Government and U.S. Armed Forces

[thursday]

Yeah, you hippies got it all right. Violence never solved anything.....



except for Nazism, facism, slavery and communism... but who's paying attention to that.

oh yea, i totally forgot that "violence" solved nazism, facism, slavery, and communism.

man, it's so awesome to live in a world where nazism is completely non-existent. see, we killed all the nazis, and now nobody believes in the nazi ideology anymore; same with communism. oh wait! my friend's sister lives on a commune and subscribes to neo-marxist philosophy, we need to kill her!

oh well, atleast we won the vietnam war and saved the vietnamese from communism. but boy are vietnamese people ungrateful. and i can't believe that so many people actually think that it was wrong that we intervened with our own political motives, raped and murdered hundreds of thousands of people(including cambodians and laotians as well as vietnamese), and also devastated the lives of generations of vietnamese people even after the war with lasting environmental atrocities. some people just don't appreciate good old fashion violence.

we also shouldn't forget that the american civil war was fought to end slavery, and it alone both raised and resolved all the moral problems of enslaving human beings. remember, progressive minds like Fernão de Oliveira, who denounced slavery as an 'evil trade' in his Arte de Guerra no mar (The Art of War at Sea)(1555), had no bearing at all on the abolitionist movements of the 18th and 19th century, and neither did any of these uninfluential and ineffective non-violent responses to slavery:

• Domingo de Soto's De justicia et de jure libri X (Ten Books on Justice and Law)(1556), which argues that it is wrong to keep in slavery any person who was born free.
• Sevillian Dominican, Tomás de Mercado's Tratos y contratos de mercaderes (Practices and Contracts of Merchants)(1569), which attacks the way the slave trade is conducted.
• the Parlement of Bordeaux who set all slaves - "blacks and moors" - in the town free, declaring slavery illegal in France as early as 1571.
• Spanish-Mexican lawyer, Bartolemé Frías de Albornoz's Arte de los contratos (The Art of Contracts)(1573), which casts doubt on the legality of the slave trade.
• Francis Bacon's On Plantations(1597), in which he criticized the american plantations system, calling them extirpations rather than plantations.
• Spanish-Peruvian Jesuit, Alonso de Sandoval's many works denouncing slavery as a combination of various evils.
• and most Quakers and other American abolitionists who actively freed slaves and pushed for progressive societal changes but were ultimately unhelpful because they didn't use violence.

and whether or not blacks were still being oppressed after the emancipation proclaimation doesn't really matter because the civil rights movement was based on non-violent protest--another whimpy and impotent movement embraced by progressive liberals--yuck! flower power my ass, we need world war iii for all human beings to be truly equal--equally dead that is!

i just can't wait till we win this war on terrorism when the world will finally be free of terrorists, just like how how the war on drugs has ended drugs.

thanks for making that incisive post camo. some people just don't understand that most of the problems in the world exist because we don't have enough violence.
you're also very wise for construing the core discussion of this thread(factually grounded criticisms of our government's military policies) as how hippies don't understand that violence is the solution to most societal issues. way to cut to the chase!

 

[thursday]

You are all a bunch of whinning hippies. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. You join the Army? Oh well, like any other job, the employer will use his employees as he sees fit. Get off your high horses, stop blaming the world and everyone it for your own failures and realize that the rest of the world is not like the USA. Therefore, you cannot attack problems in the world with your pampered, lovey, Western, American mindset. People are jealous of our prosperity, fortune and opportunities and you turds have nothing better to do than whine. All those members on this board who are in the military, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You take money, education and benfits, then cry like little bitches when it comes time to fulfill your end of the contract. Grow up!

whinning hippies, whinnersarelosers?? i don't know that many hippies who whinny. and what's with your fixation on horses?

but easy jabs at your dull wit aside, there's a difference between voicing dissent and simply "whining." sgt joined the army and realized(first hand) that there's a serious problem with the way our government conducts itself in many respects. now he's bringing this problem to the attention of other people. this is how democracy works and is why we need free speech to preserve a progressive democracy. in a democratic society when you see that the government is not representing the best interest of the people, you voice your opinion and let others know that something must be done, this is different from "whinning" or neighing like a horse.

