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Glue? Tell me the truth

meister

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I (honestly) haven't tried "huffing" glue, which is a very dangerous and stupid thing to do, but I know people that have. Some of them are experienced with other hallucinogens have told me (individually) that some of the most vivid hallucinations they had were from glue, the ones that they remembered longest. One compared the realistic hallucinations of high dosage dramamine to that of glue, but I have not done either. Many said that airplane or model glue was the best. Has anyone experienced this with glue or similar inhalants?
 
I have had a lot of experience (in my young and impressionable days) with lighter gas. I have to say that this was a brilliant high, but one which I'm never likely to try again. I never achieved hallucinations, but did experience all the mongy feelings which are associated with inhalants - grid vision when I closed my eyes, buzzing machinery like noises and fucked up thoughts. My advice - don't attempt it - me and many others have been lucky, but this a really easy and pointless route to death. Cheap and tacky describes it to a T in my book.
 
tell your friends to keep doin it so they kill all their brain cells and end up a bum on the street, his only possesion a dirty rag he uses at night to wipe off the imaginary gas still left in the gastation pumps.........
 
If your going to use inhalents you should only use Nitrous Oxide. Nitrous creates an incredible high which is short lasting. Its so popular its been nick named (hippy crack). It is relatively safe and is used by dentists to knock people out for surgery. Glue + house hold chemicals being used to get high will melt your fuckin brain and can cause permanent damage to your body and mind.
OUT
 
Drugs are supposed to be fun, not harmfull - and for the most part, they are... you have your drugs that do no harm at all, such as heroin, or LSD.. then you have your drugs that may cause some temporary damage that your body recovers from easily, unless blatently abued these are safe, an example would be your amphetamines, or perhaps cocaine.. but then you have GLUE, which is just flat out harmfull.. there isn't "safe" huffing procedure.. you have chemical vapors that can cause damage to yer respiratory system, give you blood poisoning, cause cardiac problems, the list goes on.. the "high" is also caused by a combo of the acute asphyxia as well as the chemical vapors ...
Hufing is lame, go find real drugs!
 
I was just led to believe that there was something specific about glue. I'm not planning on finding out, I just wanted to know if it works differently than other inhalants. I guess anything with trichloroethane would be similar?
 
Like PhreeX said, a lot of the inhalant high comes from asphyxiation. Just hold your breath. Whee.
 
Originally posted by PhreeX:
Drugs are supposed to be fun, not harmfull - and for the most part, they are... you have your drugs that do no harm at all, such as heroin, or LSD..
What! I've heard an Addiction Medicine Specialist say the two drugs that scare him the most are LSD and E. They both cause irreversable damage to the brain and can cause severe depression and mood disorders years after using.
 
Bullshit... who is this addiction specialist, Dr. Drew? With E, he's probably right. With LSD, there is absolutely no data to back up it causing depression or other mood disorders -- despite extensive search that you can be sure took place. LSD has been around, and in the public eye, for a long damn time now; if there was evidence that it caused mood disorders or "irreversible damage to the brain," you'd bet there'd be great interest. But I have looked and looked, and you can't find a single paper on the subject.
What happens is that these addiction doctors see a very biased group of people -- those who have serious enough problems to become their patients. Unsurprisingly, nearly all of them are going to be fucked up. As far as I can tell, the claims of "irreversible brain damage" for LSD are completely pulled out of thin air... there is no scientific evidence on the subject, as opposed to say MDMA/methamphetamine, where brain damage has been demonstrated.
 
It was one doctors opinion after working with people, mostly men, who all have common mood problems and all have used "considerable" amounts of LSD~> over 15 times. I personally have done minimal research so I can only speak what I have heard. I have not read or heard anything that proves this theory wrong.
The point of my prior post was that saying LSD does no harm at all is a bold statement. I have seen a good friend who loves dose a little too much gradually get very paranoid and repetitave body shivers from LSD use. I have used LSD 40+ times and have noticed no effects other than permatrails and what I call acid headaches.
I am intrested to hear any factual information on this. Anyway, wrong forum.
 
