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brokedownpalace10
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As Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." My collection is mostly slipjoints. (grandpa knives, but I've always liked them) I like them because they look less threatening. I can take out a little slipjoint and clean my nails at Target, and have. Also, they are "male jewelry".
I, on the other hand, drive an old, beat up car to compensate for having a large penis. (definitely kidding there)
Just seeing this thread now, really interesting.
I do agree with this thread. What i especially believe, is that there is no physical incarnated embodiment of some sort of god figure.
If there is something omnipresent, something that can create life from star dust and make an infinite universe, i think of it more as a system that is entangled in each and every one of us.
But this is just what i believe. We all believe something, as you say @M!$TER-ED for people to rationalize what we don't know
I do agree with this thread. What i especially believe, is that there is no physical incarnated embodiment of some sort of god figure.
If there is something omnipresent, something that can create life from star dust and make an infinite universe, i think of it more as a system that is entangled in each and every one of us.
But this is just what i believe. We all believe something, as you say @M!$TER-ED for people to rationalize what we don't know
Thank you for saying that. That's exactly the way I feel. We ' all ' believe in something. And even those that believe in nothing believe
in something also .... because they believe in ' nothing.'
in something also .... because they believe in ' nothing.'
I don't understand how such lunacy became so popular when logic tells us how preposterous faith based religion is. I tried to become a Christian over and over again but it never stuck with me. I thought perhaps if I only believe in god that would suffice my curiosity regarding faith. I always had doubts about faith in Jesus being the only way to know god. It didn't seem feasible that with the number of people in the world all from different backgrounds and cultures they would not have access to higher consciousness that westerners claim as god.
It wasn't until I read God 4.0 by Robert Ornstein On the Nature of Higher Consciousness and the Experience Called "God" that the pieces came together and made sense to me. Accordingly research findings reveal the existence of a second network of consciousness that transcends everyday consciousness. It is what people have tried to activate, from the earliest shaman-sages, to Moses 3500 years ago, to Jesus 2,000 years ago, to Muhammad 1,400 years ago all the way up to the myriad of contemporary seekers.
What has been thought of traditionally, and described metaphorically as "knowing god" is a special mode of perception, a development of cognition that opens an extra dimension usually dormant in consciousness. Unfortunately, the heritage of this "second network" activation is more than a bit muddled, as our society is left with the followers of the original sages who through countless generations, have interpreted, reinterpreted, distorted and even replaced the original innovation and insight. This has created needless conflict and destructive hostility between different sects, and between science and spirituality.
The "second system" is a quiescence faculty; accidents can activate it, as can certain procedures such as meditation, isolation, fasting, overstimulation, prayer and drug use which have appeared in every known society. They involve a breakup or a bypass of normal cognition, and the opening of "another world" as it has been called metaphorically. The activation of this more inclusive consciousness is sometimes called "wisdom,' "perspective". "second sight" 'the sight of a seer" "deep or "direct perception" or "seeing god" .These are traditional terms that seem strange and off-putting that don't offer practical steps forward. However, the widespread similarity of such descriptions, infall areas of the world, indicates that the experience of altered states of consciousness is universal.
The "higher reality" --metaphorically presented as "seeing god" being 'born again" and "entering the light" among many other images --has not changed. However, it is now possible to connect the dots to understand these metaphors and the progression for attaining a higher insight, both neurobiologically and psychologically, it's time for a new conceptual framework, a framework based on the foundation of current knowledge, one without the restrictions, accumulations and clannishness of contemporary religions; one based on an understanding of the capacity for expanded consciousness inherent in us all.
It wasn't until I read God 4.0 by Robert Ornstein On the Nature of Higher Consciousness and the Experience Called "God" that the pieces came together and made sense to me. Accordingly research findings reveal the existence of a second network of consciousness that transcends everyday consciousness. It is what people have tried to activate, from the earliest shaman-sages, to Moses 3500 years ago, to Jesus 2,000 years ago, to Muhammad 1,400 years ago all the way up to the myriad of contemporary seekers.
What has been thought of traditionally, and described metaphorically as "knowing god" is a special mode of perception, a development of cognition that opens an extra dimension usually dormant in consciousness. Unfortunately, the heritage of this "second network" activation is more than a bit muddled, as our society is left with the followers of the original sages who through countless generations, have interpreted, reinterpreted, distorted and even replaced the original innovation and insight. This has created needless conflict and destructive hostility between different sects, and between science and spirituality.
