your in the shitter now lol. next 24 hours you will peak and then plateau for a few days and then slowly get better. its just not worth it. and also each time you withdrawal from now on you get sicker and faster from less amount of use. gotta let your body and brain receptors heal. keep at it fuck that shit
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Get some benzos and if possible some df's. If you can, get someone to dispense them to you at a pre agreed set rate. Accept the fact it will hurt. Just do it.
It will be a shock to the system but a small habit and a first detox so it won't be too bad.
Woops, just caught up with the thread.
If you're posting on the net you can't be that bad. Keep on going and be strong, couple of days and you'll be through the worst of it that's nothing.
It will be a shock to the system but a small habit and a first detox so it won't be too bad.
Woops, just caught up with the thread.
If you're posting on the net you can't be that bad. Keep on going and be strong, couple of days and you'll be through the worst of it that's nothing.
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Almost at 44 hours, this is def a different type of sickness that is worse than anything I have ever felt... Idk if this is a withdrawal symptom but it feels like someone is stabbing my stomach, it's in painful knots... I feel so uncomfortable, I should have got a 8mg sub... Too late now, I'm stuck at work for another 5 hours... Idk how u veteran users deal with this, it's insane, this is torture! I think I'm fuckin dying lol
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Fuck...... I had a mental break down, I couldn't take it, I started a new job today, I work in an office, I broke down again, I started vomiting every hour and it felt like I was being stabbed by knives in my bones, I got and railed a bag and felt completely normal in a minute.... Sucks but there's good news, I got my hands on an 8mg suboxone... Here's my battle plan, try and go as long as I can, then take 2mg every 24 hours for 4 days, then jump off the subs and ride it out, if I didn't work full time I would have probably tried to keep going, but it became unbearable guys, I hate myself, but I'm determined to quit this shit, I figure the sub will be gone by Friday and I have the whole weekend to ride it out, any advice on this idea?!? I know I was in the peak, I couldn't take it and almost quit my job I was in so much agony and pain, I know I sound weak but I beat my first attempt which was 27 hours, this time I made it 51 hours, I'm trying guys I really am... I appreciate the support and I hate the fact that I let myself down, but I really think this plan WILL WORK 
does it sound like a good idea, I know I should have tried to stick it out but now I can only move forward. I'M REALLY DONE, I don't even crave H I just can't take this feeling, it's indescribable and this is only a MILD withdrawal, u guys with heavy habits that cold turkeyed in jail are fuckin warriors, I wish I could be as tough as you guys, I fuckin hate myself right now.... What do u guys think about this approach?! U guys are awesome, I appreciate everyone trying to help me get through this, thanks to everyone who has been here for me in this thread, it's nice knowing there's people out there who want the best for me : )
does it sound like a good idea, I know I should have tried to stick it out but now I can only move forward. I'M REALLY DONE, I don't even crave H I just can't take this feeling, it's indescribable and this is only a MILD withdrawal, u guys with heavy habits that cold turkeyed in jail are fuckin warriors, I wish I could be as tough as you guys, I fuckin hate myself right now.... What do u guys think about this approach?! U guys are awesome, I appreciate everyone trying to help me get through this, thanks to everyone who has been here for me in this thread, it's nice knowing there's people out there who want the best for me : )
Yeah that is withdrawls.. Please look in to the phenibut and other medications I mentioned as they will help a great deal.. dont freak out you can do this
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Neversickanymore- I def am trying to get my hands on those items, I thought this would be easy man, but u knew what it's all about before I even started the 1st cold turkey attempt! I don't know how you got through it man after hearing your history compared to my tiny little binge lol! Do u think 2mg is a good dose for the sub? My friends all had different opinions.... One said break into half and do 4mg during day 2 and day 3, another friend said break it into thirds and do it over the course of 3 days.... My plan was to wait 24-36 hours and just use 2mg every day over the course of 4 days.... Get through this workweek and ride it out over the weekend... I think it might even be better to stop the subs Thursday night, so I can try and give myself 3 full days cold turkey, I figure the 1st day isn't as bad as the second so I could prob grin and bear it Friday which would be day 1, considering I made through work today at day 2 with NOTHING which was ALOT harder for me then the first day on Sunday.... What do u think?!?!
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Hey- it's okay! Relapses happen. It's all part of this lovely cycle of addiction..
What matters is you are willing to dust yourself off and go back at it and try to get/stay sober Suboxone will help you. Do you have anything besides work to keep yourself busy and your mind off cravings this weekend? Friends (sober)? Movies? Anything?
I know you'll feel shitty if you're in acute withdrawal and probably won't feel like doing anything, and that's okay too. As long as you are not put in a situation where you're tempted to use/relapse that's what will really matter.