it's exactly because we benefit from this system of questionable ethics that we need to try to fix it. that is our democratic perogative. try to understand what people are criticizing before you start calling others "little bitches." i know that name-calling is used to over-compensate for your own personal insecurities, but it won't make the problems that people have raised go away(not that you even read the original post anyway, as you didn't address any of the issues which are of necessary concern).

but hey, you're a cool guy. you flame people who are brave enough to challenge the establishment which has a hegemonic control over mainstream thought and culture. critical thinking is obviously beyond your comprehension since you jumped straight to an ad hominem attack, unable to objectively controvert other people's criticism of military policies.

oh, and for your information:
no matter who you are employed by, if your employer is doing or requiring employees to something unethical you have the civic responsibility to object to any unethical conduct you observe. you don't just shutup and go along with it just because you are being paid off.

 

[Buckfutter]

"The New Bluelight is an international message board that educates the public about responsible drug use (with a focus on MDMA) by promoting free discussion."

For a board that promotes free discussion, all of you sure jump down someones throat who offers a conflicting opinion.

Its hard to believe....."free thinkers" would have a problem with the "system" that has given millions of children a future and has set a precedent for change for the better.

If you don't like our "system", why don't you move to Canada? Oh wait....you can shit all over this "system" without fear of losing your life. If you want to make a stand, go to Iran and wear a sign that says "death to islam." I'll pay for your plane ticket so you can see how that "system" works.

but hey, you're a cool guy. you flame people who are brave enough to challenge the establishment which has a hegemonic control over mainstream thought and culture.

This board fucking exists. How about that hegemonic control huh?

 

[thursday]

"The New Bluelight is an international message board that educates the public about responsible drug use (with a focus on MDMA) by promoting free discussion."

For a board that promotes free discussion, all of you sure jump down someones throat who offers a conflicting opinion.

how has any of us jumped down anyone's throat for offering a conflicting opinion? i've been giving arguments in support of sgt's unpopular views about government, and i've have been defending this position against people who resort to name-calling whenever someone voices criticisms about mainstream culture. if you read any of my posts you'll realize that i think dissent, which many people consider "cowardice" or subversive, is the very heart of democratic societies.

Its hard to believe....."free thinkers" would have a problem with the "system" that has given millions of children a future and has set a precedent for change for the better.

is neo-imperialism that system? because i see a lot of other progressive societies who are able to provide their posterity with equal opportunities, and have been much more embracing of progressive reforms than the U.S. and they do this without committing atrocities against less developed nations, and without manipulating their constituency to advance the interests of the ruling plutocracy.
and what do you consider "change for the better?" how can we change for the better if the public is not critical of its own government when the government is undermining democratic ideals? no one here is saying "DOWN WITH AMERICA!" or shouting "ANARCHY!" we're simply raising a point about the direction one aspect of our government is taking. the system we live in is not perfect, and reactionary attitudes only hinder any attempts to refine the system and change it for the better.
it's funny how you think that calling people who have dissenting opinions whiny little bitches demonstrates a progressive attitude, and yet if someone points out the fallacies of such a childish and reactionary comment then they are the ones who are attempting to silence dissent.
i guess if a neo-nazi came in here spouting racist bullshit and a bunch of bluelighters start refuting his arguments(or more likely racial epithets) then you would accuse the bluelighters of being intolerant for making objective arguments against intolerance. but maybe you value close-minded flames more than objective discussions which actually contain some substance.

If you don't like our "system", why don't you move to Canada? Oh wait....you can shit all over this "system" without fear of losing your life. If you want to make a stand, go to Iran and wear a sign that says "death to islam." I'll pay for your plane ticket so you can see how that "system" works.

sorry, that's not how a democracy works. see, if we lived in a fascist state, or in soviet russia, then anyone who criticizes the dominant ideology would be deported or punished and effectively silenced. but we have a democratic system specifically so that if you are unhappy with the way the government works, you have the power to change it. and you are able to do this through discourse and public dissent rather than a violent revolution.
our society would not be as free or progressive as it is today if all the abolitionists, all the muckrakers, all the civil rights leaders, and all the people who found corrupt, unethical, or undemocratic practices in government simply left the country instead of demanding government reforms. this is exactly the "precent for change for the better" that you were talking about earlier. change doesn't happen by telling people to shutup or dismissing them as whiners when they see a need for reform.

