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Bluelighter
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Fall of civilizations ,20 episodes the latest one ancient persia ,one of the best is the North African civilization of carthage and the destruction of it by the Romans
Man, Sam Harris and fukkin Dankula back to back. Funny how both Left and Right feel comfortable posting such hateful individuals. But hey ho, freedom of speech and all that. But… fukkin EWW!!!
In more palatable news…
The Liberator is a channel that explores ancient history - a particular favourite subject of mine. This fella is both qualified and articulate. Great info on a variety of ancient cultures. Good stuff!
And for those (like me) who also like their ancient history a little spicier at times…
Michael Button also covers ancient history, is also both qualified and articulate, and… well… think more along the Graham Hancock lines only a little (or sometimes a lot) more grounded.
Really not sure that I agree or even understand what you mean.. If you're fortunate enough to be stoic by nature or because of life experiences then that's one thing.
But if it's something one recognises that could be worked on for the general life benefits it provides, for example in terms of dealing better with adversity, is a significant benefit Stoicism could personally help me with. I don't see how there's anything at all cringe about working on something like that using Stoic principles. In time the hope is that these things will start to come naturally. I already find myself using certain stoic principles and logic to stop anxiety attacks in their tracks, and on some occasions they are proving way more effective than any CBT ever did. Not in a self conscious way, but in a way that utilises the principles because they actually work in real life scenarios.
Where would you draw the line? Would all forms of 'self improvement' be 'cringe'?
I'm not talking about being self-consciously like "I'm so virtuous/wise/stoic" etc, as absolutely that kind of self congratulatory attitude, verging on narcissism, definitely would be cringey.
Marcus Aurelius use to condition himself to discomfort, by sleeping on hard floors, rather than soft beds. Wearing rough uncomfortable clothes etc. There's other examples like that. You may think that's cringey, ridiculous, or pointless, I don't know, but it was all in an attempt to condition himself better for dealing with adversity. He was an emperor after all, so was naturally going to have a very soft life on the whole with very little physical or mental adversity if he wished. Apart from the political type. I think it's a good thing in life to try as much as possible, to embrace the discomforts and trials and tribulations that will inevitably come our way. If we don't, many are going to come spectacularly unstuck when some major adversity hits and they wont have a clue how to deal with it.
Not everyone is so fortunate as to be naturally equiped and inclined to take such things in their stride, in a stoic manner, without having to put some work in, to try to get nearer to that.

Thanks for the further explanation. I had my concerns about querying your initial post in that you might inadvertently undermine my faith and positive regard for stoicism with any further replies. But I'm glad that has not been the case.Apologies, I really should’ve worded that better. I specifically mean the types who make stoicism their entire personality, have neither knowledge nor interest in any other philosophy, and probably aspire to drop a few grand on an “Alpha Males Bootcamp”.
You know the types I mean - we’ve all observed them online. People who use common sense to pick out the wisdom and discard the bollocks that are found in any and all philosophical systems are just dandy by me.
Again, apologies, I really should’ve been more specific
EDIT: Oh, and I should probably also make clear that I in no way revel in the “natural stoic” label. In fact I kinda hate being this way. I feel cut off from true emotion. Neutered.
I’d much, much rather experience life more fully, but I’m too distanced from feeling to feel much of anything. Be careful what you wish for…![]()