and metabolised away the less damage is done. So, 1.25 at once is probably marginally less damaging than 1.25 over a long period, but only marginally.

Personally if I did a whole one at once I'd just be rolling around the floor looking like I have some kind of syndrome, but each to their own ;)
 
^^Haha! Well I'm assuming my 3 month will bring my tolerance (if any) back down. The amazing thing is, I have never actually had a high tolerance to mdma (including my most recent fuck-up on MDMA with the zaps) I have only used MDMA a total of 6 times. I just used to dose high to get ruined and because I could. The problem is, once I crossed that line of experiencing the full force of 1.5 Partyflocks, it was incredible!

Back to the GA's, truth be told, I won't be dropping 1.25 GA's at once so don't worry! (I am toying with the idea of a 1/4 pill redose at the 1hr mark, but only if I think its needed). On my fuck up experience, I remember absolute pouring with sweat, so badly, that I was actually glistening from head to toe (I'm sure this was the start of serotonin syndrome, I was coming up on about 1 and 3/4 of a GA. The roll was incredible, but no more so than say a 200mg dose. I was just stuck to the bed, covered in sweat with no memory of the night. Seriously...All I remember is rushing so hard whilst walking down the street, I couldn't see and just going "aaahhhhhhhhh"....
 
Well I just got back. Had a BLAST. So as promised the first night I dosed with a whole pill and did not redose (the press which has the single breakline, not the cross). Stomach was about half full, I weigh 165lbs and it had been 1.5-2 months since I last rolled. First thing I noticed is that though these pills are extremely hard pressed they don't take a lot of time to kick in. I started to feel the first tingly sensations at around the 20-25 minute mark and after 30 minutes I was fully up, they hit you fast and when they hit you they hit you HARD. I can honestly say that these are now the best pills I've ever taken (had about lets say 120 different pills). I had enormous waves of euphoria, so much that I had to sit down at one time because it was overwelming for a moment. I've had strong waves like this before but never on a single pill (I usually need a very large dose to feel the full effects, I have a very high tolerance for MDMA). And what's more is that they are clean, very very very very clean. I did not feel anything the day after (normally I don't feel bad but I feel that I've done MDMA the day before, with these there wasn't even the slightest hint). They do not cause stomach pains, no jaw grinding (or almost no jaw grinding), they make you feel like you slept 8 hours while in reality it was only 2. But the thing I found most fascinating is that an hour after I was fully down I could eat again, this has never happened to me before, normally it takes me at least half a day to gain some appetite. The trip itself was a bit short on one pill though. 2.5 hours after feeling the first effects I was fully down again so if you want to last an entire night the only options are to dose really late or to re-dose. So all in all: extremely extremely potent pills that should be handled with care. Cleanest pils I've ever come across. If you don't need a large dose to feel the full effects I advise you to only take half or 3/4 of one. These things will launch you into outer space!
 
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Cheers for the report mate! However, one thing seems slightly off here..2.5 hours duration?! That seems extremely short (considering most people who only drop once normally get about 4 hours out of it). If this is the case, I may have to re-dose an extra 1/4 pill, although I'm not really convinved I want to. Thanks for putting the effort in to do this though mate :) However, I'm not entirely convinved about the duration here.....
 
I kept time to give you an accurate estimation, even asked a friend of mine to remember the times in case I was too wasted to remember :) dropped it at 01:10am, first effects at 1:30-1:35, fully up at 1:45 and at around 4:15-4:25 I was fully down again (the comedown is extremely abrupt. One minute you're thinking "hey am I starting to come down already?" and 10 minutes after that you're almost completely down.) I normally come down at about the same time as everyone in my group that took the same kind of pills/crystal so it's not like I'm known to have short trips, I really think it's the pills themselves. The good thing is that these pills take kindly to re-dosing (didn't do that the first night but I did with 1/2 pills on the last night) because they have no side-effects whatsoever, not during the trip and not after. But anyways yeah they don't last very long but I do know one thing though: the trip itself is insane, absolute perfection. At the beginning of the last night I realised I had too many pills left (wasn't planning on taking any home) so I started to hand out 1/2 pills to people I know. Every single one of them was in a state of absolute bliss 45 minutes later. If you want to be absolutely sure I would suggest taking 3/4 pill first and an hour and a half later re-dose with the remaining 1/4 pill. That way you do not go over 250mg but are still able to re-dose. 3/4 of a pill is enough to hit the ceiling I think. You are most welcome by the way, it wasn't really that much of a hassle, I just needed to remember to keep time at the beginning, first effects and at the end.

