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God bless those cooking our acid.

Delsyd said:
But its not like that everywhere. There is certainly a dirty side to it as there is with most drug dealing. A taste of money gives a taste of greed.
But i have seen and met people who sell LSD so that others can experience its beauty.
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A lot of people get way to greedy with things, if your going to be giving people drugs you might as well charge them a bit, enough to make it kind of worth your while.

as hunter s. thompson said, "if your going to do something stupid, you have to be paid for it, or else you will be locked up".

Most need a little bit of incentive to break the law and take the risk, but many will just try to rob people blind. Lol, ketamine at $15 for a 10th, thank you but fuck no.

I could have made a lot of money off the 2c-i i ended up with, but a decent portion was eaten by me, and most of the rest was just given to people. "oh you have never tried 2c-i, here you go, have fun"

It almost seems wrong to try and make money off psychedelics. Your selling things that can move people to tears with the sheer beauty of the experience, and no price should be put on that.

I do wish it were cheaper, i have never really gone as far as i wanted to go with it, due to the sheer cost of it..... I want to eat like 10-20 hits, and that is anywhere from 100-150 dollars. And if im spending that much i might as well just throw for half a vial....
 
i suspect that the organized crime groups like the mafia and organizatzia, cartels, etc have the ability and probably cook up a lot of the LSD as well as MDMA for planet Earth... if one guy and a lot of determination can get there then Al Qeada and the likes must be big time producers..
 
somehow i doubt that the terrorist are making LSD.....

irony at its best if they are....

Poppies and oil are far better sources of income with a much larger customer base....
 
Something to be thankful for, yes. :-)

I'm of the opinion that it's more independent producers reaching local markets, as you put it, at least in the United States. This is a big country after all, 300+ million people. There's a large enough number of psychedelically-inclinded people that I can easily see more than just a handful of the organic chemistry grads and their cohorts among this subculture as being willing to invest their time and energy into its manufacture. That's not to say that it's a lot of people, but I would guess it's higher than most tend to think, and somewhat romanticize.

edit: also, don't underestimate the power of people to accomplish things they were never formally educated on given enough determination and effort, just look at Owsley for an example of that in the context of LSD manufacture...
 
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Putingrad said:
edit: also, don't underestimate the power of people to accomplish things they were never formally educated on given enough determination and effort, just look at Owsley for an example of that in the context of LSD manufacture...
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I know of people who do not have a degree in organic chemistry but if given everything needed to do it i would have faith in their ability.....

Even if you have the ability or know someone who could do it.... The difficulty is setting up the lab and then obtaining heavily watched and regulated precursors.....
 
jamaica0535 said:
The difficulty is setting up the lab and then obtaining heavily watched and regulated precursors.....
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This is why i think $x a hit for a 12 hour trip is not a bad price at all and the risk is a whole lot worse
 
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I think the lower the price, the closer to the cook you are (as far as the number of dealers the lucy went through before it got to you). The first time I ever bought a hit it was x$... Today if I buy it in my town (WS) it'll cost $y... but if I travel 1-2 hours up to the mountains, I can get it for z-c$ a hit and also, legit viles, or sheets, for $pretty cheap... Don't know if it's cooked in the different mountain cities here in NC or if it all comes from out of state and the main shipping points are the mountains... Correlation between the price and distance from cook is good in my mind
 
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SHROOMS!!! said:
This is why i think $x a hit for a 12 hour trip is not a bad price at all and the risk is a whole lot worse
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Yea, but when your the type who could go to the DMV and pass a drivers test on a hit of acid, it gets a little expensive....

I get the urge to eat 10-20 hits....

And why buy that much acid when for the same price i could buy 10 or so times that in 2c-i or other research chemicals?

2c-i and i can be tripping harder than i want to be for under a couple dollars....
DOM i was tripping for 20 hours off 7 dollars worth.

I have access to more LSD than i could ever take but its fucking expensive.... I like acid more than these drugs but when the price is just so much better, it gets easier and easier to justify....
 
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crazynate:] said:
I think the lower the price, the closer to the cook you are (as far as the number of dealers the lucy went through before it got to you). The first time I ever bought a hit it was x$... Today if I buy it in my town (WS) it'll cost $***... but if I travel 1-2 hours up to the mountains, I can get it for ***$ a hit and also, legit viles, or sheets, for $***... Don't know if it's cooked in the different mountain cities here in NC or if it all comes from out of state and the main shipping points are the mountains... Correlation between the price and distance from cook is good in my mind
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id have to agree with that statement... aslong as its good quality;)
 
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jamaica0535 said:
And why buy that much acid when for the same price i could buy 10 or so times that in 2c-i or other research chemicals?

