Benzos Got my hands on 250mg of Alprazolam powder - best ROI/dilution methods

[blime84]

so yesterday I got my hands on a quarter gram of pure xanax powder which is 125 bars. Last night, I took a very small amount under my tounge and that worked pretty damn well, but I want to dilute it to easily dose friends.

So far I took 100mg and diluted it in 15ML of propalyne Glycol. I dropped 6 drops on a sugar cube(20 drops = 1 ml about, 6 drops at that concentration = about 1 bar. and took that, seems to be working ok, but the taste was horrid.

Anyone have experience with pure powder? if so, can I dilute the 100MG into 5ml of PG? that would make it 10 bars per ml or 1 mg per drop. i assume the taste wouldnt be nearly as fucked. Also, what is the lifespan of the product diluted in the PG? another idea i had was to to dilute 15ML with 100MG of powder again, then take 25g of sugar, dump the 15 ml of diluted liquid on it, mix well, then break it into half gram piles and put into gel caps, then each cap would have a half bar of xanax with 250mg of sugar. would this be viable? how long would it stay good for?



the 3rd option would be to take 100mg powder dilute in 5ml of PG, then get some blotter paper, and drop 1 drop per square to have 100 tabs of 1mg xanax. Any suggestions? would any of these methods work?

 

[Ruby1268]

I have seen bulk xanax powder sold from China, India and Pakistan. Most want payment upfront in the form of money order.

But how do you know if you are getting scammed? The same goes for buying bars ... how do you know who is legit?

 

[Solipsis]

I have experience with pure alprazolam powder, IIRC it worked fine dissolved 1 mg/ml in alcohol. I remembering liking the taste.

Also I think that most benzo's are very very stable and shouldn't degrade. I did a while with my powder and never noticed any degradation and I know diazepam (have experience with the powder also) is a very stable compound.

No idea about PEG solubility, look it up.

 

[Larc]

All of those methods would be fine, the gel caps seem like it would be a PITA.

Whats it taste like? I have quite a bit of experience with alprazolam powder, it shouldnt have a nasty bitter taste. It should be pretty mild.

As with all "pure" powders, I recommend to everyone they have them tested.

 

[Someone13232]

I have experience with pure alprazolam powder, IIRC it worked fine dissolved 1 mg/ml in alcohol. I remembering liking the taste.

Also I think that most benzo's are very very stable and shouldn't degrade. I did a while with my powder and never noticed any degradation and I know diazepam (have experience with the powder also) is a very stable compound.

No idea about PEG solubility, look it up.

the solution was stable and stored well in alcohol? im just wondering, i have this on the way to me soon and will be in the same boat as the OP.

my local Polski shop sells imported 99% grain spirit in the vodka range. does the substance just crystallize into the paper if you drop it on a blotter? is there increased risk or degradation/transferrance of the tiny 1mg of crystal if the blotter dries out thoroughly OR remains wet with alcohol in the bag?

ive only worked with phenethylamines in this manner before, i dont know about fragile chemicals.

 

[Solipsis]

I once made blotters using phenazepam (which I do not care for and actually very rarely used after that) by first dissolving it in IPA at known concentration, then dropping the solution onto pieces of folded joint rolling paper. I'm sure there are better blotting materials though and it took me 2 or 3 rounds because the paper was easily saturated with solution. It worked as expected.
As long as you don't overdo it, which will cause the solution to leak and the benzo to precipitate onto the surface below, I think it should be fine. No reason why there should be any degradation, if anything compounds are as a rule more stable in dry form (whether powder or laid in blotter) than in solution. But for compounds as stable as benzo's I doubt it matters. If you are concerned and plan to store it for a century you can refrigerate products I guess, but IMO it would be a waste of fridge or freezer space.

Mind you I have a scientific background and the smarts and knowledge to understand relatively well what I am doing when I apply procedures like these, although granted it is still a form of 'kitchen chemistry'. All I'm saying is that I would probably know when to spot issues better. I cannot recommend just anyone doing things like these, because for example an error in decimal points can cause overdoses by an order of magnitude.

Realize and admit your own flaws honestly, there is no room for cockiness... and use precautionary measures when trying out doses to account for mistakes you may have made in making even distributions or calculation errors.

 

[Pill__Head]

I have done this alot with alpraz. powder..it works absolutely great to dissolve it into the PEG. I doubt that you would be able to get a 20mg/ml concentration, thats a pretty high concentration..you could try, it would take alot of time and heat, but IDK, IMHO that sounds like too much and I doubt it would all dissolve.