*edit* Oh yeah one more thing I forgot to mention. I had very very intense hallucinations from these pills during the entire comedown and up untill about an hour after that. This doesn't alarm me because I'm experienced in hallucinogenics and because I've had this many many times before. I seem to be prone to them, though it usually only occurs after (too) large amounts of MDMA in one night and not after just one pill. I saw facial tattoos on everyone around me in bright colors. I saw peoples faces warped untill they were just like monster masks. I saw the leaves of trees forming tiny hands and waving at me, I saw people that weren't there (more like shades, as soon as I focused on them they were gone) and people that were really there were disappearing all the time (one second I see them walking, the next they vanish in thin air only to return next to me 20 meters on). I even had auditory hallucinations, people around me were talking after the festival night ended and they sounded as loud as a jumbo jet taking off, it was absolutely deafening. Really vivid, intense hallucinations, more so than every other occurence I've had with hallucinating after doing MDMA.
 
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fuck it, ill probably redose with a SMALL quarter at the 1hr:30 mark then. If I keep the quarter on the small side, I can't see too many issues. How was the comedown for you off a redose? The only experience I have on these pills is 2.5 consumed in one night. Never again!


About the hallucinations, I experienced INSANE visuals and sounds on the GA pills too! Im doing the MD in combination with AL-LAD in sept, so im in for one hell of a ride!
 
No hangover whatsoever. The feeling just disappears and you are left with a pleasant afterglow. To put it into perspective on the first night I consumed 1 pill. Nothing the next day and the day after that I used 2,5 pills. Yeah I know, I overdid it a bit, I was originally planning to just roll 1 night. When I woke up the second morning I felt completely fine, had an appetite and was energetic (after only 3 hours sleep) so I decided to roll the last night too. So for me these pills have no hangover whatsoever, not even after using for 2 nights out of 4 and redosing 3 times the second night (a whole one to start and 1,5 more in halfs. I was expecting to feel like crap but instead felt fantastic) and the comedown is all pleasant afterglow though a bit abrupt (I went from all the way up to completely down in about 10-15 minutes). These things would be the prototype of how every good, clean and strong pill should be, if only they lasted an hour longer. You will have an amazing night in september, I can guarantee it ;)
 
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Cheerscfor the info! The last comedown I had was hell, where i cried at random shit and had brainzaps for ages (2.5 androids on night 1, and 200mg 6apb on night). It was hell.... felt fine after the mdma, but the apb pushed me over the edge. This is whyim hoping my 3 month break will be benificial :)

Edit - I was absolutely destroyed on 2.5 GA's to the point where it was uncomfortable. My legs were shaking violently from the muscle tension, i had tinnitus at one point and was sweating like mad. They insanely sttong, hence i think 1.25 will be more than enough!
 
Yeah 2,5 was a bit too much indeed. I should have known better but hey, in the heat of the moment... I had leg spasms to the point where the entire lower half of my body was shaking, hallucinations and my mind was an absolute mess. At one point a mate of mine asked if I wanted some water and he had to ask the question 5-6 times before I understood, I just couldn't make out what he was saying. I heard the sounds coming out of his mouth but my brain just wouldn't process them into a language I could understand. For a few hours I experienced what I think it feels like to be immensely stupid :D I think for the first night my limit would indeed have been 1.25-1.75 GA, I could've handled more but then it would not be fun anymore, I would be overwhelmed, disoriented and my temperature would rise way too high
 
Soundclikes my experience! I was sitting on the toilet trying to piss, and my right leg was contracting so badly, my foot was actually lifting off the floor! So what where the side effects off1.25 like then, as i never want to experience that again! Ill make sure i dose plenty of magnesium and ALA this time too!
 
You are probably not going to experience any very annoying side effects with 1.25 GA. The first night when I took 1 single GA I experienced some leg twitches (but they were the sort of twitches that feel good, not the violent type. They usually intensify when your trip intensifies and start as a tickle somewhere in your leg that spreads and makes your entire body tingle. They were not constant but only every once in a while, usually when standing still or sitting down), some minor jaw tension (I chewed about 4 gums, normally I go through an entire pack in a night, sometimes more) and an absolute inability to read my cellphone screen because my eyes were vibrating (this side effect is kinda annoying but it's not anything dangerous or damaging). This last side effect is something that normally only happens to me after multiple pills (and I live in a part of the world where 75% of pills are high quality, high content) and it's an indication of just how strong these things are. The day after I don't think you're going to feel much either. I had no hangover whatsoever after the first night (1 GA) and not even after the third night (2.5 GA), having slept only 9 hours in the 4 nights I was there. I think you'll be fine, 1.25 is only a quarter more than what I did the first night and I'm sure that I would've felt the same afterwards whether after 1 single pill or 1.25. A small disclaimer: remember of course that this is what happened to me and that it might not be the same for you, but I suspect it will

*edit* OK so now a while later, while I'm getting ready for bed and am a little bit drowsy I am experiencing very small brain zaps (I can tell because I had them once before, lasted about half a day. This was also the day after a 4 day festival at which I did stupid quantities of MDMA). They are not very noticeable and will pass soon I think. This is the last time I'm going to let myself get carried away. I brought my usage back to once every 6 months, now I just need to be a bit smarter with my dosage. Still very few side effects after the quantities I did, with the little hours I've slept and the massive amounts of energy I spent though
 
