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Good Enough (Body)?

Fix her teeth and we might talk


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This is my wife after God knows how many hours in our ensuite, following at least 4 outfit changes, while yelling at me every 15 minutes as I sit in a towel, that our cab will be here any minute. As much as I appreciate the effort it pales in beauty to watching her emerge from a tent with sea salty bed hair, no make up, dressed in knickers and a singlet. You'll hardly ever see vogue doing a camping on a deserted island spread though. Confidence and inner strength are far sexier to me than self doubt and insecurity.
 
Fix her teeth and we might talk

Her symmetry and perfect rounded shape is a female ideal few can live upto.

Then symmetry, or divine geometry, is a big thing for me. Lack of it makes me feel uncomfortable. Like I'm in a "wrong" world (not that I'm not).

I love cats with their perfect symmetry and beautiful curves. My current looks like he was drawn up by an artist and came out of a factory. Humanity is a bit screwed up like that (but then we are much more corrupt and don't exactly deserve divine forms).


Like Picasso said:

God experiemented until he felt satisfied.

First he created the Giraffe, then he created the Elephant, then he created the Cat.

I was going to say "Great minds think alike", but that would be too obvious, obviously.

This is an example of "human as art":


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I'm starting to feel happier with myself now as I've undone a lot of the damage I've done to my body.

Apart from the extra weight I've gained since I started eating more which gives me a fat face...and my hair is still too short....just starting to reach shoulder length. Can't wait to dye it lighter blond as I don't like having dark blond hair, in particular.

It will take some time (3 months or so) to get my body perfect though...or slim and firm with smooth skin all over.
 
Like this? :)


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Great, distinctive look.
Yeah, you've got the idea now. It is better to wear a garland of flowers you pick on a hike in an alpine meadow than to wear make up.

She would look good without or with make up. However, I can tell she is wearing some makeup for the camera, but her wearing makeup here is for the photography and lighting. She would not need it in real life.

The whole make up thing frightens me. To me, it screams of insecurity and materialism.

Another issue I have with make up is the time it takes. I would rather date somebody who spends that 3 hours a day doing activities that improve her mind and learning things rather than doing make up. To be blunt, the kind of women who spend hours on makeup comes across as stupid. I prefer to date intelligent women.
 
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Make-Up can be many things though...The kind you see the most of is someone with no make-up skills having spent 10 minutes putting on cheap make-up...which makes them look even worse than normal, and in no way natural.

But make-up is also an art/science (I've only recently started to appreciate this myself) and with high-quality make-up and techniques it's possible to lay a kind of natural-looking make-up that just enhances your beauty or makes you look naturally better.

Like I prefer to wear matte lipstick in a shade as close to mine as possible, wipe of the excess and put some powder on it and maybe seal it with a lipseal, so it just looks like my lips having more colour. The same can be done with mascara, if you're careful and use the right kind (homemade is better), and it's better to line up your eyes with a dark powder and a thin brush than with a hard pencil (that is usually badly drawn).

And most of all your skin can be improved/perfected with the right kind of make-up and technique (to hide old pimple scars, even out discolouration, give a better skintone, etc.). And this can actually make a great difference in how good someone looks, depending on the quality of their make-up, their knowledge of what they're doing, and the time they take (laying perfect make-up takes some time). So beauty-enhancing, natural-looking make-up that's hardly detectable can be done, it's just not so many that can do it.

But there's also another side to it, which is that make-up can be an art in itself, and done well by a professional can be like a beautiful painting on top of your face that is something separate from your own beauty, or can be washed off, but it can make for a beautiful visual in itself (this works better for evenings when it's not so clearly visible). There are especially many eye-shadow tecniques, like using three shades of the same colour down from your brow to your eyelid, which can be stunningly beautiful. But again, this is also quite rare to see in normal life.

