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snolly said:
Yup, few drugs seem to be devoid of side effects but it's the ones that have the good side effects that seem to get magicked away. A slightly related thing that pisses me off: 'SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome'. Call it what it is. It's worse than a fucking speed or MDMA comedown for sure and I've had one doctor tell me that they simply don't have any withdrawals at all.
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Good point. I never thought of that. Maybe I'm in the wrong here. Sorry <3

BecomingJulie said:
Because people were using it for fun.

Free drugs courtesy of the wonderful old NHS that get you very pleasantly off your box, if you just present the correct symptoms? Really?

Besides which, anything people enjoy must be bad. And anything that happens later can always be blamed on the drug, whether or not it had anything to do with it.
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However, people enjoy opiates yet they're still prescribed for pain?

Evey
 
Ah no need to apologise, forums are all about debate and whatnot after all :)
 
Eveleivibe said:
However, people enjoy opiates yet they're still prescribed for pain?
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in the u.s. the criteria used for drug scheduling are acceptability of medical use and potential for abuse and/or dependence. so, for example, schedule i drugs (e.g. heroin, lsd, mdma) have (in the opinion of the government) no acceptable medical use and a high potential for abuse.

oddly, in the u.s., cocaine is a schedule ii drug and marijuana is schedule i (i.e. government scheduling believes that cocaine has less abuse potential than marijuana).

if you go looking for logic in government drug scheduling, youi'll often not find it. draw the obvious conclusion.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
there are many other tests for clinical depression and its symptoms. why would you feel that only a blood test is a suitable test as part of the diagnosis?

alasdair
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If you're meaning psychometric testing they're not accurate. For instance if a person is feeling low on a day of completing the questionaire they are more likely to answer the questions negatively, than if they're not feeling as low. People can n do manipulate the questionnaires for their own advantage ie to get on benefits etc.

Evey
 
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With regard to the first bit, and this is only in my experience mind, I was given those tests over a period of weeks of CBT and consultations with my GP before hand. I don't agree meds are right for everyone but really mental illness is a (in the world of medicine at least) a fairly non-specific thing that can be managed with drugs. Despite their use in managing and curing diseases that CAN be diagnosed accurately, it isn't a pre-requisite, it just means a lot of consideration must be taken beforehand. Like, I've just been given medication for IBS. I've had no tests bar a physical exam to rule out anything more serious but (I hope) the doctor took the physical symptoms I reported into account, my medical history, and then gave me the medication to see if it works. I'd rather that than not be prescribed shit that will most likely work. I know antidepressants have far more potential for negative reactions but then that's why they keep checking up on you when you start taking them and work with you if they don't work.

Not trying to sound condescending btw just very high and not good at writing words
 
snolly said:
With regard to the first bit, and this is only in my experience mind, I was given those tests over a period of weeks of CBT and consultations with my GP before hand. I don't agree meds are right for everyone but really mental illness is a (in the world of medicine at least) a fairly non-specific thing that can be managed with drugs. Despite their use in managing and curing diseases that CAN be diagnosed accurately, it isn't a pre-requisite, it just means a lot of consideration must be taken beforehand. Like, I've just been given medication for IBS. I've had no tests bar a physical exam to rule out anything more serious but (I hope) the doctor took the physical symptoms I reported into account, my medical history, and then gave me the medication to see if it works. I'd rather that than not be prescribed shit that will most likely work. I know antidepressants have far more potential for negative reactions but then that's why they keep checking up on you when you start taking them and work with you if they don't work.

Not trying to sound condescending btw just very high and not good at writing words
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Yes that makes sense. Good point.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
If you're meaning psychometric testing they're not accurate...
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i was talking about clinical diagnosis by testing for symptoms.
Eveleivibe said:
Anyway why do you have to get involved in all my posts? Are you trying to humilate me or summit?
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all your posts? please stop exaggerating.

for goodness sake, evey. you and i must have a totally different definition of humiliate. you asked a question, i asked you a question in return to engage in a discussion.

i didn't say you were wrong. i didn't call you a name. i didn't mock or question your person. how on earth could any reasonable person jump to the conclusion that i'm trying to humiliate you?

this is a public discussion, evey. when you write a post, you are implicitly requesting responses. even mine. don't you understand that some responses are going to disagree with you? some are going to ask you questions in response, in an effort to have a discussion. you're not being attacked and to conclude that you are from a simple response is drama we can all do without. thanks.

alasdair
 
What are the therapeutic dose for MDMA therapy? I'd imagine you'd only require 80-100mg to get a couple talking or open up someone with ptsd and no previous experience.

I don't know about any one else but I need a lot more than that to rave, particularly after using regularly for 20 odd years.

Personally I don't get serious come downs. A bit tired and jaded still come Tuesday morning perhaps, but I don't consider that a problem. Unfortunate the majority of problem users cane ecstasy for 10 hours straight, power on through Sunday and feel like shit Monday. It's the weakest link that ruins it for the majority, whether it's alcohol or drugs. Most people are aware of their bodies, adjust their limits accordingly, and are responsible enough to still turn out for work after weekend. Most laws exist because of the 5-10% of idiots who can't regulate their use and either die ding stupid shit or suffer from depression or other ill health as a result.

The laws of the land have never been any of my concern.
 
Aye, any comedowns I've had from MDMA have been the feeling a bit depressed a day or so later - not suicidal, just crying over stupid things and that - and maybe a bit skittish and anxious. It's manageable. There are a few drugs I'd never do again because of the comedown/withdrawals, but that's not one of them and to be fair they were drugs I abused the shit out of. I can see it being completely negligible in a therapeutic setting.
 
I've never had that bad a comedown from MDMA - certainly felt far far worse after coke / generic stim binges.

But what's the point in taking them if they give you symptoms like that? I don't understand it.
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Then what's the point in taking opiates if they make you constipated and itchy? Or if a habit gives you withdrawal?

Feeling a bit tired the day after MDMA, for me, is worth it for an experience that can potentially change my life for the better :)
 
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