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Grainy Vision/ Visual Snow

When i sit by the sea side in my car and just focus on the sea and the sky all i can see is little sperm things moving in front of my eyes, even when i wasnt smoking weed...
 
Many posts already. But ultimately, you can't get rid of this completely, because your vision itself is a living process, not a static display ... if you want to stop them from bothering you, live a healthy life with hobbies and proper nutrition and go out. I know how it feels when it gets disturbing :)
 
I got those when I weaned off from bipolar medication , it lasted about a week and was more pronounced in the evening/night. I couldnt say it was annoying , in fact I enjoyed it... Now my vision is back to normal :/
 
HPPD is bullshit there is a lot of factors in eyesight I really don’t think residual effects of psychedelic drugs do anything to it especially when you 17 years old. Get some glasses or put your head in some ice water and wake up.
 
luckytaak, clearly you have never experienced any of this stuff. I have hppd from mdma and there's no chance it aint there. It's ruined my life for the past 9 months and it is jsut as strong. I have static, floaters, mild afterimages, blue field phenomenon (spermy things) and i am constantly dizzy, as if im in a washing machine. Its from drugs. All i have thought abotu every second for 9 months is this crushing nightmare. Never knew this could happen and then it jsut did. And i was very careful and havnt touched drugs since i got it. HPPD is very real. Its easy to deny something when youve never experienced it. It's really being very naive. If your brain can produce visuals in the first place on a drug, why is it so hard to believe that the receptors can stay in that state permanently?

To the OP, obviously its important not to touch any drugs anymore. Do you have a body high sort of feeling? any muscle tension in your neck and back? If you can still perform physically, then exercise will help. I cant even walk around without feeling totally dizzy.
 
^Its nothing drastic. I would far rather endure these HPPD type symptoms than stop using psychedelics. I feel the benefit from doing psychedelics far outweighs the negative distractions of this HPPD.

Its not really a big deal.

I made that original post after getting up one night with really grainy/ flashy vision.

And I still think it has alot to do with marijuana. Nothing makes this grainy/ flashy vision worse than marijuana.

I have a tendency to believe these sort of things are experienced by a lot of people, but most just don't notice. I don't know really, I suppose its not that big a deal.

I only wish my eyesight was more acute and the grains would be less prominent at night. But naturally humans have poor eyesight, depth perception, and visual acuity at night.

I also sort of do have a lingering body high type feeling, but that is of absolutely no problem or distraction, and I have no other physical side effects such as muscle soreness, etc.

I know they say that there is some vitamin that is good for your eyesight, and is present in carrots. I am gonna go do a quick internet search for that right now. I had the idea the other day that it may help.

Alright, deficiency in vitamin A can result in poor night vision/ night blindness, and quickened pace of cortical degeneration. I suppose trying to supplement your diet with vitamin A could improve the health of your eyes slightly, and increase your ability to see at night, perhaps eliminating poor visual acuity and graininess at night.
 
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^Its nothing drastic. I would far rather endure these HPPD type symptoms than stop using psychedelics. I feel the benefit from doing psychedelics far outweighs the negative distractions of this HPPD.

Its not really a big deal.
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Strictly speaking I don't think these visual disturbances are classified as HPPD if they are not having any negative influence on your life. Anyways, I think you should be wary of writing them of as tolerable side effects - with more heavy usage of psychs they may increase to the point where it just becomes annoying.

Personally I found it less then enjoyable when going to sleep and I would just get bombarded with CEVs - it's impossible to go to sleep when this happens.

When reading this topic I remember what Terence Mckenna said about psychedelics effect on vision in regard to ancient tribes when hunting. Based on some german experiment he claims that psychedelics improve visual acuity which I think is bullshit. These after effects can in no way be good for ones hunting skills.
 
Several people I know got this HPPD (unbeknown at the time , the dark ages see) and the type of thing you describe is an aspect of it but it generally comes with altered depth perception and scattered (for want of a better word) thinking. Though that is not the same for everyone.

If it's that concerning just avoid drugs till you've been diagnosed one way or another.
 
These after effects can in no way be good for ones hunting skills.
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Other aspects maybe could be though. Mind you I gave up hunting a few lifetimes ago, so perhaps my opinion isn't valid.
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I have experienced exactly what you describe. In the last half of 2006, I performed extensive research with 2C-B, 5-MeO-DMT, MDMA, salvia and psilocybin-containing mushrooms. I am a regular user of cannabis and am prescribed 75mg of venlafaxine or Effexor XR.

After this and for a period of about six months, my depth-of-field seemed flattened. There was a type of snow or grain that persisted throughout my visual field. It was very much like seeing snow falling or like watching a television that is not receiving a signal properly. It seemed particularly apparent at night and outdoors. Actually, I did see snow falling in the light cast by streetlights all the time. This condition was intensified after smoking cannabis, as you say.

Initially, I was alarmed and researched it on BL and other places. I think it may be a mild form of HPPD that could emerge after the use of some psychedelics and then be kept current by continual cannabis use. I do remember reading that cannabis use alone is easily enough to stimulate certain forms or symptoms of HPPD. A really good point, made earlier in this thread, is that our visual apparatus is a living process not a static display of an objectively perceived world. So, this system is in a constant state of dynamic change, rich with adaptive and emergent properties and is probably able to self-organize. I would not worry too much about this. My guess is that tapering-down your cannabis use and the passing of time will allow your vision to return to its calibrated norm. Everyone is different so what happens to you may not happen to others who take the same drugs and with the same frequency. My views are based on personal experience and a marginal amount of internet-based research.
 