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BlueBull said:
Well I just got back. Had a BLAST. So as promised the first night I dosed with a whole pill and did not redose (the press which has the single breakline, not the cross). Stomach was about half full, I weigh 165lbs and it had been 1.5-2 months since I last rolled. First thing I noticed is that though these pills are extremely hard pressed they don't take a lot of time to kick in. I started to feel the first tingly sensations at around the 20-25 minute mark and after 30 minutes I was fully up, they hit you fast and when they hit you they hit you HARD. I can honestly say that these are now the best pills I've ever taken (had about lets say 120 different pills). I had enormous waves of euphoria, so much that I had to sit down at one time because it was overwelming for a moment. I've had strong waves like this before but never on a single pill (I usually need a very large dose to feel the full effects, I have a very high tolerance for MDMA). And what's more is that they are clean, very very very very clean. I did not feel anything the day after (normally I don't feel bad but I feel that I've done MDMA the day before, with these there wasn't even the slightest hint). They do not cause stomach pains, no jaw grinding (or almost no jaw grinding), they make you feel like you slept 8 hours while in reality it was only 2. But the thing I found most fascinating is that an hour after I was fully down I could eat again, this has never happened to me before, normally it takes me at least half a day to gain some appetite. The trip itself was a bit short on one pill though. 2.5 hours after feeling the first effects I was fully down again so if you want to last an entire night the only options are to dose really late or to re-dose. So all in all: extremely extremely potent pills that should be handled with care. Cleanest pils I've ever come across. If you don't need a large dose to feel the full effects I advise you to only take half or 3/4 of one. These things will launch you into outer space!
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I just had the opportunity to try this pill as well and my roll was pretty much the same as yours.. only difference was I got some crazy jaw chatter at about the 1.5 hour mark (which was kinda cool actually)... I agree that this was a super clean pill and I did not have any bad comedown the next day (although my body was kinda beat up from dancing so crazy for so long... all in all I gotta say I am *very* impressed with the quality of the dutch presses.. I did just fine taking a whole pill but I can totally see how someone that does not roll a lot would be overwhelmed because it was pretty intense...
 
I have given it some further thought, and i have decided I wont be redosing, as I have too much respect for my brain now. In combination with AL, i will just drop 220mg at once and leave it at that. Im sure ill get a bit longer than 2.5 hours out of it anyway. Even so, no redosing means i will enjoy th day after, and have more gear to save for other occasions :)
 
So my friend and I each took these this past weekend. We each took a half, and then an hour and 15 min or so later we took another quarter each totaling 3/4ths each and that was it. We had strong and enjoyable rolls, but we both only rolled for a total of 3 hours, and then we were both left with pretty intense splitting headaches on the comedown. It wasn't too enjoyable, and we ended up going home from the after party earlier than we normally would have. Any reasoning for the harsh comedown and headache? We were 100% fine in the morning though, and even a bit buzzed again ha.

One thing to note- we both had lunch at noon but didn't eat anything else during the afternoon/evening. Initially dropped at 7:15pm.

Any help is appreciated as we have some left and would like to drop again at an event in a couple weeks, but we have after party tickets and don't want to be left with terrible headaches again!

Thanks everyone! :)
 
Either dehydration, or a tension headache caused by jaw clenching and muscle tension. Just make sure you drink isotonic drinks and take a few magnesium supps during your roll next time :)

About the duration though, all of this 2.5/3 hour roll shit is getting me concerned. EVERYTIME I have rolled, I have always rolled for 5/6 hours. Last time I did 2.5 GA's I was RUINED for 6 hours, and I mean destroyed. I only plan on dropping 1 at once with no re-dose in a few weeks (will of had a 3 month break by then), so it wil be interesting to see how it turns out. I won't be best pleased if I end up coming down after 2.5 hours though.....

Can't see it happening though to be honest, I have always had reaaally long rolls....
 
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Either dehydration, or a tension headache caused by jaw clenching and muscle tension. Just make sure you drink isotonic drinks and take a few magnesium supps during your roll next time :)

About the duration though, all of this 2.5/3 hour roll shit is getting me concerned. EVERYTIME I have rolled, I have always rolled for 5/6 hours. Last time I did 2.5 GA's I was RUINED for 6 hours, and I mean destroyed. I only plan on dropping 1 at once with no re-dose in a few weeks (will of had a 3 month break by then), so it wil be interesting to see how it turns out. I won't be best pleased if I end up coming down after 2.5 hours though.....

Can't see it happening though to be honest, I have always had reaaally long rolls....
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Yeah dehydration is your best bet. That or having consumed too much alcohol during the day or during your roll and getting a hangover. SilentRoller I have to make the remark that the music ended about half an hour before I came down so that could've been the catalyst to end my roll so soon, though I have experienced this before and did not come down because of it. You'll have to try and see, for me it was really short but REALLY REALLY intense.

Oh btw. the brain zaps are gone, had a few very minor ones last night while sitting at the PC but as soon as I went to bed they were gone
 
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