TDS Going to be Hurtin for the 1st time -Coming off Heroin

Great job man!

Even if you start to drag a little, keep going. The mental part can be hard but there is lot's of support on this site
 
Hey guys I just wanted to say that I'm 99% sure I broke the physical dependency!!! I'm pretty sure that I beat it and I'm in the clear :) I'll keep updated but as of right now I feel that I'm free from this physical dependence from H! Feels great! In summary, I tried to cold turkey two attempts and failed miserably! On the third attempt I cold turkeyed day 1 then took 4mg sub on day 2 followed by 2mg sub on day 3!!! This plan worked! Thanks for everyone who has been there for me! I'll do a few more updates, and I'll see everyone on the forums :)
 
Just a couple corrections:

1 Your never in the clear.
2 You will never be able to successfully be able to use heroin EVER again.
3 If You continue to use you will either, Die, end up in jail, or become institutionalized.
4 If you continue to use you will lose everything

Jus a few facts to keep in the back of your mind.

Take it from someone who had the world by the balls and Lost everything. Took me 10 plus years and a felony and over 400 days in rehab to figure all that out.

Let us know how your doing
 
Hey guys I've been doing great, free of the dependency, still clean off H... Honestly i do have thoughts that race through my head about, "just one bag one night a week, u got this!" What makes it worse is that now unlike when I was physically addicted, I'm working full time 60 hours a week! Im making more money than ever now so affording 1-2 bags a week is possible while still building up my account... One thing that kind of sucks is that I realize now that nothing will ever feel as good as the high of H... Sex, food, working out, going out for drinks, nothing compares even remotely... Nothing really gives me the happiness that I got from a line of diesel... O well... I guess that's just life now, I'm sure I will eventually accept that nothing in life will ever give me that same feeling of joy and pleasure... It's like if I never tried H, I would never know what I'm missing lol!
 
Hey guys I've been doing great, free of the dependency, still clean off H... Honestly i do have thoughts that race through my head about, "just one bag one night a week, u got this!" What makes it worse is that now unlike when I was physically addicted, I'm working full time 60 hours a week! Im making more money than ever now so affording 1-2 bags a week is possible while still building up my account... One thing that kind of sucks is that I realize now that nothing will ever feel as good as the high of H... Sex, food, working out, going out for drinks, nothing compares even remotely... Nothing really gives me the happiness that I got from a line of diesel... O well... I guess that's just life now, I'm sure I will eventually accept that nothing in life will ever give me that same feeling of joy and pleasure... It's like if I never tried H, I would never know what I'm missing lol!

I'm so happy to hear you're doing well! I was wondering how you were doing :) I hope everything continues to go great for you.
 
Hey guys I've been doing great, free of the dependency, still clean off H... Honestly i do have thoughts that race through my head about, "just one bag one night a week, u got this!" What makes it worse is that now unlike when I was physically addicted, I'm working full time 60 hours a week! Im making more money than ever now so affording 1-2 bags a week is possible while still building up my account... One thing that kind of sucks is that I realize now that nothing will ever feel as good as the high of H... Sex, food, working out, going out for drinks, nothing compares even remotely... Nothing really gives me the happiness that I got from a line of diesel... O well... I guess that's just life now, I'm sure I will eventually accept that nothing in life will ever give me that same feeling of joy and pleasure... It's like if I never tried H, I would never know what I'm missing lol!

Im glad you got through the tunnel.. I used to think this way about speed balls.. but I know realize that I was totally wrong.. for me it feels so much better to feel really good, truely happy, optimistic, relaxed and a peaceful all the time, as I know this is way better then a couple minute rush followed by a little euphoria and sleepiness, with no emotions besides anxiety, hopelessness, and a dead soul.

How our life is based on our perceptions. Our perceptions are based on our thoughts, we control our thoughts. So we control how our life is. We dont have control over what happens in our life but we control how we choose to look at and percieve what happens.

since you have a bunch of cash and are looking for a rush.. go jump out of a perfectly good airplane.. somehow I cant see how the amazing clean rush of that will have any problem comparing to the dirty rush and buzz of a line of H.

