Good alternative script for anxiety/racing mind instead of a benzo

[Jnowhere]

Of what?

 

[MedicinalUser247]

Buspar.

 

[marcoman]

Looked into Buspar, as from my readings it sounded like a possible good replacement. Sadly, it's also a respiratory depressant.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

Yes, but not too much of a respiratory depressant. Different drugs have different levels of effects.

 

[marcoman]

I'm so pissed, chitty azz' doc took me off my kpins and I feel like crap. It's been 4 months without them. I have no choice but to schedule with a shrink I guess but not real sure any will give me valium's or k pins ( my 2 choices that work best for me) This is total bullshit . I'm almost 67 years old and doctor shopping like a junkie. I've taken k pins for over 8 years and the oxys on and off for years as well, the last two years constantly with my benzo. And both were same mg's and 3x a day, that never changed. Any doc should see the combo fkn worked, I didn't fkn OD and I didn't build up a tolerance where I needed more. So WTF. This is bullshit. I just want my low doses of oxys (5mg 3x aday) and .5 of k pins 3x a day) or Valium would be fine too..5 or 10mg 3x) And yes, being an old guy I have very good insurance, dual coverage actually, Humana Gold with Medicaid as my backup. I don't pay nothing for anything really, ER, ambulance rides, surgery, etc etc. What Humana doesn't cover, Medicaid does. But WTF, do I just start doctor shopping like crazy? I'd read a lot here and other places online for info and only want the oxycodone with a benzo ( k pins or Vs) this country is whacked. And these fkn docturds' are the biggest drug abusers themselves but won't hand it out to those who need it. It forces an old fck like me to go look for it on the streets ...which is far from safe

 

[Coffeeshroom]

One thing i have noticed is that as soon as you start mentioning alternative meds or talk about meds like you have some knowledge of them then they try and cut you of immediately or try to tell you in some nice way they cant help you lol, well so is that way here i have noticed but then if you take drive just across the train tracks and they will prescribe you almost anything.

OT. if you want to try another benzo that most docs dont mind prescribing is Urbanol (clobazam) a very safe benzo

 

[SuperPsych]

Hydroxyzine is what my Doctor recently prescribed me for anxiety as I've had bad reactions to SSRIs and have past issues with Benzos. Hydroxyzine is an antihistamine that actually works pretty well for anxiety and isn't as sedating as Denadryl or doxylamine. I can take it during the day and not be too groggy. Gabapentin can also help but can have some side effects after being on it for a while as well as being addictive. After being on it for some months I started to get mood swings so I stopped. It worked especially well for social anxiety though. I had no issues talking to people I didn't know or even public speaking in front of a group. I want to get back on it but dont have insurance at the moment

 

[marcoman]

One thing i have noticed is that as soon as you start mentioning alternative meds or talk about meds like you have some knowledge of them then they try and cut you of immediately or try to tell you in some nice way they cant help you lol, well so is that way here i have noticed but then if you take drive just across the train tracks and they will prescribe you almost anything.

OT. if you want to try another benzo that most docs dont mind prescribing is Urbanol (clobazam) a very safe benzo

Thanks for commenting. Yeah I'm starting to really freak out a bit. No benzos in 4 months now nd I'm feeling it. I never heard of Urbanol (clobazam) thanks I'll look it up. My docturds' issues is scripting benzos or anything else that contraindicates with my oxy script. And BTW I take a mere 5mg 3x a day of oxy for pain management. I'm worried the beach' is going to cut off my oxys next. And to be honest I think she's on something or a bunch of stuff as shes pretty odd and often has a different mentality when I see her her every 3 months. Fck, she might be pounding down gummies at work, who knows ! I say go for it but don't fck with my damm scripts.

 

[marcoman]

Hydroxyzine is what my Doctor recently prescribed me for anxiety as I've had bad reactions to SSRIs and have past issues with Benzos. Hydroxyzine is an antihistamine that actually works pretty well for anxiety and isn't as sedating as Denadryl or doxylamine. I can take it during the day and not be too groggy. Gabapentin can also help but can have some side effects after being on it for a while as well as being addictive. After being on it for some months I started to get mood swings so I stopped. It worked especially well for social anxiety though. I had no issues talking to people I didn't know or even public speaking in front of a group. I want to get back on it but dont have insurance at the moment

Yeah, I went through the SSRI regimens years ago and hated the fkn things. Benzos are what my body needs and specifiically klonopin (clonazapam) or valium. Xanax hits me too fast and I dont like the crash and ambien does nothing for me. Weird, I know. K pins are nice as they are long lasting and V's about the same, so those 2 are my babies of choice.