PhreeX's comments on huffing substances says it all. Since there are so many other drugs available, using something like glue is just absurd. There's no reason to give yourself that much brain damage just to get high when you have a million other drug options.
As for LSD causing damage, I think that's a lot of bullshit. Although there can be long term problems associated with it's use, particularly frequent use or using high doses.
I have used LSD on about 175 seperate occassions. I'm very conscious of how my use of all drugs has effected me and I know what drugs have caused damage and what hasn't. I don't think LSD is something that causes any physical brain damage and I consider it relatively benign.
The only damage LSD does is to some of the occular nerves. This is what is responsible for "permatrails". Basically your hand responds to visual stimuli after the stimuli has been removed. For example, when you move your hand and see trails, your brain believes it's still seeing the hand after it's moved to a different part of your vision. This will definantly go away after some time, though. Your occular nerves will eventually repair themselves. Another part of the permatrail phenomenon, in my opinion, is placebo. At a young age most people are told stories about trails. Your learn about it in public school health classes. The information is ingrained in your head and you tend to make yourself expect it to happen, so it does.
It took me about a year for my trails to go away after I quit using psychedelics.
Any other damage associated with LSD is purely psychological. LSD use causes profoundly intense mental experiences. Most of the time you have revelations that change your perceptions about life. These revelations stick with you and become part of your psyche.
Chronic LSD users tend to be "spacey" and disconnected. In my case, whenever LSD was around I would binge heavily on it, using it several times a week for periods of up to months at a time. I became disconnected from reality and the perceptions I attained from my LSD experiences stuck with me. When I quit using psychedelics, I made a strong effort to put my life back together and live more normally and develop normal relationships with non drug users and reintegrated back into more conventional thinking. After about a year I became grounded again. The other side effects that heavy LSD users get include ADHD-like symptoms and they tend to have problems constructing sentences. To further elaborate on that they often have a difficult time keeping to one subject or putting words together correctly. I had this and it too went away with time.
AS for mood disorders associated with LSD use, I think this definantly is common when you're using LSD a lot or for a while after you discontinue use. But for all the people that I've met that were heavy LSD users who ended up quitting, I don't think this is a phenomenon that last more than a year or two after use of psychedelics and marijuana is discontinued. The mood disorders associated with the use of psychedelics make sense, as it is effecting your serotonin and other chemicals in the brain related to mood. But since it's not actually damaging any of the transmitters or receptors, it also makes sense that the mood disorders would also go away fairly quickly after the use of psychedelics is discontinued.
Marijuana definantly brings back symptoms associated with LSD use and other psychdelics. For people that quit psychedelics but continue to use marijuana, the long term effects of psychedelics take much longer to recover from. But for people who don't use marijuana after they quit psychedelics, the long term effects go away fairly quickly.
Now MDMA is another story. I strongly believe that it causes permanent or very long term damage to memory cells and 5-HT neurons. In my own experience, the symptoms I developed from MDMA and MDA use were all symptoms that correlated perfectly with the damage of those parts of the brain. And having been aquainted with literally hundreds of ecstasy users, I've noticed common traits over and over and over. I also began using ecstasy with a group of friends.. I think there were 22 of us in all. After a five year period, everyone had quit independent of each other from using because of various symptoms associated with ecstasy use. These symptoms ranged from various mood disorders, depression, symptoms of bipolar, severely aggravated bipolar for those with pre-existing conditions, anxiety, social phobia, memory loss, sleep disorders, long term decreased appetites, disconnection from reality, chronic fatigue, ADHD-like symptoms, changes in relationships with other people, being mentally burnt out, etc., etc. The list goes on and on.
Everyone I have EVER met that has used MDMA has claimed that it has changed them. Aside from physical changes to the brain, like other psychedelics it also causes psychological changes. And while a lot of people claim the psychological changes are good and most claim they have had no problems resulting from their use, I have only met a small handful of people that seem as on point as they were before they started using, or for those that I didn't meet before they started using it's always been obvious to me that they were users and weren't completely with it or normal. This isn't to say that none of these people were "successful" or able to maintain normal lives as far as maintaining social relationships, holding jobs, doing good at school, etc.
I think part of the reason so many ecstasy users are quick to write off anything as far as "brain damage" associated with MDMA use is pretty simple. When you hear "brain damage", you're generally inclined to think of it being severely debilitating. Again, I strongly believe that MDMA causes physical damage to the brain, but in relativity to other types of brain damage, it's very minor and almost insignificant, even to those that suffer from some form of impairments. You can still function pretty normally, if not completely normally. Some people don't even notice any negative symptoms from ecstasy use. Say you develop memory problems. Your brain will find new paths to both store and access information. The other problem is you have doctors exagerating problems and making claims such as ecstasy causing holes in the brain. There are definantly users who have inactive serotonin components and such of the brain. And sure, there's a chance that some of these people had pre-existing conditions. But I think there has been enough research done where at least some of these people didn't develop these problems until after using ecstasy and that they are related to ecstasy use. And then there are other nay-sayers who want to make a big deal out of some of these subjects being poly-drug users. Keep in mind most other drugs have been more extensively studied and none of them have all the same similiar characteristics that show up in a lot of ecstasy users. And keep in mind that different people react differently to different drugs. Not everyone is going to respond the same way or suffer from the same problems, if any problems at all. Hell, for all the Percocet I've eaten over the past 8 years my liver should be dead from all the acetaminophen, yet it's perfectly functional, healthy and normal (not to say it won't haunt me later, though).
Back to huffing, though.. this is serious brain damage. The kind of damage comparable to a severe head injury. A few years ago I was forced to attend a few Narcotics Anonymous meetings so my drug rehab counselor would graduate me. I got to see a few gas and glue huffers "speak". These people had literally made themsevles retarded. I'm talking about severe loss of motor skills and sounding like they had Down's Syndrome. Sure, most recreational drugs are going to cause SOME problems, but as I said earlier, with the hundreds of other intoxicant choices you have, we can find something better to do than huff glue. So let's not.
 
SoveitContin - WTF?! You say that LSD doesn't cause damage, but then say it can cause long term problems? Bottom line - we know that LSD is a lot like the serotonin molecule, but we really don't know SHIT about what the ACTUAL
actions/damages/side effects are.
Madhatter - "will melt your fuckin brain and can cause permanent damage to your body and mind." You obviously have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
As far as I can tell, meister was asking about information regarding inhaling glue, i.e. wtf it does to one's brain that makes it different than other inhalants. I don't post very much on this board, but jesus christ, don't fill the topic with useless diatribe that means nothing. Answer his fucking question or not at all (because I'm curious too, and I have no clue!). Yeah, we understand the asphyxia - most inhalants do this - anything DIFFERENT about glue?
 
I'm simply talking about physical harm, psychological side effects are subjective.. LSD doesn't cause harm to the user phyiscally, no holes in your brain, no problems with yer heart, shit like that.. chronic use may lead to some mild depression but you will recover.. same with heroin - you may get addicited but you could use daily for the rest of your life and never physically suffer...
 
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