So there are definitely uses for make-up, but it needs to be done WELL, or there's no point. At the moment I don't really need much of it, as living healthy and, especially, doing facial exercises and massage makes your skin and facial tissues really healthy, your eyes and skin are clair, so you look more like a child and don't really need the cover. But I still like to put some colour on my lips, use a kind of eyelash balm that makes my lashes naturally thick and darker, and some powder/concealer to avoid shinyness and hide some skin perfections. I look mostly make-up free, though.

But I'm interested in learning to do professional-looking make-up, and maybe get my make-up done for special occasions, as it's been developed into a real art now and can be very beautiful just by itself.

Here is that model with what looks like with and without make-up, though it's really with natural and more glamorous, but she looks great in both as she's had a great job:

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This is also a beautiful look:

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It's almost unlimited what can be done these days. The metallic shimmer can look enchanting on top of a beautiful face beautifully made up. I like shimmering, pale pastel colours, like light pink or violet a lot. Eyes are the only part I really like visibly made up, drawing attention to the eyes is also very powerful.

By the way, this model has such great symmetry, or divine geometry, coupled with the true energy of beauty I can meditate on pictures of her to raise my vibrations. This is also mostly where my interest in pictures of women lays.

Although I'm completely hetero-sexual, but females just happen to be able to express beauty in a better way (it's one of the feminine qualities).
 
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I agree that model is exceptionally beautiful with and without makeup. She has a unique, almost waifish look that is sublime in a non-sexual way.

Also, I don't think you don't have anything to worry about. I'm sure you have that kind of natural beauty and can look good without or with makeup.

What you wrote makes sense... and explains why most women look worse, even garish, with makeup the way the apply it -- they don't know what they're doing. It was really obvious in college when girls covered up their youthful glow only to make themselves look worse with cheap and badly applied makeup (and cheap, strong perfume). They were better off doing nothing.

Now you're talking about a different level of makeup. It sounds like what actresses and models and other performers would do for their work and what other people would only do for special occasions.
 
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It is on a different level (like bridal make-up can make the bride seem much more beautiful than usual).

It's part of what made people like Madonna so visually impressive (compared to what she would be like without). I haven't been really aware of it myself until more recently, studying the latest make-up techniques performd by professionals on celebrities. It's hard to get a real view of as most people in everyday-life apply their make-up so badly, but it can do miracles at the heighest levels, and like I said is a form of beauty of its own separate from the wearer.

Some of the same can be said about hair. Hairstyle and colour can make a huge difference to someone's look. In some cases, when it's particularly beautiful, it can account for 50% of a woman's beauty - the hair structure is so beautiful in itself.

I don't think it necessarily makes someone stupid to spend time on make-up, that's a generalisation, and it actually takes a lot of knowledge to know how to apply it well. Spending 1 1/2 hours on make-up a day isn't really any worse than a guy spending 2 hours at the gym every day to build muscles. It can make more difference to a woman's appeal, as muscles don't really help unless a guy is otherwise attractive, while high-level make-up can make a woman more actually beautiful.

I wouldn't say it's a waste of time, like hair and fashion it can just be a personal interest, though I wouldn't personally want to spend that much time on it.

I agree about young women and make-up. The worst are emos or goths who hide their youthful face beneath thick layers of powder, lipstick, and eye make-up. Waste of youth. Make-up science has also evolved a lot since the 50s or 60s when it was more simple and not as sophisticated as now.

Although some, like Marilyn Monroe, knew how to perform great make-up (but then she didn't have many other interests). And it can take up a long time, especially if you want it to look natural, like painstakingly dividing up the lashes with a pin to make it look natural, etc.

This is a good make-up job on a teenager:





The gloss is a bit much but draws attention to her amazing lips and beautiful teeth - though she would of course look good in nothing.
 
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There is NOTHING wrong with having a personal interest in make-up and fashion. I take pride in that fact that I embrace a very natural look when it comes to beauty, and I embrace the idea that less is more. But even I really enjoy getting all fancy sometimes and going the extra mile with my hair and make up. Even though I love the natural look I am also pretty artsy and love to have fun with color in eye shadow and stuff like that. And on the other side there are times where I am feeling more self conscious and will go the extra mile to hide my imperfections like acne or scars, because confidence in your physical appearance can equate to more confidence in your inner self.

