• LAVA Moderator: Shinji Ikari

Good Enough (Body)?

Sigh.....

Never fucking mind.

And you think you have seen anything yet?

I'd been looking after my health for a while, before I started with my beauty routine, as that has to come first. But now I'm starting to see the results of it and can't stop looking myself in the mirror. Indeed, I could barely get through last night's episode of EE today, as I had to keep taking breaks to look in the mirror.
 
I find you skinny as well neko tbph

i think thats pretty bang on perfect ratio of normal actually neko!

And to address the original poster's question: the above is a perfect example of how no woman will have have a body that perfect to all men's eyes because differnt men have differnt tastes. What one person think's is perfect can seem too fat or too skinny to another person. beauty is all in the eye of the beholder and goes so much further than skin deep. Concentrate of being healthy and happy, and find someone who finds you beautiful on the inside and out.

Thats all that fucking matters.
 
I can look beautiful, it just takes a lot of work.

Work to get the money for all my beauty care, and getting through the whole regime in a day, which can be a part-time job. Then again, putting it into perspective, spending half your time writing and half your time taking care of your body because you have nothing else to do isn't so bad.

I sometimes just don't care and find it hard to get motivated. But now I'm kind of tired of looking plain/shitty and want to spend some time looking my best. It has a profound impact on your life, that's for sure.

I've been detoxing and taking better care of my health since the end of August and this month I started grooming and a more extensive beauty regime (it's been partly successful so far, big lifestyle change). But if I can keep it up I reckon after 3 months time, or around Christmas, I should be decent enough that I can dye my hair lighter blond and start wearing make-up and styling my hair more esthetically (makes a big difference). Don't see the point of making that kind of effort before the fundaments are in place.

So we'll see how that turns out and if I can stay motivated long enough. Might sound strange, as every woman wants to be beautiful, but sometimes it's just not a priority. I'm also waiting for my hair to grow out as I had to cut over half of it off as it was so fried (due to poor health mostly).
 
You don't need to spend loads of money on beauty care products Ninae. Slapping all that shit on your face is the equivalent of guys using cologne to make themselves smell "good".. one covers up your natural radiance, the other covers up your natural scent. Sometimes it's nice to see a woman wear makeup.. I mean the woman I'm seeing just uses eye-liner every now and then, and it does work for her as she has amazing eyes. But for me personally I much prefer women without makeup. If your radiance and skin isn't that great at the moment don't put even more shit on it! All you need to do is eat healthy, drink water, exercise, and get rest.. the body will take care of itself. She doesn't have clear skin, but you know.. I do not fucking care. I find her so beautiful because of who she is inside. I mean she's cute physically.. and of course physical attraction plays its part, but it really is what's inside that matters most. You don't want to be with someone who just values the outside of your skin..

Every woman wants to be beautiful, because that's what you've been programmed to want. What women really want is to be desired and revered. You don't need makeup for that.
 
Well, I mostly meant healthfood and skin care products, which are very expensive, the good ones that work that is. I don't care that much for make-up, especially when someone looks shitty underneath and puts on a thick layer of cheap, badly applied make-up, it looks grotesque.

But the best skin-care products, a combination of natural ingredients like aromatherapy oils, and the new more scientific ones to keep your skin perfect and youthful, like retinoids, copper-peptides, collagen-serums, etc. are very expensive. Then there's things like acid treatments to re-new your skin and Oxygen facials, which are great, plus lots of technical gadgets I want, like Ozone wands, laser tools, micro-current, etc.

It is very expensive, just the day-to-day skincare with a high quality skincare line, which you also need. Most skin care products and make-up are toxic and make you age much faster. Oh, and hair care, and body care. Men I don't think have a clue of what this adds up to in a month (unless they're a bit "special").
 
I don't think a lot of men really care.. I mean I can only speak for myself here, but so long as she doesn't smell bad, brushes her teeth twice a day, washes her hair couple times a week.. that's enough for me. Women who become obsessed with their external appearance fail to see how their internal appearance is now changing.. they have become absorbed by this desire for image, in the same way male body builders get absorbed by their external form. They don't realize how ugly they've become inside.

Just eat, exercise and rest well, and wash every day. It's not much more difficult than that really.
 
Yes, but I kind of have the opposite problem. I've been so absorbed with inner development for so long I've neglected my health and apperance. And when you let yourself go for so long there's a lot to catch up with.

It's still a lot of work and time if you want to make the best of yourself. And if you want to age well you've got to start before you're 40. I prefer natural methods like facial massage and exercise to cosmetic surgery (it makes you look better and more natural). But doing all you can to look your best is a lot and there's a lot more work to do for women (who have long hair, use make-up, etc.).