I've gotten mine up to 5mg/ml , even that took a fair amount of time and HOT water to get the powder totally dossolved into the PEG.

 

[Someone13232]

whats the difference between using PG and alcohol?(in terms of their application here, not chemically)
i was hoping for at LEAST 10mg/ml if not 20mg/ml. i have a tiny glass pipette that does 20ths of a ml per drop (with alcohol) which comes in a 5ml vial. would be a perfect 100 drops.
i'd like to be able to put a tiny little drop onto each tab and watch it instantly soak up, not have to repeatedly soak and dry the tabs. (does a tab hold a 5th of a ml easily? a rizla doesnt for sure)
i didnt realise Benzo's were hardy chemicals storage wise, i thought the whole propylene glycol thing was cause alcohol would lower the quality of it or something, kinda gives off an impression... i'd like to use whatever i can saturate the most chemical in to. if alcohol is fine, why wouldnt it be everyones first option?

 

[Pill__Head]

Proplyene glycol is your best bet to use as a solvent, your can get 99.9% USP food grade PG, which is just what you want. I personally wouldnt even mess with droppers for measuring. Just get an oral syringe to dose, these are way more accurate and easy, just draw up desired amount of liquid and squirt under your tongue. BOOM.DONE. That easy..

 

[Someone13232]

Proplyene glycol is your best bet to use as a solvent, your can get 99.9% USP food grade PG, which is just what you want. I personally wouldnt even mess with droppers for measuring. Just get an oral syringe to dose, these are way more accurate and easy, just draw up desired amount of liquid and squirt under your tongue. BOOM.DONE. That easy..

why is propylene glycol better though? is it a thinner or thicker liquid? does it have a greater capacity to solute more drug per volume? does it taste nice?

using a big'ol measuring syringe is tedious and not very discreet, i'd rather fully hide it in a 5ml Rescue Remedy vial (100 drops in a thing smaller than my thumb) so people think im taking some flower extract to chill me out when its freakin xanax in disguise. one gram would make me 10 bottles of 100 drops if this would be possible, im just wondering whether it is or not.
ive had 15mg/ml concentration of 25-I-Nbome before and it seemed perfectly happy, i didnt want to take it higher because that was the dosage i wanted. (750 micrograms per 20th of a ML being one drop from that pipette, 100 drops in a bottle)

maybe worst case ill get 10 MG per ML in Iso-alcohol and 2 drops will have to be 1mg. 2 drops can still fit a tab easily i suppose.

this is the same method i use for LSD and Nbomes. im just wondering why PG may be better. unless it isnt. can i buy it down the road for not very much off the polish guys?

 

[Someone13232]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12531&page=2
useful^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

reading that thread answered many questions of my own and the OP's.

99.9% alcohol SHOULD hold around 40mg/ml (dont hold me to that but apparently so)
the difference in PH or whatever caused by the 5% water in 95% grain spirit makes enough change that you wont get up to 40mg/ml but you SHOULD get over 20mg/ml without much difficulty.
im going to try with the grain spirit i can get and then if it doesnt all dissolve, ill find something purer to un-dilute the not-quite-solution with, or siphon off the saturated solution and work out the maximum saturation point i obtained.

 

[Solipsis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but PEG is relatively appropriate for IVing while alcohol is not by comparison. Some people do it, hell I even think I once read about injection of whiskey, but that does not mean that it is a good idea at all! Some people who IV do crazy things, which can be explained but not justified equally easily.

Other than that as long as you don't use ridiculously low concentrations in alcohol that would have you ingest significant quantities that would cause effects interacting with benzo effects, I don't see why the choice of solvent should really matter. Apart from solubility differences perhaps if you are looking to make highly concentrated solutions.

I don't really see the point in that unless you want to minimize the volume of PEG injected, but with something volatile like alcohol it is not really that wise if you ask me.

 

[Pill__Head]

why is propylene glycol better though? is it a thinner or thicker liquid? does it have a greater capacity to solute more drug per volume? does it taste nice?

using a big'ol measuring syringe is tedious and not very discreet, i'd rather fully hide it in a 5ml Rescue Remedy vial (100 drops in a thing smaller than my thumb) so people think im taking some flower extract to chill me out when its freakin xanax in disguise. one gram would make me 10 bottles of 100 drops if this would be possible, im just wondering whether it is or not.
ive had 15mg/ml concentration of 25-I-Nbome before and it seemed perfectly happy, i didnt want to take it higher because that was the dosage i wanted. (750 micrograms per 20th of a ML being one drop from that pipette, 100 drops in a bottle)

maybe worst case ill get 10 MG per ML in Iso-alcohol and 2 drops will have to be 1mg. 2 drops can still fit a tab easily i suppose.

this is the same method i use for LSD and Nbomes. im just wondering why PG may be better. unless it isnt. can i buy it down the road for not very much off the polish guys?