Just make sure you are doing these things for you, and that you still try to love all of your self. Nobody is perfect and no woman should be expected to be perfect.
 
Well said, you can be a philosophy major and still passionate about beauty and fashion. And it's normal for women to have an interest in it, at least if you can hope to look good.

This is an example of too much (even though professional), though. Too heavy make-up and too much contouring. Especially when it looks like she's had cheek implants to give her unrealistically high cheekbones (like many a Hollywood actress) already.


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Shame, as she has great skin and is a great natural beauty as she is, less can be more.
 
Women spend hours getting ready and "perfecting" their make up for their own insecurities and other women. In real life men aren't fooled that easily, despite what you read in glamour magazines. We can sum up a woman's tits, arse and pretty face within 30 seconds and know damn well what will confront us the next morning post coitus once the make up has been rubbed off onto our pillow and the dress you spent hours picking is thrown in a crumpled heap in the corner of the room.

You can't stage manage the perfect lighting or dictate the best side of your face to photograph if your hair is being blown on the back of a yacht or sitting in an outside cafe. If you want an honest professional opinion of your ideal beauty above I'd argue that she lacked a defined cuspids bow, the angle of her vermillion border was too flat, the buccal corridor of her smile is deficient and the golden proportion is completely wrong for her teeth. From a general perspective she suffers from resting bitch face when she doesn't smile, her foundation is too light causing shine and her eye lashes too thick and clumpy.

Would all this stop me taking her home at the end of the night? It depends or whether she could hold my interest for longer that 20 minutes during conversation. If she was witty and interesting and able to not check her phone once throughout the evening I would likely consider cooking her breakfast the next morning and drive her home rather than calling a cab.

Like it or not this sums up most men's feelings towards women...

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"Resting bitch-face" lmao,I find your whole opinion on this wonderful, both in its honesty and its straightforwardly coherent presentation:). I read this whole thread now and had it not been for this gem of yours, right up there^^, I'd be privy to believe it was utterly in vain. ANd no, this most certainly is not my being sarcastic. You got the gold star wth resting bitch face though,lol.:)
 
You seem to have missed out on his thinly veiled (if even that) misogony.

This is more like his ideal of "A woman who hasn't let herself go". Bones jutting out and most of the natural muscle-ass eaten itself (especially bearing in mind tall women tend to have quite substantial muscle mass).

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One of the most severe victims of Anorexia in the fashion industry. But "Encouraging Anorexia or equating it with health is good for men" - never mind it ruins the life of so many women. An admirable attitude, for sure, women should exist solely to please men.

Still, it takes all sorts. I just have more respect for myself than to find that kind of thing amusing and have no interest in perpetuating this tragic war between the sexes. Though I've come to realise a great many men are quite deprived when it comes to these things - "A woman is just something to be used and anyone thinking otherwise needs to wake up and face reality". Ahh, how beautiful, but luckily there are those who make up for it and are actually worth your time.

And "Resting bitch face" is just another offensive description of women. At least I have better things to do than think of equivalents for men (which I doubt they'd appreciate). But you're welcome to it if it's what does it for you.


P.S. No need for anyone to get all riled up and offended.

It's just my personal feelings, and I think it was justified, but I've no interest in starting a fight (nothing that bores me more) - plus no one cares about what I think.
 
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Looking over this thread, the body type comparisons, like Helena Christensen were pretty spot-on, but facially there aren't really anyone who looks much like me, I have my own individual look.

The closest in "type" would be the likes of Kylie Minogue and Kate Bosworth...and the pure and innocent type (has served me well on many occasions as no one can believe I would be capable of doing anything wrong). Well, in some cases appearances are deceptive.

