Got introduced to 4-MMC this year, trying to stay safe, few questions, observations...

[Hilopsilo]

So, this stuff popped up all of a sudden this year & is sweeping the BC electronic music scene. I had always heard about this drug, but had thought it completely extinct, I was thrilled to try it.

This stuff has felt like a god send, I'm not great with alcohol, I havent taken MDMA in a long time & don't know when I'll feel ready to try again, not a fan of coke, amp feels like something I just want at home to be productive... I was in dire need of something to help me stay up on nights out/festivals enjoyably & be sociable, I was trying to do this with GHB (I kinda hate that stuff tbh), and then I came across 4-MMC in February. Since then, I've done it 15-20 different nights, its rather versatile & tempting to dig into.

I'll sniff small amounts throughout the night, I use a straw to make sure it gets all the way up there, I don't generally go through that much relatively speaking. I'm not sure I can quite wrap my head around people putting away multiple grams in a night. Very roughly anywhere from 150mg to 300mg, I've gone through about 3.25 grams of it over the last 9 months. That said, this is the first drug in my 15+ years of rec use that REALLY lures me into doing more. The first few times I did this stuff I would hard cut myself off at like 2-3am, but the last couple times I've kept going until like 7am at afterparties. Just, sort of a line I've never crossed before (no pun intended). I even find myself in the days after a sesh yearning for the burn of it in my nose. First ever drug I've tried where it feels like hell yeah I could do this til noon the next day if I'm in a fun party environment. It feels like what I'd want coke to actually be.

I'm posting now just because, I did a sesh on saturday, great night out with great people, but HOLY MOLY I got hit with major hangxiety on sunday I haven't gotten hit with in previous sessions, and its lingering. It's been about... 36 hours since the end of the sesh & I still feel pretty crappy. I wouldnt say this sesh I consumed more than any other sesh, but I guess it possible. I also did some on halloween the weekend before, but at the same time, this past summer a couple festivals I did it 3 nights in a row. A more recent use timeline... I've done it 4 separate times since end of august.

Might be rhetorical, but do I need to pump the breaks here? Is this something I can get proper addicted to easily? Other info here is just that I'll take a section of a xanax bar to sleep the next day, which is usually around late morning/noon, and I've also been dependent on 5g per day kratom in a highly structured strict regimen. Feels like the week after I have mood swings & weird feelings, but hard to tell that apart from massive sleep schedule disruption & not eating for 24 hours, plus a lot of other crazy stuff going on in my life. I feel a lightheadedness in the days after, friend also reported this effect but his use is much more & combining with all sorts of stuff

Other thoughts on this drug as I've now done it enough times to have a pretty good idea of its effects, mostly comparing to MDMA

• At the end of the day, inferior to MDMA in many ways
• Lacks the musical enhancement of MDMA or psychedelics, trading off for more pure sociability
• Lacks the psychedelic undertones of MDMA, which I believe to be connected to the lack of musical enhancement
• Very gurny, maybe more gurny than MDMA
• Doesn't have much synergy with nitrous, which again I feel is connected to the lack of music enhancement/psychedelia
• There is a sexuality to it, but less so than GHB and doesn't feel more so than other stimulants.
• Been calling it "The listening man's cocaine"
• Could be dose/ROA, but lacks the extremeness of MDMA, the paranoia, rush, crazy tactile feelings, etc.
• It's energetic, but you can also sit still, there's a warmth to it
• I don't feel it to be as "superficial" as people say, I do feel a deep connection with people when I do it even if its not MDMA level empathy.

 

[Didgital]

Umm.. so I don't have tons* of personal experience with 4-MMC but to me it is a stimulant first and entactogen second. Some people find it very compulsive although not to the degree that people do with some other stimulants. That doesn't mean it can't be addictive and I'd be surprised if there weren't people that have had issues with it, even on BL. It's made it's rounds in the UK, and EU and I've heard of people taking up to 5g in a night.
Once in a while using it responsibly is probably not going to wreck your life and even people I know who have used a lot of it eventually get tired of it IME.

I find it interesting to know that it's just now hitting BC. I know the main precursor to it has already become rather difficult to get in the US even though it never took off here. Canada always seems a bit slower to act on precursors though.