Im not totally sure, which is "better" to use, all I know is PEG works great, but tastes pretty bad. you just gotta get over that part, it isn't the end of the world. and btw it is a slightly liquid thicker than alcohol.

The reason I would reccomend it over alcohol is becasue generally Propylene glycol is used in alot of pharmacuetical injectable solutions to dissolve non polar chemicals in ( benzos, ect. )

 

[Shaal]

Also I think that most benzo's are very very stable and shouldn't degrade. I did a while with my powder and never noticed any degradation and I know diazepam (have experience with the powder also) is a very stable compound.

A bit off-topic but some of my benzos have passed the expiration date by a few years, and indeed they are still effective.

 

[Someone13232]

interesting responses guys.
my choices of ROA to be used within this lifetime will never see IV'ing accepted as a valid form of getting drugs into me. not for SHIT.

one drop (0.05ml) to 1mg will be my dream with the xanax, and it seems it may well be possible. ill probably store the rest in powder form and mix bottle-by-bottle as required, in which case the alcohol solution will only need to last a few months at a time until each batch runs out. ill update with my success in 2 weeks upon arrival of chems.

edit- thicker liquid than alcohol doesnt sound like what i want either, the droplets would probably have a greater surface tension and be bigger amounts of liquid, compared to loose, runny alcohol. also doesnt look like it bodes well to have a greater capacity. i would rather have to add an extra amount of powder to the alcohol to keep it at full strength, than have a sub-strength solution of shitty gloop.
it often seems like things are only done a certain way because "thats the way its done", i feel a bit arrogant in saying that but often there is a more convenient way to go about doing things

 

[OntarioGuy]

I just ordered 100 blotters of 1.2 mgs of alprazolam, so im lucky its already been dissolved in PG......I have a question and dont mean to highjack.....say I have these 1.2 mg blotters of alpraz that have already been dissolved with pg.....can I mix them with water in a spoon and draw it into a rig for IV use. wouldnt it be like getting the pg/alpraz to mix with the water?

To the OP. I Find Vaporization is a great method for pure alprazolam. especially if u have an accurate digital vaporizer u just look up the vape temp of alpraz and dial it in.

 

[TooMuchTar]

If you don't mind me asking, why would anyone sell it like that unless they were cutting it? I'm picturing someone crushing 100 bars so that they can mix it with something else... why else would they go through all that trouble?

 

[Crankinit]

If you don't mind me asking, why would anyone sell it like that unless they were cutting it? I'm picturing someone crushing 100 bars so that they can mix it with something else... why else would they go through all that trouble?

Either stolen ingredients from pharmaceutical labs or illicit lab setups would be my guess (not sure what the likelyhood of the latter is, no idea how hard it is to synth alprazolam).

I've tried it though, and it was definitely the pure ingredient, not crushed pills. Dissolved it in vodka 2mg/ml and dosed that sublingually, exactly the same as a 2mg pharmaceutical bar, other than the burn from the vodka.

 

[Someone13232]

Either stolen ingredients from pharmaceutical labs or illicit lab setups would be my guess (not sure what the likelyhood of the latter is, no idea how hard it is to synth alprazolam).

I've tried it though, and it was definitely the pure ingredient, not crushed pills. Dissolved it in vodka 2mg/ml and dosed that sublingually, exactly the same as a 2mg pharmaceutical bar, other than the burn from the vodka.

you can just buy alprazolam as easily as any other pseudo-legal RC-ish type of possibly prescription chemical. getting it into the US would be harder than just sourcing it though. in the uk its class C which aint too bad, same class as abusable solvents/precription meds.
no one would crush branded bars worth money with a name on them to make a bland generic powder. people would give an arm and a leg to be able to do the exact opposite.
theres several sources im aware of for this stuff, some in eastern europe (must be stolen pharma or chinese resale) and obviously the chinese who will just replicate anything for money.

 

[Ondine]

Alprazolam seems to be a (relatively) easy synth compared to a lot of drugs. Pure Alp powder is all over the deep web in many countries, so it would seem that there are quite a few clandestine labs set up.

I wouldn't assume that all of it is sketchy shit from China or India.