If you continue to think that you are missing out on the most amazing thing ever then IMO its only a matter of time until you go back. :\

“Chasing the Dragon”
The term “chasing the dragon” is a term used by addicts in an effort to catch the first high they had on their drug of choice. “Because of the
unique reaction that the genetically addiction prone individual experiences to his drug of choice, he or she programs his or herself belief
system with the deep conviction that the substance is ‘good,’
writes Richard Seymour. “This is where self-help becomes intrinsic to recovery. Unless one deals with the third head, unless one changes the belief system and effects a turning-about in the deepest seat of consciousness, there is no recovery…

- “The Chemical Carousel”
by Dirk Hanson​

Your doing great hockey.. now you just need to come up with a recovery plan that creates a peaceful and happy life in recovery.:)
 
Thanks guys! Ya I will say, it does feel great waking up not needing to do a substance just to feel normal! I don't know if this is normal guys but my mind has had this weird thought pattern in the last week, I'll try and explain it... It's like even though this mild withdrawal was by far the most excruciating painful feeling I have ever felt in my life, as each day passes its becoming more of a memory... My mind is almost forgetting about the pain, and keeps thinking of the first 40-50 great highs in the beginning... It's almost like I remember all the good feelings, while the bad feelings are slowly fading away, scary shit lol! I feel that even though detoxing was straight hell, the mental cravings after bring on a new challenge, which isn't physical pain, but like I said its difficult in its own way! I thought the detox would terrify me from ever thinking of getting high again, but now it's like my mind is saying, "that wasn't to bad, u won't get that bad again." Even though while in the moment I wouldn't wish that he'll on my worst enemy! Like I said earlier, idk if these thoughts are normal for someone who quits their drug of choice, but the good news is I'm feeling better than ever with more energy each day :)
 
Update, still sober :)... My buddy who was my connect got busted last week, got hit with 5 serious drug charges... Now hes facing a life changing sentence with serious jail time... Sucks, it really feels over now... I have no way to get it at all, even if I caved in... I could get the 30mg blue oxys, but those suck and are nothing like the high I got from heroin... Not even tempted to buy them since they do nothing for me, and aren't nearly as euphoric... Extremely sad lately, just wake up, go to work, come home and crawl in bed at 6-7pm... I even have dreams about heroin about once or twice a week, and right before I go in for the rail I wake up pissed/sad that its not real... Just gotta accept that the best feeling in my life has come and passed, never happening again, nothing 24 years before felt as good, and I know that nothing after will ever feel as good as H.... Feeling down :(
 
Congratulations on the sobriety and your hard work up to this point.=D Sorry to hear about your friend. If I were you I would start to create an amazing life that promotes peace and hapiness with out the herion. If you leave your life where its at and do not make it something amazing and continue to foster the delusion that you have lost the best feeling you have ever had or will ever have then you will use again as soon as you get a connect. It sounds to me like you have all kinds of amazing things to discover and do in your life if you are under the impression that some lines of herion are the best thing ever.

Using dreams and depression are part of the addiction and PAWS. I was hopeing that you were mearly physically dependent but since you are haveing useing dreams you can put the question of weather your an addict to rest as you are.

There is a great younger professor that has some great things to say about drugs and addiction here is a little bit on him "Drugs Aren’t the Problem": Neuroscientist Carl Hart take 2

So if the drugs aren't the problem.. then the problem must be your life and the way you are choosing to live it and the way you are choosing to view it. going to work and climbing right into bed isn't even a life.

If I were you I would get off your giant solid gold pity potty.. really some lines of herion were the best thing that has ever and will ever happen to you.. come on man snap the fuck out of it that's just weak and so untrue:!:!!<3<3<3

"if nothing changes then nothing changes" so why not start changing your life into something amazing and change. Slipping into bed after work and feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to change anything.

Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
http://www.clairedorotik.com/NLWC-EXERCISE_AND_MOOD.htm
ADD take http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/673580-Hey-I-thought-the-grey-matter-of-ADD-could-chew-on-this
Managing depressive thinking

it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts positive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!


Think about the best goal or hit in hockey you ever had.. remember that feeling.. fealt way better then a some line of herion that made you feel sleepy and comfortable but extinguished the flame in your heart. ;)<3

This gets better quick but if you dont start taking a proactive approach in your recovery you may not slip outta the woods this time.. you can see by what happened to your friend on of the many negative outcomes of the hard drug game.

Your in the fight of your life and are still thinking your missing out on something amazing.

Your doing good but could be feeling much better.

Fight, Fight, Fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I know what you mean man, I really have to snap out of it! It really sucks though... Honestly, something about this drug just clicked for me... I know that sounds weird to say but it's true... I've smoked pot, drank, done 3-4 other opiates before H, but when I tried H I instantly thought "alright this is my drug/this is the high that I'm all about, this is me." I will not lie, I honestly wish I could just snap my fingers and feel the rush/high of heroin whenever I wanted...

