Graffiti

[Max Power]

ether MUL from chicago via miami

 

[fortehlulz]

I MAY have had some inside dealings with the people who chase graffitists in Melbourne - Both the Connex Asset Protection Unit (one of whom is an ex writer who went by the tag 'Fester') and the police's various transit crews.

Put it this way... graf in Melbourne is in no danger of dying off. The fellas from Connex have eaten so many pies they couldn't chase a turtle, and the cops are only interested in those that mess with them. Remember 'Vosko'? The only reason huge resources (including surveillance allowing him to tag away and then follow him around for months, having beers with him unbeknownst to him in a Richmond pub on more than one occassion) is because he tagged a police station.

 

[claire22]

vosko , haha, his old girlfriend is my sisters mate.
from camberwell area.
remember stan and bonez , their shits still eeeeverywhere ..heard one fled 2 europe??
it always used to amuse me on the train looking at their work...absolutely everywhere

 

[stephaniesomewhere]

 

[leecie]

^^That first one looks a little bit like a banksy. Banksy

 

[vurtomatic]

 

[IWillHostIt]

Anyone know what's the deal with someone writing 'CTV' on top of heaps of graffiti that I see from the city loop train inbound from the west?

What does CTV mean?

 

[stephaniesomewhere]

 

[BriteShadow]

I think its "CCTV", IWillHostIt- i saw it on the weekend on a similar train route. Seems a shame to mess up work thats evidently taken a long time to do with tags that take 2 seconds to do!
Lol- bet there'd be a lost of pissed-off western writers now!

 

[bucketbill]

I find it funny that some people on here, all of whom are presumably a part of the illegal drug subculture, can't open their minds to or try to understand another illegal subculture which has so many petty negative ties associated with it.

Some of you will lampoon the whole culture because certain idiots tag on peoples houses churches etc but would probably be outraged if someone were to blame drugs as a whole for someones ice fuelled rampage.

And fuck, without tags there wouldnt be pieces. You wouldnt believe how annoying it is to hear people saying "I like the big pieces, but hate those tags". The people who do pieces are the same people who do the tags, all started with that shit.

But then again some people like it, some people don't. Who gives a fuck?
Peace

 

[Teko]

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hey Fortehlulz and others just some friendly advice dropping personal knowledge about graffiti writers is never in their best interest, with the Melburn graffiti database up and running any information that is cached online is to much.. Not tryna flame anyone just lookin out.

One thing i dont mind talking about are CTCV.. most writers blame connex/5-0 for these tags as they are pretty much exclusively trackside and hold no artistic merit but to slash pieces. Maybe in a effort to get Melburn heads who are sleeping to slip up, maybe just to piss off some writers. Alleged abreviations are Connex Tryna Catch Vandels, Corrupt Transit Cops Vandalizing.

A Certain Writer Lashed back at CTCV around richmond, adapting their tags and tagging shopfronts and any blank walls effectively discrediting there anti graffiti name to the masses...

peace

 

[UnSquare]

Blinforms

^
Thanks fo' the post.


PEACE
UnS

 

[BriteShadow]

Ah, I understand now! Thanks Teko!

 

[fortehlulz]

hey Fortehlulz and others just some friendly advice dropping personal knowledge about graffiti writers is never in their best interest, with the Melburn graffiti database up and running any information that is cached online is to much.. Not tryna flame anyone just lookin out.

What - you don't think mentioning that one of the Connex anti graf guys used to write, and as such is used in U/C investigations and surveillance - is interesting? :D

"Cops Trashing Suburban/Shit Art" was CTSA, made up of Vicpol Transit District Support Group members (DSGs are now known as District Response Units - each region, and transit, have them). Basically, the worst of the worst fuck up cops end up in Transit. That said, DSG is where you go if you want to become a detective - you get to do all the plainclothes borderline investigation work. The boys at transit, however, don't get to enjoy the fun of chasing drug dealers and such. Instead, the ponce around Train stations and ride around on trains looking for writers, or spend long and lonely nights 'sitting off' (staking out) rail yards, in the hopes of some action. Winners, all of them :D

There are two possible explanations for CTCV -

CTCV is either going to be a new generation of Transit DRU who don't wanna use the CTSA tag anymore. It may well stand for 'Cops That Cap Vandals' - but then again, anything is possible. Alternatively, itll be Connex's Asset Protection Unit doing it and not wanting to use the DRU's tag. The two groups can't stand each other.

The tapes on railway stations is so shithouse its unbeleivable, and don't forget, if you hit a station, itll be gone by noon. No evidence, no charge. Keep hitting places like the gully between Burnley and East Richmond, however, and you'll end up with a target on your head for two reasons - 1, you're getting up, and they don't like that, and 2, get caught in the centre of that gully with police members on either side, and you aren't getting out - and there's no camera coverage either... face first onto railway track because the ballast (track rock) caused you to trip while cuffed isn't a fun experience, I'd imagine.

 

[eggman]

I find it funny that some people on here, all of whom are presumably a part of the illegal drug subculture, can't open their minds to or try to understand another illegal subculture which has so many petty negative ties associated with it.