Marilyn Monroe looked great, but like I said she also had a 90-minute make-up routine (don't know how you manage that, but she did look great, guess it's mostly about making the skin look perfect) and seemed to spend most waking moments when she wasn't working or had to fuck someone working on her appearance (gymnastics, facial exercise, daily enemas). Normal practice for Hollywood acctresses who were taught things like to eat salat every day for its anti-oxidants and cleansing enzymes, which make you look better.

She also had 5 plastic surgeries - enlarged eyes, raised eyesbrows (no adult has brows that high or eyes that wide), cheek implants, and nose and chin reductions. But she must have had a great surgeon as she looked great and very natural (after the swelling in the first years had gone down). She also had bleached hair. Still was beautiful before all that, though, just not the overwhelming goddess she turned herself into. Imagine if you had a girlfriend who did all that to herself even if she was fine to begin with.

So it's kind of upto yourself how good you want to make yourself look and how much time you want to spend on it. But the main part is really good health care. When someone looks unusually beautiful they're usually unusually healthy (even if they have an unhealthy lifestyle they were born with good health, which leads to good symmetry, beautiful skin, etc.)
 
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Well, I'm sort of, half-way happy with the way I look at the moment. Actually need to lose some weight, as after I started eating more nourishing food a couple of months ago I have gained a few kilos, and my ideal weight is around 57-60 kilos (though difficult to say as I am now gaining muscle from daily exercising).

So I'm still just working on the health/grooming part. Just started giving deep conditioning treatments to my hair. First when I feel satisfied will all this will I start to bother with Styling, or Make-Up, Hair Styling, Clothes, etc. That will have to come last.

I pretty much don't make any effort with my day-to-day presentation yet. Still managed to catch the new security guard's eye, though (in my apartment building), just the way his eyes lit up and his body language changed when he laid eyes on me, so I can't be that bad. He was stereotypically handsome, a bit boring for me (of course, I need crazy, not often heard of amounts of emotional and intellectual stimulation).

But I do like my "visual type" (blond, innocent, spiritual looking) and wouldn't want to change that.

If there's anyone I'd like to look like, I think it would be a young Linda Evans.

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Resembles me a bit here, but normally was untouchably, heavenly beautiful (living proof there's a God).

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Or Gunnhild Sundli, the otherwordly songstress - looks like an angel made flesh.

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Pamela Anderson also has that type of charisma and look (normally lost in too much "sexiness"). Though these days she looks a bit bitter and old, and she used to have this shining joy about her. But Hugh Hefner was right to compare her to Marilyn Monroe (the original blonde with angelic vibes).

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Both have a certain spiritual, soulful quality that can't be imitated.

I think someone has to be born that way (my mother was certainly like that - much more so than me with her singing angel voice - I always ask her to be my mother when I come to Earth). But she was also the woman I modelled myself on growing up, and I feel a certain love for women of that type, although she sacrificed herself up to the point it killed her.

Susan Dey also had that certain"vibe" (as to remind you there's a heaven).

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Is this anyone's type? (I mean of the men) If you could chose any type of woman? I know most "types" are subconscious.

That would be cool, as it seems like my unavoidable destiny (or to become better at it). But I know some (both men and women) who strongly dislike this type. They much prefer a more "wordly" personality type. Guess they just don't resonate with it and people can feel a strong dislike for that.

Although, in some instances, opposites can attract. Certainly have experienced this for myself - to be attracted to the more down-to-earth, primitive type (I can find love in my heart for all/they just give me an emotional high).

Oh well, you can't please everyone, so I better please myself first of all (bet you didn't expect this thread to get so deep).

And, for sure, some men reading will love this, while some will hate it with every fibre of their being - just as men can relate to women in such different ways. At least enjoy the pictures.
 
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But hips the size of Niagara Falls.

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And that's about as skinny as I can get.
 
And if anyone are somehow still not getting the picture (I know some freaks are still reading this):

I look shitty when I abuse my body and neglect my appearance. When I look after my health and take a minimum care of my appearance I look fine. I look GREAT when I do my best to look after myself and do my hair/make-up, etc. (shitty/great, shitty/great - see how that could create an imbalance in your mind?).

Or don't you understand it's confusing to be treated differently based on what you look like at different times? It's like living alternate lives. Most of the time I haven't been bothered to make sure I look my best, I've been focusing more on "inner development" (I can hear most men laughing), but now I'm starting to feel I have no choice since the advantages are just about worth it (yes, people really care that much about looks).

It just takes a fucking long time, and I'm more inclined towards thinking and daydreaming than performing practical tasks. I'm not like Madonna who likes to spend 1/3 of her day on taking care of her body. People don't think about how much work goes into it and think she just came out like that (she did after working as a professional dancer for years).

Anyway, this is a common dilemma. Men just expect you to do your best/look your best at all times and don't realise how much it actually takes (roll your hair - half an hour, do your make-up - half an hour, complete your skin and body care routine - half an hour (or do you like cellulite?), regular exercise or massage - an hour, facial exercise or massage - an hour). And that's only the basics, but they just take it for granted it will all be done.