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because 2c-i can never offer you what LSD can.

but i guess it all depends on why you're tripping in the first place and what you're trying t get out of the experience.

and lets try to keep price discussion to a minimum guys. i had to edit some posts.
plz
thx
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Personally I think the price helps me moderate myself, since i discovered 2ce in all its wondrous cheapness I've had to work a little harder to keep myself from going off the deep end a bit more than I would rationally like to. If acid was 50 cents a hit I'm pretty sure I could ruin myself pretty quickly.

Then again, I've only had quality liquid for the last 3-4 years of my life, so I guess if I had to eat 10-20 blotters at $10 a piece to get the same effect as a couple of drops I'd be pretty angry at that price too.
 
I'm lucky enough to have recently grabbed a sheet of fairly strong, good quality Madhatter acid (no taste). I'm saving 20 hits for Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland! (Madhatter blotter LSD at Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland in 3-D at Imax! I'm jizzing my pants just thinking about it!) The price was very reasonable, but having said that if there was no acid around I would be more than willing to pay up to $x for a good 300 µg dose (and probably more if there was no acid for any extended period of time). I've paid around that for a mild amount of peyote, 7 grams dried powder, because that's my only hookup for peyote and I wanted to try it. I've paid much more than $50 for a 2 hour concert which IMO is not nearly as profound or life-changing as a 10 hour trip down the rabbit hole. (Al though a Tool concert is extremely profound and Very psychedelic!) For the suppliers; street-level, mid-level, and especially the chemists to risk their freedom to supply the demand for liquid heaven I give them my utmost respect (not much money to be made when you're selling single hits for so cheap). Most local acid dealers in my city are not in it primarily for the money, many want to share this sacred chemical, but I completely respect their need to make money for risking their livelihood. If people weren't making any money while risking their freedom to supply LSD, their wouldn't be any dealers! The only constant acid supply are the okay blue/red/green hyros from the west coast so whenever I find really good quality acid I try to scoop up as much as possible. I think the reason there isn't more high quality acid floating around consistently is because of how cheap it is al ready. Many naive cheap asses think that because the standard price of a hit of acid is so cheap, they wont be "ripped off" by paying more. I'm frightened that this mentality will lead to the demise of LSD. This mentality is what led to pressed ecstasy pills becoming such shit after the price went down in my city from expensive (which were bomb), to moderate price, to abhorrently cheap as is common these days. You used to get a really good expensive pill of ecstasy and all you needed was one pill. Now at such cheap prices you have to take at least 2 and more likely 3 to get really high, and on top of that you get the satisfaction of knowing that what you are taking has a small amount of MDMA at best and a load of meth and any other host of stimulants and phenethylamines. So the question is do you want to pay cheap for shitty pills or pay expensive for good quality/strength pills of actual MDMA. The same is relevant for LSD. If people want good quality LSD then support your dealers that are risking selling it! Never mind how cheap LSD "should be" (without regarding education, time, lab, supplies, risk and opportunity cost). Give them a tip and keep the Merry Prankster Bus rolling!
 
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PepperSocks said:
God bless greedy capitalist pigs? Did I read that wrong? ;)

Seriously, maybe it's different elsewhere, but a tab of acid should cost a few cents. Maybe 50 cents would keep things flowing along and give them a comfortable life.

I won't go into prices but I personally am being ripped off for something that I want to obtain and they know they have a monopoly over it. It makes me sick what these people charge for LSD. It costs pennies to make and then they go and charge $10 per dose (that you need 2 of for a real trip). I know, the trip is priceless but that's what they're counting on; if you want it; you're going to pay for it.

It's straight up capitalist greed taking advantage of people who want something.

They can all blow up in their lab for all I care. Sorry, just really infuriated with the state of affairs.

The LSD trade is no different than the cocaine trade in my neck of the woods.
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The price for a kg of LSD straight from the lab from those guys of the silo bust was about 3 million(cfr wikipedia). That's not that bad for 10 million doses...
 
The last two LSD tabs I've had have been real clean, and one really strong :)

I don't mind paying what I am at the moment

Plus there are plenty of natural, free psys to use.
 
I thank Hoffman:) If it wasnt for him we would never of known bout this drug. But yea if one can pull off the synth with all the trouble then cant say more than awesome :P
 
jamaica0535 said:
I know of people who do not have a degree in organic chemistry but if given everything needed to do it i would have faith in their ability.....

Even if you have the ability or know someone who could do it.... The difficulty is setting up the lab and then obtaining heavily watched and regulated precursors.....
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I am taking my organic chemistry degree and I highly doubt any uneducated people, no matter the means, would be able to perform the synthesis. Let alone test it for impurities etc.
Percursors could be obtained from natural sources, though diethylamide would be a tough one to buy unnoticed as it's a precursor for many illegal drugs (DMT).
 
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