I haven't heard of Hydroxyzine, thanks, I'll look it up too. I tried gabapentin and hated it, sleepy AF and brain fog bad...plus my doc wouldn't script that one for me either. It's a damm shame they let old guys like me suffer when I've taken certain drugs that help me - yet they cut you off. Like I said, all they do is make the drug problem worse and send people to the streets to get what they need. Even old fcks like me. LOL

 

[SuperPsych]

Yeah, I went through the SSRI regimens years ago and hated the fkn things. Benzos are what my body needs and specifiically klonopin (clonazapam) or valium. Xanax hits me too fast and I dont like the crash and ambien does nothing for me. Weird, I know. K pins are nice as they are long lasting and V's about the same, so those 2 are my babies of choice.

I haven't heard of Hydroxyzine, thanks, I'll look it up too. I tried gabapentin and hated it, sleepy AF and brain fog bad...plus my doc wouldn't script that one for me either. It's a damm shame they let old guys like me suffer when I've taken certain drugs that help me - yet they cut you off. Like I said, all they do is make the drug problem worse and send people to the streets to get what they need. Even old fcks like me. LOL

I agree, it's pretty messed up that they can have you on something for so long and then just take it away, especially if you were taking it and didn't need to increase dosage or anything. The dosages you said they had you on were nothing crazy. I'm sorry that they did that to you. The healthcare system needs drastic overhaul.

Hydroxyzine is worth looking into I think. Not as effective as benzos but it does help and has minimal side effects.

 

[Dextro .45]

Clonidine 0.1mg tablet are non controlled substances and any walkin clinic will script you ten tablets of so....even half a scored tablet is effective for a 240lbs 6' man 30min before bed.

Reduces norepinephrine lowering BP & HR rapidly.....a VERY potent anxiolytic medication (off-label) can easily go head to head with any benzo Valium (Diazepam)

Even better is soooo rapidly acting reaching C-Max in less then an hour I'd say.....20min onset, 30min full effects. Benzo is like an hour

Passion Flower natural health suppliment in tincture glass bottle with ml dropper. Passion Flower has robust anxiolytic & sedative properties. It's a GABA-A Agonist / PAM same MOA as benzodiazepines.....any health suppliment store will carry. Tincture works faster than dry plant material in jel cap. Tincture is concentrated solution of active compounds/ API

 

[Psynaught]

Seroquel will shut those thoughts right down. That is what most psychs will put you on, but it is not a decision to be taken lightly. It is no fun so not addictive, although eventually you will need it to sleep. You only want to take it right before bed.

 

[Jnowhere]

Chlorpromazine (Thorazine, Largactil) works VERY well for anxiety for me. It works just as well as a benzo, but it's non-addictive. You don't get any of the pleasant/recreational feeling you get with a benzo like feeling all warm and lovely, but it will eliminate that anxiety!

Yeah, but have you studied the side effects, permanent ones. Can be sometimes treated but usually irreversible. Tardive dyskinesia:
Involuntary movements; of the tongue, limbs, neck, facial muscles, trunk muscles. But estimates range at worst to only 20% of patients get this. It can happen usually after long term use, but sometimes short term use.
But permanent: involuntary lip smacking, grimacing, and all sorts of involuntary facial and muscle movements; won't cause anxiety, or will it?

C.E. You have bitched and moaned about American health care and you are on a first generation anti psychotic, straight outta of the dark ages of psychiatric medications?

Yeah, UK health care rules. Fuck the side effects, cost is their only concern.

Edit: also have you heard of the Thorazine Shuffle, probably related to Chorea. Look it up along with all the other side effects. I would definitely take a hard pass on that one or any 1st generation anti psychotics.