This board fucking exists. How about that hegemonic control huh?

oh man! you got me good! how about you learn what cultural/political hegemony means before you get all excited and make an ass of yourself?
i didn't say we lived in a fascist state did i? i said the points that sgt made directly contradict the system of cultural assumptions that most people in our society simply hold as true unquestioningly. the whole concept of hegemony is that the ruling class does not have to exercise direct force to control people. people are socialized as they grow up to accept the dominant ideology unquestioningly as you have demonstrated. that is why you get so riled up when people criticize the system, and yet you fail to respond to any of the issues mentioned.

but go ahead, any time someone questions some part of the dominant political ideology just call them unamerican and tell them to move to a different country. that's sure to bring about progressive changes in our society.

 

[ARDC]

Big Sarge...you can't believe all that stuff your spewing? Your unit makes you take off your patch cause they dissavow you? That has got to be the biggest load of BS I have heard! If they make you take it off it's because they are ashamed of you! The things you do over 'there' are all highly illeagal and everyone would be put in jail?? Then why are you talking about them? Im sure you had to sign a DD 318 right??? You do know what that is right? Why would we need to see Sat pictures of Saddams army on the border of Kuwait when thousands of soldiers and Marines fought them in KC while millions (if not billions) were watching it on TV? Oh and you were 16 and killing for Uncle Sam in a foreign country as a member of some super secret cool-guy unit? Please!!! I don't care what form you sign they won't let you join until you are 18 (17 with parental consent).
For the record I think the only thing coming out of your blow hole is crap but it's not on me to prove you right. Putting Rangers Lead The Way at the end is a disgrace! You realize we're not talking park rangers right kiddo? You a SGT, I doubt that. Your profile pic looks like you are about 18 going on puberty. Nice fukkin jacket too, is it mail order? Go home son and let wars be fought by people with Balls! You young buck are full of shit and useless!

 

[Mysticalis]

Big Sarge...you can't believe all that stuff your spewing? Your unit makes you take off your patch cause they dissavow you? That has got to be the biggest load of BS I have heard! If they make you take it off it's because they are ashamed of you! The things you do over 'there' are all highly illeagal and everyone would be put in jail?? Then why are you talking about them? Im sure you had to sign a DD 318 right??? You do know what that is right? Why would we need to see Sat pictures of Saddams army on the border of Kuwait when thousands of soldiers and Marines fought them in KC while millions (if not billions) were watching it on TV? Oh and you were 16 and killing for Uncle Sam in a foreign country as a member of some super secret cool-guy unit? Please!!! I don't care what form you sign they won't let you join until you are 18 (17 with parental consent).
For the record I think the only thing coming out of your blow hole is crap but it's not on me to prove you right. Putting Rangers Lead The Way at the end is a disgrace! You realize we're not talking park rangers right kiddo? You a SGT, I doubt that. Your profile pic looks like you are about 18 going on puberty. Nice fukkin jacket too, is it mail order? Go home son and let wars be fought by people with Balls! You young buck are full and useless!

Nice alter ego. It sure takes a LOT of courage to waste your time and flame someone with an assumed alternate identity.
8)

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

oh yea, i totally forgot that "violence" solved nazism, facism, slavery, and communism.

man, it's so awesome to live in a world where nazism is completely non-existent. see, we killed all the nazis, and now nobody believes in the nazi ideology anymore; same with communism. oh wait! my friend's sister lives on a commune and subscribes to neo-marxist philosophy, we need to kill her!

oh well, atleast we won the vietnam war and saved the vietnamese from communism. but boy are vietnamese people ungrateful. and i can't believe that so many people actually think that it was wrong that we intervened with our own political motives, raped and murdered hundreds of thousands of people(including cambodians and laotians as well as vietnamese), and also devastated the lives of generations of vietnamese people even after the war with lasting environmental atrocities. some people just don't appreciate good old fashion violence.

we also shouldn't forget that the american civil war was fought to end slavery, and it alone both raised and resolved all the moral problems of enslaving human beings. remember, progressive minds like Fernão de Oliveira, who denounced slavery as an 'evil trade' in his Arte de Guerra no mar (The Art of War at Sea)(1555), had no bearing at all on the abolitionist movements of the 18th and 19th century, and neither did any of these uninfluential and ineffective non-violent responses to slavery:

• Domingo de Soto's De justicia et de jure libri X (Ten Books on Justice and Law)(1556), which argues that it is wrong to keep in slavery any person who was born free.
• Sevillian Dominican, Tomás de Mercado's Tratos y contratos de mercaderes (Practices and Contracts of Merchants)(1569), which attacks the way the slave trade is conducted.
• the Parlement of Bordeaux who set all slaves - "blacks and moors" - in the town free, declaring slavery illegal in France as early as 1571.
• Spanish-Mexican lawyer, Bartolemé Frías de Albornoz's Arte de los contratos (The Art of Contracts)(1573), which casts doubt on the legality of the slave trade.
• Francis Bacon's On Plantations(1597), in which he criticized the american plantations system, calling them extirpations rather than plantations.
• Spanish-Peruvian Jesuit, Alonso de Sandoval's many works denouncing slavery as a combination of various evils.
• and most Quakers and other American abolitionists who actively freed slaves and pushed for progressive societal changes but were ultimately unhelpful because they didn't use violence.

and whether or not blacks were still being oppressed after the emancipation proclaimation doesn't really matter because the civil rights movement was based on non-violent protest--another whimpy and impotent movement embraced by progressive liberals--yuck! flower power my ass, we need world war iii for all human beings to be truly equal--equally dead that is!

i just can't wait till we win this war on terrorism when the world will finally be free of terrorists, just like how how the war on drugs has ended drugs.

thanks for making that incisive post camo. some people just don't understand that most of the problems in the world exist because we don't have enough violence.
you're also very wise for construing the core discussion of this thread(factually grounded criticisms of our government's military policies) as how hippies don't understand that violence is the solution to most societal issues. way to cut to the chase!

You're obviously one of those "Live on my knees, rather than die on my feet" idiots. You're the kind of person "viloent" men (Amercians) have defended and allowed to live because you were too weak and luckily born in Amercia. Go to Iraq and see how far your "I love everyone" attitude gets you. I look forward to your video, you coward.

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

By the way idiot, the Civil War was fought to restore Union, not eliminate slavery. The war started in 1861, the Emancipation Proclomation wasn't issued to by Lincoln until 1863. Even then, it only extended Emancipation to those states controlled by Union, ie. Missouri. Get your facts right retard. And as for SGT Airborne, you're a discrace and any man who rightfully earned the right to say "Rangers Lead The Way!" would spit on you.

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

whinning hippies, whinnersarelosers?? i don't know that many hippies who whinny. and what's with your fixation on horses?

but easy jabs at your dull wit aside, there's a difference between voicing dissent and simply "whining." sgt joined the army and realized(first hand) that there's a serious problem with the way our government conducts itself in many respects. now he's bringing this problem to the attention of other people. this is how democracy works and is why we need free speech to preserve a progressive democracy. in a democratic society when you see that the government is not representing the best interest of the people, you voice your opinion and let others know that something must be done, this is different from "whinning" or neighing like a horse.

it's exactly because we benefit from this system of questionable ethics that we need to try to fix it. that is our democratic perogative. try to understand what people are criticizing before you start calling others "little bitches." i know that name-calling is used to over-compensate for your own personal insecurities, but it won't make the problems that people have raised go away(not that you even read the original post anyway, as you didn't address any of the issues which are of necessary concern).

but hey, you're a cool guy. you flame people who are brave enough to challenge the establishment which has a hegemonic control over mainstream thought and culture. critical thinking is obviously beyond your comprehension since you jumped straight to an ad hominem attack, unable to objectively controvert other people's criticism of military policies.

oh, and for your information:
no matter who you are employed by, if your employer is doing or requiring employees to something unethical you have the civic responsibility to object to any unethical conduct you observe. you don't just shutup and go along with it just because you are being paid off.

Big words,
Still means your a douche bag who requires MEN to secure the liberties you shudder to think about earning. Grow up little boy.

 

[thursday]

lol. oh please protect me from the big bad terrorists who are destroying my liberties.

my posts obviously went over your head. it's ok though, just bookmark this thread and review it again when your reading comprehension level catches up to this side of the discussion. in the meantime, have fun trolling on bluelight. i'm sure you'll be real popular with the mods.

 

[Kul69]

"Live on my knees, rather than die on my feet" idiots

The dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive. Ghandi sure was stupid, wasn't he? Deafeating an entire nation through non-violence? That obviously would have been much better if they had tried to fight and just got slaughtered.