The "second system" is a quiescence faculty; accidents can activate it, as can certain procedures such as meditation, isolation, fasting, overstimulation, prayer and drug use which have appeared in every known society. They involve a breakup or a bypass of normal cognition, and the opening of "another world" as it has been called metaphorically. The activation of this more inclusive consciousness is sometimes called "wisdom,' "perspective". "second sight" 'the sight of a seer" "deep or "direct perception" or "seeing god" .These are traditional terms that seem strange and off-putting that don't offer practical steps forward. However, the widespread similarity of such descriptions, infall areas of the world, indicates that the experience of altered states of consciousness is universal.
The "higher reality" --metaphorically presented as "seeing god" being 'born again" and "entering the light" among many other images --has not changed. However, it is now possible to connect the dots to understand these metaphors and the progression for attaining a higher insight, both neurobiologically and psychologically, it's time for a new conceptual framework, a framework based on the foundation of current knowledge, one without the restrictions, accumulations and clannishness of contemporary religions; one based on an understanding of the capacity for expanded consciousness inherent in us all.
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I'm glad to see it actually scientifically studied. I've always said that it's obvious that something exists and that explaining it away as "placebo" was ridiculous. Hopefully the author admitted the possibility that attaining this state at least might actually get one in contact with something "other", right, true, and real... and not just cite brain chemicals, blah, blah.
I and many other Christians (and other faiths as well) don't argue that this higher whatever can't be reached through other means. Myself, I admit that not everything I believe is 100% certainly true. I do know that Christianity is they key that has unlocked something right and true for me but I also acknowledge that other keys might fit that lock. Many paths to the same goal, grasshopper and all that.
All the bad things you've cited about religion are certainly true (as well as many good things). However, it's important to differentiate that they are true of religion, not God. Religion is the bureaucracy which has grown up around God and we all know how man made bureaucracies can become corrupt. Just look at the ideals that America was founded upon and where the bureaucracy we call our government has taken things.
What I don't like about religions are that they teach humans are nothing without god's grace. We are dirty, filthy, scum of the earth who don't deserve to be happy without god's blessings. Sin is used to recruit people into believing we need Jesus and salvation to be in god's favor and his forgiveness. I saw on a telephone pole today a sign that read "Jesus Saves". Save from what? Save from sin? The concept of sin is a faith based scare tactic by christian religions to recruit members for capital gain and strength within a society by putting the fear of eternal damnation and suffering for non-believers. You have to faith to believe in sin and coincidentally Christianity gives you a way out of eternal damnation by simply believing in faith that Jesus is the son of god, that god is the creator and that the Holy Spirit lives within you guiding you through life. Oh yeah, the sin that you inherited from man's disobedience to god at the beginning of time, well that is conveniently taken care of because now you are being held hostage by your faith.
And according to your faith you were unworthy scum of the earth, with no talent or means to achieve anything without god's grace? Why do Christians praise god for everything, good, bad or indifferent? I believe whatever is afforded to me, health, food, housing, and everything else I own or have access to is from my own doing and my place in life. I am accountable for my thoughts and behavior. There is such a thing as reconciling past offenses to people you have harmed in. your lifetime. You cannot be free from your past until you reach out to them and ask forgiveness for people you cannot reach you must forgive yourself.
This is essentially what Jesus is said to accomplish when you are granted salvation. My point is you don't need god, Jesus or religion. Everyone has the capacity for higher consciousness.it's just that religions don't want people to know that they are not needed and that they do not have the god market cornered. Religions depend on followers for financial and other means of support. With this support, religions have power to influence people and government thereby making religion a needed commodity in society.
If people learn they can acquire god, higher consciousness, wisdom, godlike qualities without religion it would be collapse of society as we know it today. If people were to learn they can have peace without guilt or remorse from sin on their own account religion would not have believers by their balls to support religious causes. Religion is a man-made institution under the disguise of a loving god who believers owe everything to. This mindset promotes helplessness and dependence on a concept that believers call faith.