It's sad but like I said, nothing remotely in my life sex, graduating college, getting a girlfriend, vacations, exercise, even hockey etc. has ever come close to feeling as good/euphoric as that feeling I got from heroin. I understand what your saying, that I need to forget about it, but it's really just a FACT on what I was saying, nothing will feel like heroin, I can only get that feeling FROM USING HEROIN. If I could go back in time, I would have never even messed with it, and just settled for the regular boring things life has to offer... It sucks, I still crave it, I thought once I got through the detox I would be magically better/craving free, but I know that this is going to be a life long battle. Hoping someday I give a shit less about a stupid bag of dope being tossed in front of me.

Basically the reality is, nothing else naturally will give me the heroin high and I must accept it... And like I said heroin was the best high/feeling I ever felt in this world regardless of everything else... I know it's a horrible drug, but at the same time I'm not going to pretend that there's other things out there that feel better than it... Because nothing does! The diesel will always be the ultimate joy that I felt in this world, considering nothing else even came close to that feeling... It's just life.
 
Wow...powerful thread. I couldn't fucking believe what everyone was saying to hockey4life when he was posting high, with "lol", and :) faces after everything, and merely talking about going cold turkey. Who wouldn't be typing that if they had that nice, chemical blanket on???...I was thinking....are you kidding me??? You have NO IDEA what you're about to go through. And get serious, why were people telling him it wasn't that bad, etc. Going cold turkey is really bad...and if you don't have to I don't suggest it. I have been through w/d more times that I can count...If you can taper, or take things to aide it, why not? Personally, I didn't need to feel that bad to know this is bad...No reason for me to get bludgeoned, I already live w blinding head pain. It's a waste of time, and there's no reward or payment for suffering...anyone w chronic pain, gets this.

What I thought was awesome, was the amount of support he received from alot of members. I have never seen this much support. It was nice to see.

He is going through that depression....I went through that for about eight mos. when I stopped doing oxycontin. I would dream I was walking knee deep in 80mg Oxy's...I'd reach down and touch them to make sure I wasn't dreaming even though I was. I also would dream, I had those jumbo sized jars, full of green 80's...I cried everyday for about 8-9mos. after I stopped them. I have not ever again felt that euphoric on anything. Those days are gone forever for me...

Now, I guess my brain has reset itself or something. I don't know. But he's in the mourning stage...Ps-I do know this thread was from a year ago. Just reading to gain knowlege. It seems like he came up w a good plan to have a relatively easy detox. Without even going to any facility.
 
Hey man, thanks for commenting, it's nice knowing that there are others out there who know what this depression is like... And you were right with everything you said. In the very beginning of this thread such as the first post I was high typing it... When I got high in the last few using months I started to reflect on this addiction and how controlling it was on me. And also, I did have no idea what withdrawals were all about. I thought I would just be in for some mild cold for a day or two, far from reality. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have NEVER felt that type of combination of physical pain in my bones/body along with the other flu-like symptoms. And I know that it was a relatively mild withdrawal. For having a 3 month habit (11 weeks everyday actually) I can't imagine what it would be like to rattle with a 6 month or 1 year habit....

As far as the depression I have to step up and move on with my life. I know that my thoughts are immature. Ya it was great in the beginning, but it's not worth going to jail, overdosing, losing every relationship in my life, spending every penny on it, and feeling that hellish withdrawal as my alarm clock every morning. I'm starting to think more clearly the last day, and I've been realizing that I CAN CHANGE my thoughts. The depression can end as soon as I let it end.

My biggest fear, is the voice in my head telling me, " hey you can do this every once in the while like you did in the very beginning and wake up the next day feeling great with no withdrawal." It's those beginning days that get to me. The days where I NEVER suffered withdrawals even from doing it 3-4 days in a row... But like I said, I know that I have to close this book and never open it back up again. Everyday clean is one step closer to returning to normal like I was before this addiction. Recently, I've been thinking alot, that I was HAPPY and FINE for 23 years before I tried this drug, I can certainly be happy again without it.
 
This made me smile, no for real sir=D such amazing things..


I'm starting to think more clearly the last day, and I've been realizing that I CAN CHANGE my thoughts. The depression can end as soon as I let it end.
what you have stated is the realization that you have the power.. when you fist realize that you control the way it is it.. the very begining of an awakening which could lead us to the "awakening." ;) if we can only figure out what to think

The world is how we choose to perceive it. Our perceptions are based on our thoughts. We control our thoughts. We choose how the world is.

We dont control much if anything of what happens, bit we decide how to interpenetrate what happens, how we choose to interpenetrate what happens determines our experiences.



My biggest fear, is the voice in my head telling me, " hey you can do this every once in the while like you did in the very beginning and wake up the next day feeling great with no withdrawal." It's those beginning days that get to me. The days where I NEVER suffered withdrawals even from doing it 3-4 days in a row... But like I said, I know that I have to close this book and never open it back up again. Everyday clean is one step closer to returning to normal like I was before this addiction. Recently, I've been thinking allot, that I was HAPPY and FINE for 23 years before I tried this drug, I can certainly be happy again without it.