Some of you will lampoon the whole culture because certain idiots tag on peoples houses churches etc but would probably be outraged if someone were to blame drugs as a whole for someones ice fuelled rampage.

And fuck, without tags there wouldnt be pieces. You wouldnt believe how annoying it is to hear people saying "I like the big pieces, but hate those tags". The people who do pieces are the same people who do the tags, all started with that shit.

But then again some people like it, some people don't. Who gives a fuck?
Peace

That logic and rationality could also be applied to peadophile rings, gambling syndicates associated with dog fighting or home invaeders.

Could one just as quickly and easily say that people are narrow minded for not appreciating any so called positives coming from those illegal subcultures?

 

[Teko]

What - you don't think mentioning that one of the Connex anti graf guys used to write, and as such is used in U/C investigations and surveillance - is interesting? :D

"Cops Trashing Suburban/Shit Art" was CTSA, made up of Vicpol Transit District Support Group members (DSGs are now known as District Response Units - each region, and transit, have them). Basically, the worst of the worst fuck up cops end up in Transit. That said, DSG is where you go if you want to become a detective - you get to do all the plainclothes borderline investigation work. The boys at transit, however, don't get to enjoy the fun of chasing drug dealers and such. Instead, the ponce around Train stations and ride around on trains looking for writers, or spend long and lonely nights 'sitting off' (staking out) rail yards, in the hopes of some action. Winners, all of them :D

There are two possible explanations for CTCV -

CTCV is either going to be a new generation of Transit DRU who don't wanna use the CTSA tag anymore. It may well stand for 'Cops That Cap Vandals' - but then again, anything is possible. Alternatively, itll be Connex's Asset Protection Unit doing it and not wanting to use the DRU's tag. The two groups can't stand each other.

The tapes on railway stations is so shithouse its unbeleivable, and don't forget, if you hit a station, itll be gone by noon. No evidence, no charge. Keep hitting places like the gully between Burnley and East Richmond, however, and you'll end up with a target on your head for two reasons - 1, you're getting up, and they don't like that, and 2, get caught in the centre of that gully with police members on either side, and you aren't getting out - and there's no camera coverage either... face first onto railway track because the ballast (track rock) caused you to trip while cuffed isn't a fun experience, I'd imagine.

Yeah for sure i like the insight you give, its always good to get some inside information about the other team.. its just the detailed insight on writers im not so keen on. anyway didn't actually mean to single you out, you seem to have your head switched on.

I can still remember watching a certain Melbourne writer do a legal piece near chelt a fair while ago and a cop rocking up tryna get some info and asking what it said, the writers like "nothing its an abstract drawing of the current political climate.." couldnt help but crack a smile.

On the CTCV tip Brisbane has a similar thing i think were pieces are slashed with big X's

 

[chopped_chimp]

Graffiti removal is one aspect of our core business. In fact we employ a dozen or so people who's sole role is to remove graffiti.

99% of the graffiti we remove looks like shit and could be done by a 4 year old. It's funny to think some of these losers are in their 20's and 30's. lol

If I had a party at my house and some guy started scribbling on my walls then I would be on him in an instant. I guess this is why they do it. So they can feel that rush of doing something where they might get their arses kicked. I don't know.

Either way it keeps dozens of people employed so the end result whether you like it or not is that it provides employment....

 

[fortehlulz]

Either way it keeps dozens of people employed so the end result whether you like it or not is that it provides employment....

In Victoria, the number of contracts awarded exclusively for rapid graf removal (not just limited to railways, but also moves by Dandenong and like areas for sub 30 minute removal of tags to stop kids getting fame) means its a seriously big business. Its keeping a whole lot of blokes employed.

 

[JointsNRoaches]

IMO graffiti is an awesome art and i wish i was as talented as some of the taggers around my neighbourhood. BUT i think, like most things, theres a time and a place. Most public buildings and signs, even memorials are tagged in Perth and i dont think thats a good thing at all. Its disrespectful. But i think, again like most things, if people enjoy doing it they will continue to do so. I think that we should accomodate that by putting up walls or something around parks and known hangouts for kids and taggers where they can tag and not become vandals. Theres no need to go around vandalising property and landmarks but theyres always a need for self expression and art.

I remember being in America. Virginia if i remember correctly but i was pretty young at the time. A shop owner had paid a group of local taggers to spray a logo, a dog and their own names on the side of his shop (it was the end of the road, on a corner) and it looked amazing. Why can we not have more of that?

 

[vurtomatic]

Either way it keeps dozens of people employed so the end result whether you like it or not is that it provides employment....

Its keeping a whole lot of blokes employed.

Graffiti doesn't provide employment, said employment is needed only because of the existence of graffiti. Graffiti, contrary to how you guys have rationalised it, is NOT a new industry or business or growth that leads to employment. It's not developing a plot of land, it's not opening a factory, it's not a farm or a mall. Graffiti and your idea of employment is the equivalent of garbage and the people who dispose of them.