And according to your faith you were unworthy scum of the earth, with no talent or means to achieve anything without god's grace? Why do Christians praise god for everything, good, bad or indifferent? I believe whatever is afforded to me, health, food, housing, and everything else I own or have access to is from my own doing and my place in life. I am accountable for my thoughts and behavior. There is such a thing as reconciling past offenses to people you have harmed in. your lifetime. You cannot be free from your past until you reach out to them and ask forgiveness for people you cannot reach you must forgive yourself.
This is essentially what Jesus is said to accomplish when you are granted salvation. My point is you don't need god, Jesus or religion. Everyone has the capacity for higher consciousness.it's just that religions don't want people to know that they are not needed and that they do not have the god market cornered. Religions depend on followers for financial and other means of support. With this support, religions have power to influence people and government thereby making religion a needed commodity in society.
If people learn they can acquire god, higher consciousness, wisdom, godlike qualities without religion it would be collapse of society as we know it today. If people were to learn they can have peace without guilt or remorse from sin on their own account religion would not have believers by their balls to support religious causes. Religion is a man-made institution under the disguise of a loving god who believers owe everything to. This mindset promotes helplessness and dependence on a concept that believers call faith.
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This is a great point and put as succintly as possible - I may borrow that one.
I agree MI$TER-ED in entirety just about --- idk why some christians must table jesus every third sentence. (A deep and profound insecurity about what they secretly have doubts on - just a working theory)
I say again (idk if I have in this thread) I follow "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" and let that be the true north of how I operate.....Beyond that people get lost in the details and taking things literally
--- "Fundamentalist any religion" is probably a nutcase. (From my experience)
This is a great point and put as succintly as possible - I may borrow that one.
I agree MI$TER-ED in entirety just about --- idk why some christians must table jesus every third sentence. (A deep and profound insecurity about what they secretly have doubts on - just a working theory)
I say again (idk if I have in this thread) I follow "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" and let that be the true north of how I operate.....Beyond that people get lost in the details and taking things literally
--- "Fundamentalist any religion" is probably a nutcase. (From my experience)
Yeah I feel this too.
Theres a lot of rereading passages in very literal meaning and trying to tie it back to some past event that may or may not have happened.
I fully respect taking a passage as a metaphor that helps better our self respect or giving ourselves and others grace, but yeah I feel like the more people try to make a longer and longer story the more likely it is to be further and further from the initial point.
It reminds me of historians trying to analyze a painting from centuries ago. They might say, "and Leonardo was depicting God's wrath upon the sexually taboo, while holding a glass of wine that represents sin and imminent death", it's like, no, probably not actually. The guy was just chilling.
Actually a great example I saw on PBS recently:
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I absolutely hate how that group calling itself "evangelicals" is giving Christians a bad name by trying to insert itself into politics (amongst other things).
"Render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's"
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“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
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"Shoot me a look it better be a blank stare, and quit lookin for a fuckin meaning that ain't there" (Many artists, musicians in particular get a kick out of that shit -- paintings I imagine the same?)
I think most artists will accept however you interpret there shit as YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THEIR ART (no greater compliment - ya dont tell that person they wrong unless its super backwards)
I have fell prey to this myself -- one example I can give (Outside of artistic misinterpretation that will only make me sound pretentious) was I was not in a great place and FB'd a friend that I had been up for a couple of nights drinking 153.
This mofo somehow thinks 153 is code for ICE (meth not the gestapo) and i have taken up meth and hard --- Had to squash that one quickly. "Remember the bottle of 153 diesel you see on my shelf all the time -- what on gods green earth"---
Bad place, didnt sleep for a couple days 153 kinda reads like ice if you do computer talk I suppose I could see it...
The point is Context is everything and we have very little to work with regarding the bible.
Broad strokes -- most religions emphasize very similar things on the broad strokes anyways. They tend to be the things that make sense .... to me at least.
Art is concept also
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I am going to agree.
Ill go further - Art can be an illusion.
I am catholic and a king james bible may as well be the local newspaper to me, I (If I so chose) could lie with my hand on a stack of those all day and feel no guilt --- prolly go laugh about it with the priest during confession, not because I feel guilty and need to confess --- cuz he needs some levity in his day!
You cannot really quantify the value or amount of "art" in something by any unit of measurement.
Ill go further - Art can be an illusion.