As a man that tried to come up with the craziest plans to make this happen.. and this is even after I had already admitted the fact that I myself had no control over the use of substances i was addicted to so needed to put into place a system to control it for me.. let me just tell you it does not exist unless we were to place ourselves in a prison and have it dolled out at certain intervals.. im not playing.. plans and schemes I was so certain would allow me to use.. yeah they went down in flames.. what I was so sure had no chance of failing was over before it started.. no chance of failure to failed in less than three days..

This fits into the so awfully renamed "powerless" over our addiction. yeah talk about the worst rename in history as how can we concur something we are powerless over.. well in the beginning the steps were not named as they are now and there were not as many.. the way it was first stated was much better IMO. cause it read "I am licked" or as I see it there is no fucking way on earth that i can ever use this substance with positive results.. just doesn't happen in addiction.. i know how your mind works cause it like mine.. it says there has to be a way to control my use even though I can't.. yeah there is.. I found it finally.. but I could never find out how to make the use of the substance like this worth shit.. it made it way worse..

As soon as you are able to see it for what it is.. see pasts it delusion... realize that what it whispers it will be is utter lies.. utter fucking lies.. not because it will destroy your life and all that as that doesn't mean shit.. but based on how it actually will make you feel;).. then you can go doing everything you can to not do something to no longer wanting to do it.. does this mean the battle is over.. nope but it get allot easier to resist something when you know its utterly full of shit..

Your doing amazing hockey.. congratulations on what you have accomplished and where you are at
and wow.. wonder where you could end up=D
 
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Just wanna chime in and say this thread has definitely reminded me of a few things and reinvigorated my efforts to stay clean. It really helps to reflect on all I've lost while using, and all I've gained on those clean stretches. Thanks for that, hockey dude. I wish you all the best in your continued efforts to stay clean.
 
hockey4life, your thoughts are not immature as addiction doesn't seem to mature... you're feeling sad like a majority of us leaving something that made everything seem better. When I said I cried everyday, I mean literally. I did. Every day seemed like hell and misery. I also realized I wasn't happy prior to having oxycontin prescribed. I didn't go to feeling just calm...I went from, anxiety and panic attacks, insecurity. as my usual way of life, and then add a painful divorce, and a two yr old to raise alone, etc to pretty much being euphoric. Just doing everyday responsibilities were fun...Before I'd go to sleep at night, I'd say to myself "I can't wait to wake up and have another great day tomorrow". It seems I thought I was only allowed to take my Rx until the morning lol. I'm weird like that. I've attributed it to being raised by a militant, alcoholic mother.

Even if I was able to maintain not running out early, the feeling would've changed anyway, due to tolerance. It can't go on forever, no matter what. I do know none of that seems to matter while you're feeling so depressed. neversick has alot of good advice. And he is so supportive of you....you have to love that.

It took me a long time to get through the depression. Just because I stopped crying, I still wasn't feeling very happy about any of it. I tried oxycontin again, only to find out I no longer felt the euphoria. I don't feel euphoria from any opiates...even in high amounts. Including H. And I am grateful for that. If I think I'm in a terrible situation now, I can only imagine the one I'd be in if I still became euphoric...

It only gets worse as time goes on hockey...meaning the degree you feel wd, the consequences...I promise that you can move forward. You will. It's at your own rate, on your own time. As long as you're doing the steps that lead to becoming better in the meantime.

This past eight mos binge on H, was to get through because my rx ran out early. It had been a few yrs since I'd used in between None of us can use sometimes. You will be ok w that eventually. It's why sobriety is put before all else, well one of the great reasons...it's because it's not easy. You are experiencing this first hand...there is a definitive sadness that comes w it...it's a breakup. Not like one. It is one.

I wasn't trying to say anything mean by the fact you were high when you began posting. What I meant is that it's easy to have a rosy outlook with the chemical blanket on. I know very well. I have admired you through your entire thread. Shoveling snow? While sick? Starting a new job while sick? You may have felt like walking out, but you didnt. Between the physical symptoms, and the anxiety, which are bad enough in a familiar setting, w people you can tell...you had none of that, yet you stuck it out. There's alot to be said for that. Keep going. Line up support...to have at all times around the clock. The best to you. <3
 
Hockey, I also want to acknowledge that I knew you were only high in the first post...I didn't make that clear. My apologies. I felt someone should've armed you a bit more that it probably will be worse than you think, and not as bad as you think at the same time.

I know experiences are relative...I meant on a median.
 
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