Think this is the closest I've come over up until now (in "personal energy" too):


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I would love to show you all what I look like when I'm finally happy with myself, but given the number of crazy people on this site, with all the crazy/borderline-criminal things I've said, I wonder if it's such a good idea. And there are few I would trust in private not to share it with the whole site.

Oh well, guess you'll just have to fantasise. But when your best potential is something like that you've also got to understand I feel compelled to reach it. It's an inspiration, at least.

Just waiting for the first person to say "But Kate Bosworth is ugly". She's certainly not, though I can see she's had some work done - cheek implants, lip injections, and nose-reductions (possibly as many as 3 as is becoming common for female celebrities these days).
 
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My nose could be smaller, but my lips and eyes are big too (everything is big on me), so they're in proportion and do I really need a little button nose?

Most female celebrities have nosejobs done these days (to look good on camera). Especially the blond or Northern European type, who tends to have larger features, with the nose in proportion to the rest. Mediterraneans and Eastern Europeans tend to have more delicate features.

A more recent development, though, is to have as many as 3 nose-reductions until all end up with the same uncharacteristic, little, shapeless stub of a nose (Her nose is barely larger than one of her eyes in that picture). Just ends up with everyone looking the same and very generic.

Madonna, has for instance, minimised her nose in her later years, but she actually looked much better with her older nose, even if it was a bit larger it was in proportion with the rest of her face. It was more distinctive and gave her face more character. Now she's lost a lot of what gave her face identity, so smaller isn't always best. And as small as Kate Bosworth or Emma Rigby look ridiculous. Most have noses are bit large and don't look perfect for the camera (it makes it look much larger than in real life, so most models need nose-jobs).

I like to do stroking exercises to slim the nose and refine the shape instead (I can give you a few if you're interested). It can replace plastic surgery, as one of the things a doctor can do when he wants to slim your nose is to pull the sides of your nose inside of it, often ending up with a "pinched" look. But if you spend some time stroking the sides of your nose everyday, it will eventually start to cave in and more of the nose walls will be on the inside of your nose. You can also use it to make it more pointy and give it a sharper tip.
 
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Where is this source for your claim that "most celebrities have cosmetic surgery"? Believe it or not on a planet of 6 billion people, natural variance means that there exists naturally women with small noses and thin body frames who also don't starve themselves for their art. You like to accuse me of being mysoginistic when reality is as a father and faithful husband I am far more supportive of women than an insecure girl on the Internet with a collection of photos, who must find fault in any beautiful woman she feels she can't compete with naturally.

My daughters biggests critic isn't the glamour magazines portraying a perfect look, or even groups of men on the street judging her tits, arse or hair. It is other women who see each other as some sort of competitive threat, bitching behind her back at the clothes she wears or that rather than training 3 times a week as a black belt, she must have some sort of eating disorder. She is just lucky to have my genes, which means eat drink, be merry and having a great body comes naturally. I'm sure is she used celebrities as a measuring gauge to her own beauty she would be racked with insecurities too, but the only person she needs to convince that she is pretty is herself.

As for your cosmetic trick of combing your nose with your fingers, good luck with that. The only thing you will wear down is a thin layer of dead dermal cells.
 
Of course I wouldn't expect you to admit to anything but you were the one who said, "Why hadn't she just let herself go in the second picture" - which would be obvious to a sound mind - that she HASN'T.

(You kind of baffle me as most men aren't pro-Anorexia in such a shameless way).

While here, she looks a shadow of herself. Bones sticking out, muscle-mass wasted and much less than normal, smaller breasts than what's natural to her (she's a very big girl by nature). And she looks neither healthy or happy.

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And, now, only a sick mind would think of this as "Having let herself go". How in heaven's name? She's perfectly healthy, looks like she gets daily exercise, not a gram of excess fat and firmer than most females could hope to be at any point in their lifetime. Just with her naturally larger bone-built/muscle-mass (tall women/models as her also tend to have naturally large muscle-mass).