I might start a thread about the best way to go around it as I have a tip or two. I'm also writing on a book about it, when I'm in the mood for it, still need to be doing something useful even when I'm on disability. And that's just as well as I obviously need the time. But to be realistic, taking care of the basics/necessities takes about 3 hours a day, while doing it all, like BOTH massage and exercise, plus the use of technical gadgets and professonal treatments, can easily take you 5 hours.

And if you're really stupid about it you can spend as much as 7-8 hours a day. Or what do you think those plastic dolls with plastic in their lips and boobs and a ton of make-up on do all day? (when they're not at their plastic surgeon). Do they look like they live for anything else? Not that they look good, as most plastic surgeons aren't on the level of those who do Hollywood stars. More like the one who brought boobs to Betty from the trailer park. And one of my ambitions is to stay away from the knife, as there's nearly always a better, and cheaper, alternative.

See, there's always still a core of something useful in what I write, so it's not a complete waste of time to read. And beauty, as well as youth, is imperative to the quality of a woman's life - at least on a social level. Even if many are trying to "come to terms with it", which mostly means being in denial, as few are so serene or un-earthly until you're ready to put the earthly life behind you (easier done when you're nearing the end of your life than when you have most of it ahead of you).
 
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Ninae: I'm one of those freaks still reading this. I'm curious because gfs of mine have talked about it, but it never made sense to me then. We couldn't seem to agree, but maybe you can explain it. I don't understand what you're getting at (or any woman) when you talk about looking your best. To me looking ones best is being in shape physically, mentally, and not being crazy. For a man or a woman, to be in shape physically, one or 2 hours per day of cardio/weights/stretching/yoga is sufficient. Do that and your body and complexion will be healthy and you shouldn't have any fat, folds, cellulite etc. You will be lean and have good muscle definition. Am I right? It works for me anyway. And don't go around in sweat pants and shower sandals (or Mukluks/Uggs).

Then all that other stuff you said about hours of massages and make up application makes no sense to me. Women look better with natural skin and little or no makeup , right? They do to me at least. Everything else is a waste of time and money.
 
I was joking about "Freaks", but the ones who keep reading my threads and hating them I find a bit weird, or self-contradictory.

I've never been as focused on my looks before. I guess you could say I'm like an anorexic, only not deluded, and it's not just about my weight but every single detail. Then again, I'm obsessive by nature, like in my quest to find God, etc. so this is par for the course and not just about my looks exactly.

Women DO have a lot more work to do to look "our best" owing to few factors.

Like, it's harder for us to maintain an ideal weight as we hold onto fat more, thus more time is spent on dieting and different ways of keeping our weight down. The female body also has parts that sag, as we have more fatty areas influenced by gravity, and need to fight that, plus we can also develop cellulite without enough exercise or a good diet (which is ugly).

Beautiful, flawless skin and hair in good condition is also a must, but is something that can take time depending on what nature gave you.

Youth, and keeping a smooth, young-looking skin, is also more important for women, as we look more unattractive aged (probably to do with fertility issues too).

Also, women have long hair which looks better styled into some kind beautiful structure, like curled into waves (curves versus straight can make a dramatic difference as curved lines are perceived as more beautiful) and arranged into a nice hairstyle, which takes time, but makes us look much better on the whole, which is something men don't have to deal with much.

We also have make-up, which can make a great difference to how you look, and even "natural" or invisible make-up can take a long time to put on (professional make-up that looks both beautiful and natural takes a long time). It doesn't need to be used to make you look "made up", just to perfect your skin, give some colour to your lips, and more definition to your eyes. (Beautiful, artistic eye-shadow is the only kind of visible make-up I really like, otherwise I use a lipstick the same shade as my own and wipe off the gloss, and make my own natural-looking mascara of honey, coconut fat, and dark brown powder).

Clothes and fashion are also more complicated and takes up more time for women.

This all takes up a long time put together. Much time exercising, grooming, and styling. I don't think men really realise as they've never had to try and manage such a schedule so they just consider one thing at the time (like "Why can't you exercise every day?") when it's really a lot put together and most men don't even have knowledge of all the beauty enhancing techniques in use by women (which would make you find us more attractive).

I agree health comes first, but that also takes time. Time to make healthy meals, to exercise, to do detoxifying treatments (which makes you look better and younger - toxins make you ugly, the ugliest addicts are the ones addicted to the most toxic drugs, like meth and alcohol), get massages to keep the tissues young and healthy, oxygen treatments (which are great and very detoxifying/rejuvenating), etc.

Then grooming, or a regular skin/body/hair care routine, can take up a lot of time in a day. Finally, styling, or the cherry on the cake, can easily take up an hour or more, if you want to do your hair, make-up, and outfit properly.

