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parttime crackhead said:
That was a decade ago (probably more). I'm talking more recently. Anyone loved by the press (& the charts ie teenage birds buying the singles) has been shite. I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head as I didn't pay too much attention to the pish. In fact, Drake - He's being touted as being amazing apparently. He's utter garbage.

Re the set in my ways thing. Not at all. I'm all for something new sounding, as long as that thing sounds good. You seem to be doing the opposite of what you're accusing me of, just liking this pish because it's "different".
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You're all for something new sounding as long as it fits in what what you already like you mean? When was the last time you stepped out of your pre-made musical comfort zone and enjoyed an artist that was different? I'm not liking him purely because he was different, I heard him on a mix and thought this is good, then I found out who he was. I don't even know who Drake is, but a few years ago the person they were touting big was Kanye West... Kanye who?
 
"Man On Wire"

On August 7, 1974, Philippe Petit, a French wire walker, juggler, and street performer days shy of his 25th birthday, spent 45 minutes walking, dancing, kneeling, and lying on a wire he and friends strung between the rooftops of the Twin Towers. Uses contemporary interviews, archival footage, and recreations to tell the story of his previous walks between towers of Notre Dame and of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, his passions and friendships, and the details of the night before the walk: getting cable into the towers, hiding from guards, and mounting the wire. It ends with observations of the profound changes the walk's success brought to Philippe and those closest to him.
 
The Power Priniciple

Along similar lines to The Power of Nightmares and its ilk only not made by Adam Curtis. Tis a goody though. Reminded me of The Corporation in its presentation (which is a Good Thing). Noam Chomsky is one of the interviewees so...

PS: Dark Days (as mentioned above) is a classic of the documentary genre and no mistake, missus.

PPS: On the Danny Brown debate, had never heard of him. Then got bored of reading of him in this 'ere thread so listened to a few tracks. Pure shite. Can kindasorta see why folks may go in for it... but it really is utter dross tbh.
 
Shambles said:
PPS: On the Danny Brown debate, had never heard of him. Then got bored of reading of him in this 'ere thread so listened to a few tracks. Pure shite. Can kindasorta see why folks may go in for it... but it really is utter dross tbh.
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Why's it dross though? I know nothing about hip hop, never listen to it, so I don't know good from bad, the only criticism I could level at him is that he has a whiny voice. But can those who know hip hop explain why he's shite?
 
knockando said:
Why's it dross though? I know nothing about hip hop, never listen to it, so I don't know good from bad, the only criticism I could level at him is that he has a whiny voice. But can those who know hip hop explain why he's shite?
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It's nothing to do with liking hip hop or not really. There are plenty of people within the hip hop industry who love this guy, but he is like marmite.

It's not that difficult to level criticism at someone you don't like in music, for whatever reason. For instance I don't like 50 cent because he is repetitive and monotonous, he mumbles through a lot of his lines, and he is sold purely on his generic gangsta image. See, that wasn't so hard now was it? I'm pretty sure that they don't like him because his raps are all over the place, non-conventional and non-formulaic - he doesn't really follow Iambic pentameter very much, along with his high voice rapping style (I have noticed the majority of the rappers we like in common have deep bassy voices - Biggie, Method man etc. ) I like him for these reasons, but they apparently dislike him for these reasons. It makes him sound flippant and a bit mental. I also like the story of the album, along with the uniqueness of some of his lines "You softer than Flanders Son" haha.

I don't know if they listened to it beyond the first half of the album, because he switches up his style in the middle.
 
On the topic of documentaries, I watched this yesterday:

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I'm obviously not fashion conscious in the slightest, but it was interesting watching someone so dedicated to their work for decade after decade. He is a proper nice guy! It's cool to watch someone march to the beat of their own drum for once.
 
^ Watched that a while back and agree, Knock. Have no interest in fashion but do have an interest in photography and he's clearly an incredibly influential photographer in his field. Liked his style if not his pix particularly.

ColtDan said:
"Hitler's Children"
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Watched that this afternoon. Was pretty good. Such a shame that the sins of the fathers are still managing to fuck with folk all these years later :\

knockando said:
Why's it dross though? I know nothing about hip hop, never listen to it, so I don't know good from bad, the only criticism I could level at him is that he has a whiny voice. But can those who know hip hop explain why he's shite?
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For me, it's cos I really don't like the music/beats he uses, his lyrics are crap and his delivery irritating. Just don't see anything new or original about his stuff at all. I did only listen to a coupla tracks though so maybe just happened across him at his worst. Also, I'm not exactly an expert on the genre so may well be "wrong" on all of that. I do like a lil of the ol' hippity hop though and he just did nowt for me. Didn't get the Aesop Rock (a fave of mine) comparison at all either.
 
Shambles said:
For me, it's cos I really don't like the music/beats he uses, his lyrics are crap and his delivery irritating. Just don't see anything new or original about his stuff at all. I did only listen to a coupla tracks though so maybe just happened across him at his worst. Also, I'm not exactly an expert on the genre so may well be "wrong" on all of that. I do like a lil of the ol' hippity hop though and he just did nowt for me. Didn't get the Aesop Rock (a fave of mine) comparison at all either.
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I wasn't directly comparing Aesop Rock to him, I brought him up because he shares the same progressive rap genre. I liked the lyrics/beat from both the first half of the album and the second half. The first half is sort of 'up' and rapped in a higher more frenetic way and the second half is 'down' and deals with stuff like stealing scrap metal to buy drugs with his family - it's sort of presenting both sides of the coin when it comes to drug use and that life. I think people would prefer the second half, but I understand why people get annoyed with it though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ-rgTBqAEk - totally different person. I realise no amount of explaining is going to change your mind if you just don't like it though. But there aren't many different styles that I have just liked straight away. Your ear just can't be used to hearing those sounds the first time sometimes.
 
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That was one of the tracks I listened to actually, Mr SB. Still not doing owt for me though. If he's trying to do something new then good for him but it honestly does just sound like pretty generic stuff to me. Taste being a subjective kinda thang and all that I'm sure we can all agree to differ and get back to documentary recommendations soon enough ;)
 
Gonna suggest these again, cos theyre so good = Scratch and Man On Wire
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I also like the story of the album, along with the uniqueness of some of his lines "You softer than Flanders Son" haha.

I don't know if they listened to it beyond the first half of the album, because he switches up his style in the middle.
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I only skipped through it because the cunt was fucking irritating. It's like, if I fired on a Spice Girls album I wouldn't listen to it in it's entirety just to make sure it's not total shite before throwing it away. Danny Brown = total shite.

You softer than Flanders son is an OK punchline. I could come up with that, hardly anything spectacular. Go listen to Big L reference Beavis & Butthead then come back to me & tell me that Danny Brown is "unique". He's not, he's just pish.
 
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