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(You're idea of "letting herself go" while she barely has a minimum layer of fat and is as slim as she can be with her naturally large (in terms of bone-structure and muscle-mass) built.

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She looks as perfect as she can here, for her natural built, she can barely get any thinner without her body starting to eat her own muscles. So even if it's not to your personal taste, why not just move onto someone with a more delicate built, like someone like Brigitte Bardot or Vanessa Paradis, who don't need to starve themselves to live upto your ideal, instead of asking for the imposible?

As to going out of my way to faind faults with other women, you're well off track. More than anything I celebreate female beauty, that's why I post pictures of exceptionally beautiful women, which most females wouldn't enjoy. Like the exquisite model you could only notice for her imperfect teeth (so not much ability to appreciate female beauty to begin with). While many women, like my sister, who's pretty enough, like an 8, only seems to feel displeasure being confronted by other beautiful women.

I just don't have this problem, so I'm not sure what their problem is, but guess envy runs pretty deep. I guess some women just can't bear being reminded there are women more beautiful than them in the world, but I'm not envious like that, I'm just happy for them and enjoy their beauty (yes, this is also possible). While most women DISLIKE seeing pictures of women more beautiful than themselves - but why be so insecure?

I just appreciate them like a work of art and like to study them in an objective way, what makes them beautiful, but also the lengths they have to go to to appear that beautiful, also so other women can understand and not feel as hopeless. And yes, models and actresses have had plastic surgery performed since the 50s, long before it became available to the general population, as it's hard to look good on camera, even if you're beautiful in real life.

It's a business of GLAMOUR, all smoke and mirrors, and you're sadly deluded if you think it's all real. Talk to anyone in the business and they would laugh, and it's very unhealthy for normal women to compare themselves with these role-models, who are much more beautiful than most to begin with.

I just don't understand what you're agenda is. You seem to want to hold up an impossibly high standard for women and make them feel bad about themselves if they can't reach it. Does this bring you some kind of pleasure (knowing for women this is a weak spot)? At least I'm realistic, and understand all that goes into it, being a woman and having studid the beauty schedules and procedures that have been performed on many "Stars" (things like nose-jobs and cheek-implants are almost obligatory - and have been for a long time - could show you many examples if I could be bothered).

And no offense to your wife, but I'm in a slightly different league, and don't suffer so much in that department as long as I do my best. I'm just an aeshetician, or lover of beauty, and to me it can never be too much. But maybe this is the root of the attitude you take towards women - you're unsatisfied with your wife and like to take it out on other women with your impossible demands. I've known types like you, who like to encourage anorexia, and would like unhealthy and unrealistic demands like that to become the standard. This is hardly fair on other women, though, is it? But some seem to take a sadistic pleasure in this.

And it's never going to become the common ideal. But what disturbs me about you the most is your seemingly lack of love for women and rejoicing in seeing a women as just a piece of meant to be use. While killing themselves living upto impossible standards imposed upon them by men and society.

What do you have to offer women, that's so precious, I wonder?

But the crux of the matter is that you're confusing personal taste with what's healthy/normal/ideal for women. You might like the pornstar look, with huge curves on a tiny body, and not much else. But not many women are built that way and will never be, no matter how much they starve themselves.

So it's mindless to hold that up as an ideal, especially for Northern European women. Eastern Rueopean, Meditarranean, Latin, are a bit closer. If that's your taste that's fine, but don't use it to terrorise other women with your unrealistic ideals.

Just look at what you like to see instead, there are plenty of those to, and you're obviously not a HC type of guy.

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Happy now? That's because it's their natural built and takes no effort to uphold. Look for someone like that instead.

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I could starve myself into a skeleton and I still woulnd't look like that. So I just have to accept it and find a guy who has it more to his taste. And that goes for any other women in a similar situation.

Ever heard of the phrase "A form of beauty in any woman"? For the one who has eyes to enjoy.
 
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it's very unhealthy for normal women to compare themselves with these role-models, who are much more beautiful than most to begin with.