What matters is you are willing to dust yourself off and go back at it and try to get/stay sober
Suboxone will help you. Do you have anything besides work to keep yourself busy and your mind off cravings this weekend? Friends (sober)? Movies? Anything? I know you'll feel shitty if you're in acute withdrawal and probably won't feel like doing anything, and that's okay too. As long as you are not put in a situation where you're tempted to use/relapse that's what will really matter.
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Thanks ad lib ! Ya I def plan on keeping busy over the weekend! Prob watch some movies, clean my room etc! Honestly man, I don't even crave the high anymore, the ONLY reason I did it tonight was to make this horrible feeling go away, I wasn't trying to even get high, I just wanted to feel NORMAL, and that's pretty much all it did... It's sucks man cause I knew I was in the peak and at hour 51, if I sucked it up it prob would have started easing off slowly after hour 96... i was slightly over half way there, as far as being in the PAINFUL PEAK, I assume day 5 would start to feel like the 36 hour mark, uncomfortable sure, but not torture!! Im determined to get off this shit even though it doesn't seem like it, I really am trying dude, today at work I was so miserable I almost just walked out and quit lol! And it's the best job I have ever had, and was so happy to get it!, I've noticed that the worst pain is in my lower back and legs for some reason! I'm hopin 4 days of subs should get me out of or close to being out of the peak, idk, I'm going to keep plugging away, the more I feel these withdrawals, I don't even want to chip H after i get rid of the physical dependency, like I wanted to in the beginning of this thread! These mild withdrawal is turning me off from ever doing H again, the high is never worth this gross horrible feeling, I know i can do this even though I'm struggling
! Ya I def plan on keeping busy over the weekend! Prob watch some movies, clean my room etc! Honestly man, I don't even crave the high anymore, the ONLY reason I did it tonight was to make this horrible feeling go away, I wasn't trying to even get high, I just wanted to feel NORMAL, and that's pretty much all it did... It's sucks man cause I knew I was in the peak and at hour 51, if I sucked it up it prob would have started easing off slowly after hour 96... i was slightly over half way there, as far as being in the PAINFUL PEAK, I assume day 5 would start to feel like the 36 hour mark, uncomfortable sure, but not torture!! Im determined to get off this shit even though it doesn't seem like it, I really am trying dude, today at work I was so miserable I almost just walked out and quit lol! And it's the best job I have ever had, and was so happy to get it!, I've noticed that the worst pain is in my lower back and legs for some reason! I'm hopin 4 days of subs should get me out of or close to being out of the peak, idk, I'm going to keep plugging away, the more I feel these withdrawals, I don't even want to chip H after i get rid of the physical dependency, like I wanted to in the beginning of this thread! These mild withdrawal is turning me off from ever doing H again, the high is never worth this gross horrible feeling, I know i can do this even though I'm struggling hockey4life
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Thanks hazard! Ya that might be an even better idea maybe do something like 2mg,2mg,1mg, 1mg,1mg,1mg for 6 days then make the jump! Honestly dude I've never used subs before, so I wasn't sure if 1mg would be enough to work? I figured 2mg would be a good first dose, get a feel for it and def lower it if I can and stretch it out like u said! How are u doing yourself man? If I remember correctly u could possibly be on day 11 now, am I right?! Hang in there yourself brother, wishing u all the best with your recovery! This shit ain't a joke
Let me reiterate that you going to do this.. I'm just going to throw down a little thing on half life and its relation to withdrawal.. I'm going to try and throw this in as accessible a format as i can put.. please dont think its because I am talking down to you or have any doubt about you knowledge or intelligence as the opposite is the case. I only do this because by you and I discussing these things we are hopefully helping allot of other people.. many of whom English may not be there native language.
So the half life is the amount of time it takes half of the levels of a drug to be eliminate from you system..
So if a drug has a half life of 10 hours and we took 100mg then this is how it plays out..
mg........hours
100 -50 1-10
50-25 10-20
25-12.5 20-30
12.5-6.3 30-40
6.3-3 40-50
3-1.5 50-60
a good general rule for how long it takes to pretty much get a substance out of a users system is 5x the half life of that drug.. but I always figure it as seven days as it so much nicer to see the light at the end of the tunnel two days early then have it come two days late. Plus the half lives of drugs are determined by the metabolism of the user as much as the drug.. for instance the half life of methadone is from eight hours to 140 hours. so this makes a huge difference.
So in order for us to get through the acute withdraws we need to get through the amount of time it takes to pretty much eliminate the opiates from our system and then give the system like 3.5 to four days to readjust.. though it takes longer but the first miracle happens around four days after the substance is pretty much gone.