Even the 2nd generation ones have potentially bad side effects.
So do your self a favor bro, research these meds before you start taking them. Then weigh the risks and the benefits before you dive head first into these drugs.
Besides even I know you are not psychotic.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yeah, but have you studied the side effects, permanent ones. Can be sometimes treated but usually irreversible. Tardive dyskinesia:
Involuntary movements; of the tongue, limbs, neck, facial muscles, trunk muscles. But estimates range at worst to only 20% of patients get this. It can happen usually after long term use, but sometimes short term use.
But permanent: involuntary lip smacking, grimacing, and all sorts of involuntary facial and muscle movements; won't cause anxiety, or will it?

C.E. You have bitched and moaned about American health care and you are on a first generation anti psychotic, straight outta of the dark ages of psychiatric medications?

Yeah, UK health care rules. Fuck the side effects, cost is their only concern.

Edit: also have you heard of the Thorazine Shuffle, probably related to Chorea. Look it up along with all the other side effects. I would definitely take a hard pass on that one or any 1st generation anti psychotics.

Even the 2nd generation ones have potentially bad side effects.
So do your self a favor bro, research these meds before you start taking them. Then weigh the risks and the benefits before you dive head first into these drugs.
Besides even I know you are not psychotic.

I'm only on a first-generation anti-psychotic because I specifically REQUESTED Chlorpromazine, not because I was given it as an only option.
I fully DID research the meds before I took them - I do with all meds I take - and it's worth it for me. I don't have any side effects.

You're defensiveness about America is REALLY fucking weird. You know that YOU are not in charge of U.S. healthcare, right? Meaning, it's not a personal attack on you. And what I actually did was state a FACT, not a personal opinion. The U.S. ranks dead last in the developed world in healthcare when it comes a cost, results, efficiency, and customer satisfaction.

 

[Conky]

Chlorpromazine (Thorazine, Largactil) works VERY well for anxiety for me. It works just as well as a benzo, but it's non-addictive. You don't get any of the pleasant/recreational feeling you get with a benzo like feeling all warm and lovely, but it will eliminate that anxiety!

Yes chlorpromazine is non addictive but can still cause severe withdrawal in some people not to mention other long term neurological problems

 

[Conky]

Antipsychotic withdrawal really does exist lol and it's worse than opioid wd and alcohol wd, even some benzo wd

 

[deficiT]

Currently on Clonazapam/Klonopin ( a mere .5 3x a day)

So, 1.5mg clonazpam daily, isn't really a small dose. It's not a crazy dose, but, it's definitely not nothing.

Honestly benzos will just make your anxiety worse in the long run, they will also lead to a ton of other cognitive issues. I really wouldn't recommend their daily use like that for the long term, and yeah, it's doubtful any primary doctor is going to prescribe them for you like that unless you have epilepsy or some other physical condition.

Do you have acute anxiety attacks, or just daily general anxiety? You should definitely see a psychiatrist to figure out an alternative. I have never used beta blockers personally, but they sound like the most useful and safe thing for managing acute physical anxiety. I was diagnosed with panic disorder, and was on Clonazepam myself for a while. Honestly I'm way happier not taking benzos and I've done a lot of things to improve my anxiety, and it has gotten better.

Ssri's are first line treatment for anxiety, thats what they're going to offer you first, depending I guess on your prescription history. They can be useful for that for a lot of people. What other things have you been prescribed?

The prescriptions ive tried, that can be helpful are clonidine, gabapentin, hydroxyzine, pregabalin, and Mirtazapine. Pregab and gabap both come with their own dependence issues. Ssri's can work, just a matter of how you react to them. I've tried buspirone, it wasn't really helpful for me.

At the end of the day, you are likely going to benefit far more from meditation, exercise, therapy, things that involve some physical work and personal development. Its nice to be able to take a pill and feel better, but with benzos, it's really just not sustainable for most people, best practice is to only use them for emergencies.

Open to all suggestions. EXCEPT :

Kratom :gives me bad headaches
And I don't want Adderal/Ridalin aka METH.

I tried herbal stuff with zero luck. (kava, valerian, etc)

Yeah, I mean it's fine if you don't like stimulants, but neither amphetamine or methylphenidate are really comparable to methamphetamine. Both of those substances have a way better safety profile than benzodiazepines, arguably, and amphetamine is one of the most useful substances in the world for a ton of people. If you've tried them and they didn't help you, you probably don't have adhd. I don't think anyone in their right mind would suggest or prescribe stimulants for anxiety.