Yet you have spent this entire thread comparing yourself from everyone to Bridget Bardot to Helena Christiansen like a demented crazy lady.

I've known types like you, who like to encourage anorexia, and would like unhealthy and unrealistic demands like that to become the standard

I'm pretty sure you are the only one calling these models anorexic, placing unwarranted pressures on a woman because she happens to be thinner than you could ever hope to be. Skinny shaming shows just as much insecurity as fat shaming.

What do you have to offer women, that's so precious, I wonder?

They usually come to me for botox and dermal filler among other cosmetic treatments. Anyone who shows up with a twisted sense of self worth and a scrapbook full of idols usually get shown the door as I don't need the heartache
 
Yet you have spent this entire thread comparing yourself from everyone to Bridget Bardot to Helena Christiansen like a demented crazy lady.

It's simply my honouring of the female beauty of the world plus letting others get a chance to look at it. I get this a foreign concept in your reality. But I love beautiful women and am happy for them. It's your lack of love for women that boggles my mind, not even all these beautiful pictures can placate you (I keep a colllection, like a little girl collects Barbie dolls).


I'm pretty sure you are the only one calling these models anorexic, placing unwarranted pressures on a woman because she happens to be thinner than you could ever hope to be. Skinny shaming shows just as much insecurity as fat shaming.

When did this come to be about my weight? I can be as skinny as I like. 60 kilos on average, 55 if I get on a liquid diet of juices for a few weeeks, hardly takes a genius does, it? And I obviously love models so this is all in your own mind. And "skinny-shaming", a new misogonystic word invented for your own purposes.
 
Yet you have spent this entire thread comparing yourself from everyone to Bridget Bardot to Helena Christiansen like a demented crazy lady.

It's simply my honouring of the female beauty of the world plus letting others get a chance to look at it. I get this is a foreign concept in your reality. But I love beautiful women and am happy for them. It's your lack of love for women that boggles my mind, not even all these beautiful pictures can placate you (I keep a colllection, like a little girl collects Barbie dolls).


I'm pretty sure you are the only one calling these models anorexic, placing unwarranted pressures on a woman because she happens to be thinner than you could ever hope to be. Skinny shaming shows just as much insecurity as fat shaming.

When did this come to be about my weight? I can be as skinny as I like. 60 kilos on average, 55 if I get on a liquid diet of juices for a few weeeks, hardly takes a genius does, it? And I obviously love models so this is all in your own mind. And "skinny-shaming", a new misogonystic word invented for your own purposes.

It's your lack of love for women (for some reason) that disturbs me.

And if it's escaped you, I'm writing on a book on female beauty, learning women to make the best of themselves mostly withoutn plastic surgery (this will be my service to humanity as we all know shitty looking women get treated like shit) and am enclosing a section of beauty icons.
 
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Let's call it a truce, and I'll show you a gallery of one of the most naturally beautiful women who's come and gone (of Scandinavian heritage, but showing more Alpine characteristics), before cosmetic surgery became common and someone like that was a sight to behold.

The point is, there are two kinds of female built, tending to come from certain parts of the world, with their own advantages and disadvantages. The northern type, tall, strong round breasts and a meaty figure. And the southern (or eastern european, latin) type, less voloptuous, but with a more delicate and feminie built and rounded shapes.

Sounds like you have a preference for the southern type, so why not just stick to that and leave the others, who simply don't fit the bill, alone? My personal ideal is something in between, or something in between Helena Christensen and Brigitte Bardot. Madonna would be a good example.

As would Julie Ege, who had it all, both face and body. Her figure displayed a rare harmony and perfection, both fitness yet voloptuous softness, feminine curves with perfect proportions (A Bond Girl - the elite's plaything in the 70s).

A sight to behold, both for male and female - and one of the few I really envy - why can't we all just be built like that?


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A rare beauty and a good roll in the hay. But I doubt she'd be good enough for you - the freak that you are - but most would love to dive into this gem.
 
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