The relevance here is that the half life of suboxone is 24 to 42 hours >source<
awhile the half life or morphine (what herion turns into almost instantaneously when consumed) is 2 hours >source<
Also while you have to weight to take the subs until you are in good withdrawal.. and because the bupe has a much higher affinity for the opiat than most shorter acting opiates (including herion), but also is not as strong a manipulator of these receptors. So if we take subs when we aren't sick the bupe will knock off the morphine from the receptors but when it attaches it will not stimulate them to the same extent and thus will act allot like narcan and throw us into pretty hard core withdrawals.. this is why it is good practice for herion users to keep some strips around as a weapon to try and use against an OD.
But if we think of the relationship between half life and the length of acute detox and look at it with herion and subs
then we have a length of half life times five days..
Subs 24 to 42 hours so we will figure for about thirty hours.. 5 x 30 = 150 hours + 4 days to make it to the light at the end of the tunnel so 150 + 96 = 246 hours or about ten days average
on top of the ten days we need to add in two days before the subs can even be taken with out getting sick (which is half the big herion detox
) so then we are up to pretty much two weeks in acutes.
Heroin or morphine half life of two hours or so so 2 x 5 equals ten hours + 4 days so 10 + 96 = 106 hours or about four days till you start to get allot better and see the light at the end of the tunnel.
So my suggestion to you would be to get all the medications you need and get four days off of work.. then until those days come around use the absolute bare minimum of herion.. and then jump. Give the sub to you IV using friend and have him research how to properly shoot this into an OD as it could save someones life.
You can do this.. if i can do it then so can anyone.. let alone you Sir... with the medications this will be easier, not a cakewalk but no the end of the world. that and the fact that you are making it so long with out getting real sick says to me you will have a shorter detox than is normal right now as most people are that sick within way less time than you are so this is really good news.
You got this.. just a couple of barn burners and your out of the first part.
So the half life is the amount of time it takes half of the levels of a drug to be eliminate from you system..
So if a drug has a half life of 10 hours and we took 100mg then this is how it plays out..
mg........hours
100 -50 1-10
50-25 10-20
25-12.5 20-30
12.5-6.3 30-40
6.3-3 40-50
3-1.5 50-60
a good general rule for how long it takes to pretty much get a substance out of a users system is 5x the half life of that drug.. but I always figure it as seven days as it so much nicer to see the light at the end of the tunnel two days early then have it come two days late. Plus the half lives of drugs are determined by the metabolism of the user as much as the drug.. for instance the half life of methadone is from eight hours to 140 hours. so this makes a huge difference.
So in order for us to get through the acute withdraws we need to get through the amount of time it takes to pretty much eliminate the opiates from our system and then give the system like 3.5 to four days to readjust.. though it takes longer but the first miracle happens around four days after the substance is pretty much gone.
The relevance here is that the half life of suboxone is 24 to 42 hours >source<
awhile the half life or morphine (what herion turns into almost instantaneously when consumed) is 2 hours >source<
Also while you have to weight to take the subs until you are in good withdrawal.. and because the bupe has a much higher affinity for the opiat than most shorter acting opiates (including herion), but also is not as strong a manipulator of these receptors. So if we take subs when we aren't sick the bupe will knock off the morphine from the receptors but when it attaches it will not stimulate them to the same extent and thus will act allot like narcan and throw us into pretty hard core withdrawals.. this is why it is good practice for herion users to keep some strips around as a weapon to try and use against an OD.
But if we think of the relationship between half life and the length of acute detox and look at it with herion and subs
then we have a length of half life times five days..
Subs 24 to 42 hours so we will figure for about thirty hours.. 5 x 30 = 150 hours + 4 days to make it to the light at the end of the tunnel so 150 + 96 = 246 hours or about ten days average
on top of the ten days we need to add in two days before the subs can even be taken with out getting sick (which is half the big herion detox
) so then we are up to pretty much two weeks in acutes.Heroin or morphine half life of two hours or so so 2 x 5 equals ten hours + 4 days so 10 + 96 = 106 hours or about four days till you start to get allot better and see the light at the end of the tunnel.
So my suggestion to you would be to get all the medications you need and get four days off of work.. then until those days come around use the absolute bare minimum of herion.. and then jump. Give the sub to you IV using friend and have him research how to properly shoot this into an OD as it could save someones life.
You can do this.. if i can do it then so can anyone.. let alone you Sir... with the medications this will be easier, not a cakewalk but no the end of the world. that and the fact that you are making it so long with out getting real sick says to me you will have a shorter detox than is normal right now as most people are that sick within way less time than you are so this is really good news.
