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Goodbye, Goodbye

Good luck tekken, an opiate addiction is a hard one to beat, it's a shit game to be in, you can do it!
 
And for the record... Charlie Clean's post is definitely on the money.

Be realistic every day you're in rehab and don't get caught up in the fantastical approach to living sober. When I was in it was the most vocal about "never going back to it again" that relapsed first. I was always straight up that I really didn't know if complete sobriety was something I could achieve and even want. I was still making up my mind and exploring possibilities and this honesty served me well.

Get in with the crowd that makes most sense to you and prepare to be challenged daily. It can be a truly transformative experience and will, most likely, scare the shit out of you at times. Dealing with fear without getting fucked is a great feeling though.

All the best and chin up mate. x <3
 
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... or would we be better to say ,, man ur right go get wasted, go get drunk and go score ?
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Yep. That'd be my advice every time.

While of course wishing TekKen well, I still think rehabs are a con. Their main contribution has been to put some funny ideas into addict heads. On occasion, their techniques come perilously close to brainwashing.

But, as you say SC, different strokes for different folks. Whatever gets you through works for you.
 
Have you been to a rehab charlie ?
I held, still do hold, a distrust of these organizations but it's not based on anything more concrete than the fact I don't particularly like being controlled.
Some people seem to find them helpful however. I do agree that those whom I have met who've been through the process are generally living in a style that seems shot through with taught behaviour, unnatural is the feeling I get when I talk with these folks.
Then again it is their choice & that life may well be better than the life they would have been leading without rehab.
Surrender your control - that I never ever understood.
I seem to have typed myself into being a control freak :\
 
I think that sometimes it's actually ok and healthy to surrender control. When you're in a serious heroin habit you're pretty much surrendering every day.

And there are people who do genuinely care for your well being in these places, I hope the one you go to is included in this. I know I got the help I had needed for years from going to Phoenix Alpha and it really did me a huge favour.

I'm not naive enough to not understand that some places are run by idiots or have developed a toxic culture at that time. I was lucky.

The important thing here is that you're trying to change behaviours you don't want anymore and you're brave enough to go and take the risk of a new future.

Anyne read Theodore Dalrymple's book Junk Medicine? Makes for really interesting debate as he believes that the whole industry around reforming addicts is basically a con job too and that the services have now become merely self supporting entities with little impact on the success rate of stepping away from drug use. I really relate to a lot of what he says but I get the feeling he has experienced the life of a 'junky' through a limited perspective - always being the authority in the situations he was would have skewed the dynamic in ways that could limit the credibility of his point of view.

At the end of the day, the remit that addicts give up when they want to and only then is pretty true. I came away from rehab with a very different view on drug use and it's meaning in my life but still do indulge here and there. The reasons behind my drug use now and pretty far away from what they were though and I would argue that they're 'healthier'. I'm no longer looking to self harm to get the help I needed with issues no body was listening to. Got myself a serious heroin habit and hey presto! I get access to the treatment I needed long ago.
 
I'm not suggesting that anyone take on board my feelings about something I've never tried, I'm just saying that's my personal take, prejudice if you like.
If it improves peoples quality of life good for them, good for everyone.
Would peoples lives be so bad if legit heroin were available tho ?

At the end of the day, the remit that addicts give up when they want to and only then is pretty true
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I believe that to be true, a helping hand at the appropriate time is excellent.
Also if addicts are giving up when they want to then I don't think there's much surrendering of control going on, just the opposite in fact
 
amnesiaseizure said:
I think that sometimes it's actually ok and healthy to surrender control. When you're in a serious heroin habit you're pretty much surrendering every day.

And there are people who do genuinely care for your well being in these places, I hope the one you go to is included in this. I know I got the help I had needed for years from going to Phoenix Alpha and it really did me a huge favour.

I'm not naive enough to not understand that some places are run by idiots or have developed a toxic culture at that time. I was lucky.

The important thing here is that you're trying to change behaviours you don't want anymore and you're brave enough to go and take the risk of a new future.