I am catholic and a king james bible may as well be the local newspaper to me, I (If I so chose) could lie with my hand on a stack of those all day and feel no guilt --- prolly go laugh about it with the priest during confession, not because I feel guilty and need to confess --- cuz he needs some levity in his day!
You cannot really quantify the value or amount of "art" in something by any unit of measurement.
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We see what we want to see.
Which is the beauty and also a lot of misunderstanding
Which is the beauty and also a lot of misunderstanding
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Well, you just might be on to something there. My research?God is an asshole
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{For the sake of this argument, we will say God does nothing but print money & fornicate}.
Q: What is earth called?
A: Gaia
"Gaia" can very easily be pronounced "Gay"
Q: Why the word "Gay"?
Because it has 3 letters / starts with 'G' (as does 'God')
Q: Is God gay?
My Covenant = 622*
Fornicate = 62*
Q: 62? You mean June 2nd?
A: Internatonal Sex Workers
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"Adam & Eve [and Lilith] tasted the fruit [of gay sex] and their eyes were opened [to what God does all day]."
PS- Does anyone think that that Netany*hu works for a living? LoL
A supernatural, all-encompassing being, able to do anything, anywhere, at any time, provides a compact and efficient explanation for the causes of a multiplicity of unexplained events--from sudden illness to weird dreams, to unusual weather--that is, to everything.
Although paradoxical, many religious ideas have become widespread precisely because they violate our standard worldview. A painted wooden statue that can talk, or a stone that listens to your problems and provides guidance shatters our normal assumptions--for an instance, that listening is done only by living things.. A man ascending to heaven after death is a pretty vivid image. All of this makes the supernatural more natural, dramatic and exciting--and because it's so unusual, it's easy to remember..
Reminders that god is watching are everywhere in our society and often go unnoticed. The watchful eye of god is often depicted in stained-glass windows of churches. The US currency have the phrase In god we trust. and some denominations include a floating eye atop a pyramid. An ever-watching god-figure may have been instituted to deter people from cheating, which would have been important as we formed societies that relied on cooperation.
The saying "it was god's will" or "god's doing" surpasses every possible explanation. There are millions of small groupings of people that belong to such companies, where families, and congregations can still believe in the same god. The sense of unity and connection beyond our individual selves, family, tribe or nation is the fundamental feature that has made humanity the most successful large animal on the planet, our ability for transcendent understanding was built upon it.
Religious fundamentalism is an extremely thick barrier rated worldview, one in which humanity and our actions are neatly and completely divided into "good" and "evil". Traditionalism and obedience to authority hold sway. The churches proclaim their knowledge above the creation of the earth, the origin of the universe , the nature of plants, and the nature of the relationship between the earth and sun In the past, the Catholic Church persecuted, prosecuted and even executed those who actually studied these phenomena.
Although paradoxical, many religious ideas have become widespread precisely because they violate our standard worldview. A painted wooden statue that can talk, or a stone that listens to your problems and provides guidance shatters our normal assumptions--for an instance, that listening is done only by living things.. A man ascending to heaven after death is a pretty vivid image. All of this makes the supernatural more natural, dramatic and exciting--and because it's so unusual, it's easy to remember..
Reminders that god is watching are everywhere in our society and often go unnoticed. The watchful eye of god is often depicted in stained-glass windows of churches. The US currency have the phrase In god we trust. and some denominations include a floating eye atop a pyramid. An ever-watching god-figure may have been instituted to deter people from cheating, which would have been important as we formed societies that relied on cooperation.
The saying "it was god's will" or "god's doing" surpasses every possible explanation. There are millions of small groupings of people that belong to such companies, where families, and congregations can still believe in the same god. The sense of unity and connection beyond our individual selves, family, tribe or nation is the fundamental feature that has made humanity the most successful large animal on the planet, our ability for transcendent understanding was built upon it.
Religious fundamentalism is an extremely thick barrier rated worldview, one in which humanity and our actions are neatly and completely divided into "good" and "evil". Traditionalism and obedience to authority hold sway. The churches proclaim their knowledge above the creation of the earth, the origin of the universe , the nature of plants, and the nature of the relationship between the earth and sun In the past, the Catholic Church persecuted, prosecuted and even executed those who actually studied these phenomena.