You can get a lot of mileage out of vitamins/supplements. They can really help a lot, you just gotta try different ones and yeah sometimes it requires taking them for a while, they're not gonna fix your brain immediately. Kava is going to be the most similar natural thing to a benzo, don't write it off if you've only tried it once or a handful of times. Make sure you're getting the best product possible and that you're preparing it correctly and understand how it works, and try again.

Wishing you the best in figuring something out!

 

[Jnowhere]

Antipsychotic withdrawal really does exist lol and it's worse than opioid wd and alcohol wd, even some benzo wd

According to Psychology Today, you are right. It also discussed that very little research has been done but definitely there can in a majority 2/3, but like I read doctors don't tell their patients this and the same with many antidepressants.

They only seem to care about Benzo and opiod withdrawal and don't spend the time, money or effort to learn more about these side effects.

It is sad that the people who need these medications are not properly informed by the doctors, who prescribed them.
They don't have step down dose plans or anything most times.

What makes this especially troubling is that people who need these meds are often very vulnerable and the withdrawal, I would think could really cause them even bigger issues due to the conditions that they are used to treat.

It seems highly irresponsible to put it mildly that they would give these meds out and not warn them. It is a good idea to have extras of potentially addictive meds in case, which has happened to me that the pharmacy is out and in one case it was a Saturday and my pharmacy wasn't open on Sunday and even then I had too wait to tuesday for the delivery, lucky I had extras.

It wasn't an anti psychotic or antidepressant but carried a withdrawal, so having extras of addictive or meds with withdrawals, it is good to keep a few days worth in an emergency, like the one I experienced and thankfully was able to just barely make with no issues.

But, you are right I don't take these meds and had no idea of possible withdrawal and at least 2/3 of people do have withdrawals from antipsychotic meds and little research is done and patients have no idea. Awful.

 

[Conky]

According to Psychology Today, you are right. It also discussed that very little research has been done but definitely there can in a majority 2/3, but like I read doctors don't tell their patients this and the same with many antidepressants.

They only seem to care about Benzo and opiod withdrawal and don't spend the time, money or effort to learn more about these side effects.

It is sad that the people who need these medications are not properly informed by the doctors, who prescribed them.
They don't have step down dose plans or anything most times.

What makes this especially troubling is that people who need these meds are often very vulnerable and the withdrawal, I would think could really cause them even bigger issues due to the conditions that they are used to treat.

It seems highly irresponsible to put it mildly that they would give these meds out and not warn them. It is a good idea to extras of potentially addictive meds in case, which has happened to me that the pharmacy is out and in one case it was a Saturday and my pharmacy wasn't open on Sunday and even then I had too wait to tuesday for the delivery, lucky I had extras.

It wasn't an anti psychotic or antidepressant but carried a withdrawal, so having extras of addictive or meds with withdrawals, it is good to keep a few days worth in an emergency, like the one I experienced and thankfully was able to just barely make with no issues.

But, you are right I don't take these meds and had no idea of possible withdrawal and at least 2/3 of people do have withdrawals from antipsychotic meds and little research is done and patients have no idea. Awful.

My psychiatrist showed up at my house with the cops last year. I was cut off from all meds despite already being in withdrawal from them (haloperidol)

I spent the following 11 days confined to hospital. 2 of those days were spent in ICU. The others in psych ward. I was sent home with no meds and everyone seemed surprised I started drinking a lot of whisky. My withdrawals were mostly ignored or blamed on something besides prescription drugs.

 

[Jnowhere]

My psychiatrist showed up at my house with the cops last year. I was cut off from all meds despite already being in withdrawal from them (haloperidol)

I spent the following 11 days confined to hospital. 2 of those days were spent in ICU. The others in psych ward. I was sent home with no meds and everyone seemed surprised I started drinking a lot of whisky. My withdrawals were mostly ignored or blamed on something besides prescription drugs.

Your best bet is too not do anything or give them a reason to do that to you again.

Is it possible for you to find a new pyschiatrist?

Are you ok, now?

Also, I be careful about drinking too much. I know that when I use to drink I could sometimes be a real problem to deal with.

Don't give them a reason to hospitalize you. Because if you get really drunk, they may think your a danger to yourself or others and put you back into that hospital.