Well, if its not bothering you, then it's something completely different from what i was talking about. If i was just seeing things, maybe i could tolerate it. When it blows up into HPPD, its not just visual, its the way the visuals make you feel. They are deepy connected to your inner sense of perception. For example i feel dizzy all the time and my entire neck, back, shoulder and face feel like something is squeezing them. I have a constant tension headache and i cant look at anything without feeling pain (not sharp, almost like a blast).

Now, im not saying you have this. But i didnt either, and then after one roll (couple of clean mdma pills) i was thrust into this. I had not been warned of it. So im saying if i could go back and know what i know now, i DEFINITELY would have taken the warning. Its reallly really really not worth the risk. I know its small, but if you are already showing minor signs, trust me...we forget or ignore just how bad the dark side can be. It really is the opposite of ecstasy....agony.

And just to clarify, all this static and stuff, its not vitamin A deficiencies and all that. Its alot more hardcore. The neurons in your visual processing centers (occipital and temporal lobes) are being seriously damaged. We ignore brain damage we cant feel. This you can FEEL! You can only understand when it has ravaged you. I was ignorant before and i will regret it for a long long time.

Just to say, im not saying stop everything. Jsut giving you the warning i never got. If it tapers away relatively soon, then maybe you do have the ability to recuperate that i dont. But keep it in mind.
 
^^MDMA can really produce a strong emotional HPPD component, in my experience. It's my feeling that it is a lot more dangerous than most people think.
 
Can anyone come up with any real legitimately proven accounts of HPPD? Things like retina damage or any thing? HPPD is bullshit, it is imaginary. You guys need to spend some money on glasses and contacts instead of drugs for just on month and you could probably be able to see better. Like drugs will melt your eyes, distort your pupuls, another urban legion. Seriously go to the eye doctor. Life is simple, your imagination is big and complicated.
 
i get that on my tv sometimes. a good knock to the side fixes it usually. maybe try slapping your head to see if that helps.
 
luckytaak said:
Can anyone come up with any real legitimately proven accounts of HPPD? Things like retina damage or any thing? HPPD is bullshit, it is imaginary. You guys need to spend some money on glasses and contacts instead of drugs for just on month and you could probably be able to see better. Like drugs will melt your eyes, distort your pupuls, another urban legion. Seriously go to the eye doctor. Life is simple, your imagination is big and complicated.
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Wow...this is just pure ignorance. I have not touched a drug in six months. My eyes are perfectly fine. If you have any understanding of how drugs work, they can act on your psyche, and although not completely understood, is a function of some physical mechanism, what we can call neurological. If you trip on LSD, for example...is somehting burning your retina? No! The drug is causing your brain to interpret information differently. It's your brain doing the warping, not the actual molecules of the drug, they are just inducing some pathway, or inhibition of normal functioning. Why is it so hard for you to understand that this can not always go back to normal? You dont understand what it is, and you assume people who have it are insane. Clearly you have not read the criteria of diagnosis nor can you for one second consider that this might actually be true. In fact, i find it incredulous that you cant conceive that heavy hardcore drugs can cause a perceptual distortion when most of them are DESIGNED to do just that. Its easy for you to walk away, and call it crazy, but for those of us who have it its 24/7...there is nothing else. For some its worse than others. For me, its ruined my life. So i take personal offense to you saying it doesnt exist. Why dont you also tell people with Cancer and AIDS that its not real...hmmm how could sum gosh darn virus enter yer immune systum n shut r down? Who says HPPD means your eyeballs are melting. I mean seriously, your point of view is based on WHAT?

"Like drugs will melt your eyes, distort your pupuls, another urban legion"

you've never seen pupil's dilate on drugs? if you dont believe that, then i guess there's nothing i can say.


go to hppdonline.com/forum

There are TONS and TONS of people with HPPD who were very smart ,intelligent people and who continue to be, but after one night, everything changed into a perpetual nightmare. Sometimes i wish the people who say they dont think HPPD exists would get it. Seriously you deserve to experience this when you deny another persons ongoing agony. but still...its just too horrible to wish onto someone. Not an overexageration.

and about your whole are there any real accounts of hppd...uh.....yeahhhhhhh!!! Its in the DSM IV...its a reallllll disorder. go to dr abraham's website
http://www.drabraham.com/html/hppd.htm

brain imaging studies confirm it.

Its very dangerous to deny stuff like this. Awareness is important and all this "it doesn't exist" crap is very very detrimental to people. I didnt know abotu hppd until way after i contracted it. Had i known, i could have been saved. Its not only a risk for heavy chronic users. One time is enough. And knowing this is more than enough to stay way clear of possible HPPD-causing substances.
 
I'm curious, those of you who have experienced such HPPD symptoms, especially the severe ones which will not go away, what was the level of use which brought on such a condition? Did you have one absolute balls out trip that your vision/thoughts were never quite the same since, or was it a process after (ab)using psychadelics over a period of weeks/months?
 
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