It's just life, but kind of mind-blowing to realise how much time those women who look their best and female celebrities (like Kylie Minogue) work for it, to look that good and keep their youth.

I feel completely over-whelmed by it all, but at the same time when you've grasped the beauty science you have the power to make the best of yourself, so that's a plus.

I can show you two examples of a woman looking her "natural best" and styled to death by professionals. This is also a good example of the differences in how I can look. Right now I look more on the level of the first picture, but if I work hard enough, who knows, I might be able to look as good as the second (or about as good as most can ever hope to look).

Though most of the time I wouldn't want the kind of attention that would bring (or jealousy in a boyfriend).

But at least I know the ABC...


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I also think most men would prefer the second version, even if they prefer the natural look, simply because it's more visually beautiful (if only there was a way to make it look more natural/less glamorous).
 
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This was the picture I meant to post.

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She has good, basic features, but is a bit plain and ordinary looking without something "extra", like a beautiful, wavy hair-style, or pretty make-up. Good example of what styling can do.

Or who would you rather be your girlfriend?

I have more beautiful eyes (without make-up) so I can do natural better. While her eyes are quite plain without make-up and most of the beauty of a face is in the eyes. Unless the eyes are beautiful, it doesn't matter if all the rest of the features are perfect, but that is a gift from God.


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Looks a bit happier, doesn't she?

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Brigitte Bardot, who was viewed as the most beautiful woman in the world at the time, was also all about styling. There are many woman who look that naturally pretty, but she was so exquisitely styled, beautiful, artistic hair-styles, make-up, and outfits, and that made all the difference.

And most of all that impressive mane of long, blond hair. For her it was very much about the hair. She was one of those who's not much without blond hair and looked quite plain as a natural brunette (while some look fabulous with dark hair).

I'm sticking to my blond hair, though, it has its advantages (instant attention, for sure), but most importantly it just feels more "me" as I was born with white hair. It's also naturally wavy, but rolled up waves look more beautiful, so I guess I'll have to start taking the time for that when I get that far.

I look okay with straight hair as my facial shapes are more rounded, but if you have a plain face you can't really afford to go with straight hair (helps a long way, like imitating beautiful eyes with eye make-up). But I have both better eyes and lips (than her).

I hate the silicon lips-look, it looks ridiculous. I luckily have naturally big lips, I just need to do some exercises to firm them up a bit as the corners are a bit droopy. But then they look perfect (at least to me) and a white woman can hardly have bigger lips.


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Women spend hours getting ready and "perfecting" their make up for their own insecurities and other women. In real life men aren't fooled that easily, despite what you read in glamour magazines. We can sum up a woman's tits, arse and pretty face within 30 seconds and know damn well what will confront us the next morning post coitus once the make up has been rubbed off onto our pillow and the dress you spent hours picking is thrown in a crumpled heap in the corner of the room.

You can't stage manage the perfect lighting or dictate the best side of your face to photograph if your hair is being blown on the back of a yacht or sitting in an outside cafe. If you want an honest professional opinion of your ideal beauty above I'd argue that she lacked a defined cuspids bow, the angle of her vermillion border was too flat, the buccal corridor of her smile is deficient and the golden proportion is completely wrong for her teeth. From a general perspective she suffers from resting bitch face when she doesn't smile, her foundation is too light causing shine and her eye lashes too thick and clumpy.

Would all this stop me taking her home at the end of the night? It depends or whether she could hold my interest for longer that 20 minutes during conversation. If she was witty and interesting and able to not check her phone once throughout the evening I would likely consider cooking her breakfast the next morning and drive her home rather than calling a cab.

Like it or not this sums up most men's feelings towards women...

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Some just make life sound so beautiful...

I'd be interested in seeing your response if a woman said the female equivalent to you (Like, "A man is worth nothing but a paycheck - problem?").

And some are really not boyfriend-material and rarely get to see the beautiful side of women - what you bring out of someone is largely down to you. Women give their best to men who make them feel happy.

I can make men happy because I truly have love for men. While I would question the same in you for women based on your words.

Some are just so destructively inclined you could offer them all the love and beauty in the world and they will just throw it in your face and spit on you. Moving on...
 
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Ninae: I prefer the woman who looks the most natural -- in the upper picture. She is definitely not plain or ordinary looking with or without makeup. The makeup doesn't and cant' change that. IMO, the heavily made up versions are only for going to weddings or something.


Maybe it's unusual, but I prefer to date hippy chicks who have naturally beautiful features and look good without makeup. I don't necessarily prefer hippies (there aren't many around here where I live) but it can be somebody who can go on a week long camping or back packing trip without taking a makeup kit with her and still look good. I think anybody with good features and who is in reasonably good state of physical fitness and who can relax and stop worrying about what everybody is going to think about her can do this.
 
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