Then they could be heros, and good god-fearing Americans such as yourself would cheer of their heroism from your lazy-boy recliner while you sip a beer and complain about hippies who want change.

You know what? I like you.. I'm going to let you in on a secret.. all those things you complain about? You cause them, you're just not smart enough to realize it.

except for Nazism, facism, slavery and communism... but who's paying attention to that.

Do you know what kind of people contribute to the above? You. You create it, through your blind faith of what others tell you. "It's the Jews!", Hitler says, and you nod. You agree, you need to be angry at something because you aren't intelligent enough to realize you are creating the issues you are blaming others for.

You would not reprimand your government for it's actions, because you are weak, and simple, a sheep. You're not an American, you're.. disgusting? I don't know what else I could say.

I think you need to take a little peek at who the people were that created this country, what they wanted it to stand for. What true power of the PEOPLE is.

How could you even DARE tell someone to with-hold their opinions and do as their told while claiming to be a patriotic American? You are a piece of trash that is polluting the streets of MY great country, and you will be thrown away.

For a board that promotes free discussion, all of you sure jump down someones throat who offers a conflicting opinion.

The best anwser to free speech, is more free speech. Enjoy it, you Nazi. Don't come here attacking someone and then turn around and say, "Oh wow, I thought this was a place for open discussion.. but I attacked someone and then people responded in step." That IS free discussion, you damn fascist!

I have one more piece of information for you, YOU are a fascist.

Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Now, for us sissy liberals:

Liberal: Favoring reform or progress, as in religion, education, or socioeconomic conditions; specifically, favoring political reforms tending toward democracy and personal freedom for the individual; progressive. Liberals tend to favor greater federal power to remedy social inequities, and to support freedom of personal choice and behavior.

You facist nazi, you :D

I just think it's funny someone could act in such a way while pretending they're pro-America. DISGUSTING! Bah!

Oh, and uhh.. I wouldn't consider myself a liberal, if I could I would kill every person in the world like you and bathe in your blood I would do it in an instant. Sorry, I'm not as STRONG as Ghandi.

Resorting to violence makes you weak, you're just incapable of understanding that in a tense situation, the person willing to back down to avoid conflict is the bigger person.

I guess during one of your giant "GI Joe" wars in your bath tub you forgot that killing is never justified. Oh, and please don't tell me you're a Christian.. cause you're not, even if you think you are.

 

[thursday]

^the post 9-11 swelling of neo-patriotism just warms my heart. all the blind flag waving, jingoist sentiments, xenophobic chauvinism, unquestioning obedience to der fuehrer, it's like nazi germany with a neo-liberal twist--marketable fascism. :D

 

[Buckfutter]

The best anwser to free speech, is more free speech. Enjoy it, you Nazi. Don't come here attacking someone and then turn around and say, "Oh wow, I thought this was a place for open discussion.. but I attacked someone and then people responded in step." That IS free discussion, you damn fascist!

I have one more piece of information for you, YOU are a fascist.

I'm a fascist for pointing out that a respectable man cannot introduce a conflicting opinion and get a response not containing remarks about his grammar? And who the hell did I attack?

While your at it, clear something up for me. Why does this board exist?

 

[thursday]

umm... why do you post with multiple usernames?

and when you just post ad hominem attacks, which are completely irrelevant to the discussion, calling people whiny little bitches and can't even spell "whiny" correctly, how do you expect people to respond? are we supposed to give careful consideration to your demonstrated immaturity?

if you are a, self-proclaimed, "respectable man" then why can't you respond to the actual criticisms sgt has stated against the military's policies rather than resorting to childish name-calling. sorry but these are not very insightful comments:

Big words,
Still means your a douche bag who requires MEN to secure the liberties you shudder to think about earning. Grow up little boy.

You're obviously one of those "Live on my knees, rather than die on my feet" idiots. You're the kind of person "viloent" men (Amercians) have defended and allowed to live because you were too weak and luckily born in Amercia. Go to Iraq and see how far your "I love everyone" attitude gets you. I look forward to your video, you coward.