You got this.. just a couple of barn burners and your out of the first part.
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Thanks for that info neversickanymore! I've read up on subs over the years despite never taking them and know all about how they stay in your system for a lot longer than other opiates, the precipitated withdrawal if I took them to early etc lol! I understand what your saying and that it's best to just stick it out with those items, basically just not using any opiates! Here I am for the third time 11 hours in, slept like a baby last night, I wonder why lol jk! It's funny every time I hit 12 hours I'm still fine and I always secretly hope the withdrawal will magically just never appear, but I know it's waiting for me again with the devils smile lol! I only really planned on using minimum amounts of the sub to just "get me through work in a half livable condition" if that makes any sense! I know what your saying on how I'm just trading a short intense withdrawal for a long drawn out one due to the half life of sub! Last night as I drifted off to sleep, I realize I'm beginning to never want any part of H again, it pissed me off that I need this "stupid tiny bag of powder" to get a good night comfortable sleep! I'm more determined to quit this shit every time will update later, hopin that this is the last time I ever hit the 12 hour mark again and never look back
will update later, hopin that this is the last time I ever hit the 12 hour mark again and never look back Hi guys, I've read thru this entire thread and it just amazes me how much ^^^ this guy's story is a mirror image of my own, from time frame and useage to where I am with the addiction right now. The rollercoaster of quit then relapse, try again, relapse is mentally exhausting!! Even with help like subox, xanax, lyrica, kratom ~ its still frustrating as hell. I quit (for good) last Saturday, relapsed Tuesday, quit again Wed, relapsed Sunday. I'm on Day 2. Again. I've had to call out of work and if I make it thru this with my job still intact, i'll be even more amazed. And I'm mostly alone going thru this. I have my oldest son (20) who knows everything and is helping me thru detox, but that's it. my bf left me Sunday, which is why I relapsed (stupid reason, I know). i really, really want to be DONE with this damn drug forever, but i swear its scary reading some of your posts about how long you've been clean, only to relapse and have to start all over. *sigh* Definitely a fight for my life.
Good luck, Hockey. Know you're not alone in this fight.
Wendy
Good luck, Hockey. Know you're not alone in this fight.
Wendy
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Thanks hun! Ya it's crazy, how heroin is so deceptive! The first 50-60 times I did heroin I felt a GREAT AFTERGLOW the very next morning, and the come down was so pleasant and gentle, now it's a totally different ball game after 36 hours lol! Right now I'm at hour 26 off H but I set myself back and took a 4mg sub at 1230pm today on my lunch break, before lunch I was starting to feel the sickness setting in , now I feel fine... I plan on using 2mg tomorrow at lunch, then make the jump again and try and cold turkey detox into the weekend, hoping I see the light at the end of the tunnel by Monday morning... If someone asked me " hey what's the absolute best feeling and the absolute worst feeling u have ever felt in this world?" it would be heroin by far lol! Even with a mild withdrawal I have never felt something like this type of pain/sickness, it's pain only a heroin/opiate addict knows! The withdrawal is like the polar opposite of everything the high was! But I'm determined to break this physical dependency, and never get physically hooked on this shit again
Your doing great hockey.. one of the biggest things in promoting a peaceful and successful recovery is to keep your thoughts positive all the time. So instead of looking at this situation like you set yourself back why not look at it for what it really is.. your making the monumental effort to move forward and get yourself of the drugs. Also as you now have the Bupe on board so there will be no real way you can use and have it do much if anything. I would always focus your thoughts on the positive and the progress you are making as that's all that matters. Nice work hockey
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Neversickanymore - thanks man for cheering me up about it! I was kind of bummed out that i took the sub because I knew u basically said to me the other day that doing it cold turkey with a few of those items was the fastest yet most painful way to get through it! But in 110 hours or so it would be all downhill! Im just using the sub to get through work! I waited 24 hours to take it so I wouldn't go into a precipitated withdrawal! I plan on just taking 2mg tomorrow and then try and ride it out cold turkey from Thursday 12pm and see how I feel by Monday morning before I go to work at 6am. Basically going 90 hours cold turkey... Today was my first time EVER taking a sub and I have to say it made me feel completely normal in 20 minutes, I felt like I did before I ever got into opiates... I'm NEVER giving up though
No worries hockey.. please take this time to get some of those medications... you can now go to your dealer to get the benzos with out worrying about picking up.. I mean i guess you could pick up but you will receive little to no benefit from using it, might as well snort brown sugar.. and the phenibut is available at Walgreens, GNC, and other places as well. If you have this all in place for the final push you thank yourself.