Anyne read Theodore Dalrymple's book Junk Medicine? Makes for really interesting debate as he believes that the whole industry around reforming addicts is basically a con job too and that the services have now become merely self supporting entities with little impact on the success rate of stepping away from drug use. I really relate to a lot of what he says but I get the feeling he has experienced the life of a 'junky' through a limited perspective - always being the authority in the situations he was would have skewed the dynamic in ways that could limit the credibility of his point of view.

At the end of the day, the remit that addicts give up when they want to and only then is pretty true. I came away from rehab with a very different view on drug use and it's meaning in my life but still do indulge here and there. The reasons behind my drug use now and pretty far away from what they were though and I would argue that they're 'healthier'. I'm no longer looking to self harm to get the help I needed with issues no body was listening to. Got myself a serious heroin habit and hey presto! I get access to the treatment I needed long ago.
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A lot of people in these places want to help you. As do NA members. Or, it's wise to ask yourself, do they want to help you get off the drugs?

It's an important distinction. Some people love you, others love an idea.

Criminalisation and turning 'coming off' into an industrial enterprise obscure addiction truths. For one, they make it seem impossible that you can run a heroin habit that intrudes on your daily routine no more than your taste for coffee. For a century, people took opiates without it getting in the way of what they were doing. Now, addicts are obliged to live a junkie lifestyle and people think it's the drug that's responsible. Weird.

Oddly enough, Theodore Dalrymple wrote me my first heroin script. Was later named 'Dr No' by inmates of Winston Green nick when as doctor there he refused to prescribe methadone to the legions of stomach clutchers just through reception. A full discussion of his controversial and very user-unfriendly ideas as the bumptious Dalrymple are for elsewhere but he's some interesting things to say about sentimentality -or 'Dianafication' - and multiculturalism, as well as drug addiction and its treatment. As regards the drug bureaucracies and help industries, we say the same thing from our different viewpoints, they're a con.

Yes, beyond a certain point, coming off is a mammoth physical and psychological effort and empathic company can be a necessity for a lot of people. But this emotional hysteria helps no-one. Users exaggerate their state to get a script or a lay-on, and rehab companies or drug bureaucracies do exactly the same, also to promote their own interests. The result is a confused nonsense that sees no more addicts staying abstinent after expensive, taxpayer subsidised rehab treatments than do without any 'professional help' at all. Rehabs did not arise to meet a user need, the need arose because it was planted in user minds to meet the demands of rehab. Yet again, the vulnerable have been played for suckers.

It's just my opinion. Whatever suits you. But maybe ask yourself why you went off to rehab rather than into retreat or your mum or mate's back bedroom. Where did the idea come from, what made it appeal? Was it real?

A lot of rehab workers are ex-users who take your voluntary admission to mean what suits them will suit you; in the suggestible rehab atmosphere they can take this beyond not having a habit, with all the implied dangers. In practice, the group dynamic and humour usually protects against excesses but the evangelical bug is catching and it's easy to get swept along. Above all rehabs and drug treatment make big bucks and addicts are the commodity. Be careful out there.
 
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hello all! just been to see teKKen one of my best mates, after 2 and half months, and just wanted to let peeps who know and have spoken to him that he is doing fucking well! I will leave it to him to update you as to his experience and how it has affected him etc, but he is doing great, happy and positive! anwyays, will leave it at that as its all his experience to speak about, but yeah, one of the best days ive had in ages seeing such a great dude in such a better mindset than I have in months :D
 
That's brilliant news, I was wondering how he was getting on today. Tell him I said hello and am glad to hear he's doing well...
 
That's really good to hear :) Yay for him! I knew he was intrepid but determind to sort things out for himself so yea, that's fuckin ace that he's feelin really positive about things ^_^
 
yup! hes out of rehab, alive and well still in support housing but doing some volunteering and shiz. cannot fucking wait til he comes back to leeds next year :D

he won't be making a return to bluelight tho im afraid... for the best for him.

i hope you can wish him congrats on almost 7 months sober :D
 
That's brilliant! It's sad that he won't be around, not that I knew him well but I can see how it's definitly good move!
 
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