You are all a bunch of whinning hippies. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. You join the Army? Oh well, like any other job, the employer will use his employees as he sees fit. Get off your high horses, stop blaming the world and everyone it for your own failures and realize that the rest of the world is not like the USA. Therefore, you cannot attack problems in the world with your pampered, lovey, Western, American mindset. People are jealous of our prosperity, fortune and opportunities and you turds have nothing better to do than whine. All those members on this board who are in the military, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You take money, education and benfits, then cry like little bitches when it comes time to fulfill your end of the contract. Grow up!

^^these are what we commonly refer to as "flames." you are unable to come up with any objective arguments to refute the original poster's opinions so you resort to hurling inane insults at your opponents.

you assume that sgt and everyone else who is critical of the military have no right to state their opinions, and simply by stating their opinions they are whiny hippies, little boys, and douche bags. yet you have not provided one sequitur argument, and have offered nothing but platitudes and banal affronts.

so why can't a respectable man like sgt offer his observations on our nation's military policies without some troll coming in here saying random and irrelevant garbage?

i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just some immature jr. high student who's got to troll these message boards to make up for a lack of a fulfilling social life rather than a pathetically dull grown man who still acts like he's in jr. high.

 

[camo]

You're absolutely right kul, I'm a mindless sheep! How very observant of you. You think that because you you've gone through some classes in college that you're above the rest of us? Please.

I find it extremely humorous that you deem yourself more intelligent than those of us that put something REAL at stake every time we go to work. You can sit here on the internet, smoke your pot and think that you're better than us.

Just remember there are those of us who wake up in the morning, work towards a better country and a better place to live.

TALK ALL THE SHIT YOU WANT. Call us all the names you can think of. Tell us we're stupid. Tell us we're sheep and we work for an evil government. Think that you are somehow a better person because you aren't in the military... blah blah blah blah blah.

The fact of the matter is... the only reason you have the RIGHT to bad mouth the government and get away with it is because the military, thats right the military, gives you that right. General Washington and the members of the Second Continental Congress didn't break free from Great Britain through non-violence. We pulled together all of our ragged minute men.. all of those people willing to follow an ideal of freedom... and fought the most powerful nation in the world.

VIOLENCE BROUGHT YOU YOUR FREEDOM. The blood of patriotic Americans, now whom you now say are not true Americans. We provide your freedom. Just say "thank you" and be on your way.

oh and Kul... these new people don't play "GI Joe" in their bathtub. We are pieces of trash that will be thrown away? That's fine. You'll be wishing you could dig us out of the trash can when enemy forces march on your hometown streets because you no longer have a force to keep them at bay. Who's going to protect your pansy ass then?

You're too much of a sissy to pick up a weapon and fight for yourself.

 

[alasdairm]

Originally posted by camo
You're too much of a sissy to pick up a weapon and fight for yourself.

written from the safety and security of an anonymous online alter-ego. ironic. and sad.

perhaps some people are man enough not to pick up a weapon and fight for themselves?

alasdair

 

[Powder Keg]

This thread is gold. Some of the posters in this thread are the most stereotypical people I've ever seen post. The discussion is like the epitome of cliche. I'm sure no one cares, but this put a smile on my face tonight... thank you. I'm willing to bet there's a similar thread on almost every big internet forum out there.

 

[camo]

Man enough not to pick up a weapon? So you're going to die on your knees rather than die like a man? Complacency and pacifism only gets you so far in this world.

Written from the safety and security of an overseas military installation in eastern Europe. Very ironic and sad. Yes yes.

 

[alasdairm]

Originally posted by camo
Man enough not to pick up a weapon?

yep. it hardly requires doublethink. give it a go?

Originally posted by camo
So you're going to die on your knees rather than die like a man?

that's a false dilemma (just like another one you may be familiar with: "you're either with us or against us"). maybe there's more than two options?

or maybe i'll just kick your ass, hard man...



alasdair

 

[camo]

A false dilemma... you're in for a rude awakening. You're one of those cowardly people who would die pleading for your life on your knees. "Oh please God don't kill me.. I'll do anything!"

Oh and "You're either with us or against us" is also a true statement. You can't stand on the fence line like your little frat boy friend Kerry who lost by doing just that.

You may want to go back and re-read your last post, hypocrit.

written from the safety and security of an anonymous online alter-ego. ironic. and sad.

Come on over oh powerful internet bb mod and kick my ass. Who's hiding behind the safety and security of an anonymous online alter-ego now? "I'm gonna come over and kick your ass."

Typical pussy sitting behind a computer screen mentality. What else have you got?