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Sadie
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Sham isn't on a break, He's otherwise engaged and a little bit lazy
. He's just not been on BL much. BAD MOD! And has been told off on more than one occasion. Life is always good when SHM is around! Love that boy! xx
Morning all. Hope everyone is doing wonderfully well. xx
There is a huge problem with stigmatism against people with mental health issues and statements like that are one way that it manifests. Pyschiatrists are highly trained, experienced professional people who have daily contact with people with all sorts of mental health problems across a spectrum of severity. They know when someone is genuinely ill and when they are just 'a bit low' or trying it on.
Clinical depression is not diagnosed by asking someone to fill in a questionaire, and it is not diagnosed in the space of a 10 minute appointment.
Psychiatrists are probably the best medical professionals at spotting people trying to manipulate them, it is something they face regularly.
I totally resent the way you've thrown in 'to get on benefits' in there at the end, that is a totally seperate issue and conflating the two is one reason why there is so much stigma against people with mental health issues in this country.
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
I've been given this questionnaire at least 3 times. All in that 10 min window. Twice I scored "depressed" Explained that it's situation depression not clinical depression. Was given meds anyway. The first time I took them. They helped but IMO I'm on the fence on that one. Yes, they did help for a short term problem and saw me through it but giving people long term meds for a temp problem. There must be a better way. Talking therapy is best but as most of us know that's a rare gem indeed! So they just chuck pills at you and hope for the best or so it seems to me. I'm a happy go lucky person if not a bit sarcastic and sassy but on the whole, usually despite the troubles I have going on I am usually full of laughter and find joy in small things. The questions that are asked seem simplistic to me. Each time I've been given it, it has been in a quick docs visit and not much interaction been given. I don't agree with it. There should be more funding towards mental health and more services given for talking therapy and CBT. Sadly, this is not the case. Many go with out due to this.
Also, I agree about the benefits thing. Separate issue. Usually the two have nothing to do with one another. Mental health gets enough of a beating when it comes to social stigma but to relate the two. No. Just no.
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steewith2ees
Bluelight Crew
They must do things differently in the health service in your area, for me to get a diagnosis of clinical depression I had to be referred to a psychiatrist (who can then refer you for CBT or other approaches). The GP's generally though are quite quick to hand out frontline antidepressants to patients before they will refer them to a psychiatrist, partly beceause as you say the mental health services are hugely underfunded and stressed to breaking point.
Sadie
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Stee my love!!! How are you keeping? Well I hope. Sorry for any gaps in convo. These days my communication is some what taken up by one on one chat with a certain someone. Sorry love.
I hope you're doing well. You know how to reach me if you want a chat though. I'm not intentionally being ignorant of conversations. xxx Doesn't mean to say that I'm not being completely ignorant. Many apologies.
How are you keeping? Well I hope. Sorry for any gaps in convo. These days my communication is some what taken up by one on one chat with a certain someone. Sorry love. I hope you're doing well. You know how to reach me if you want a chat though. I'm not intentionally being ignorant of conversations. xxx Doesn't mean to say that I'm not being completely ignorant. Many apologies.
steewith2ees
Bluelight Crew
sameold sameold. saturday was good as i had the house to myself but still just counting the daze. no need to apologise mate u know where i am x
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
Thats the thing though, I've never been clinically depressed. I have been in situations that have made me "depressed" I.E. Going through a very difficult time. Been given long term meds for this. I am not and have never been clinically depressed. They twice now have tried to put me on a long term script. The first time I took it. The second I did not. All of this done within a normal 10 min doctors visit window. I simply do not agree with this.
More CBT and talking therapy needs offered. You simply cannot chuck meds at people. Sometimes the issues can be dealt with with out medication. It seems these days it's the easiest and cheapest option. Not the best option. I can't even blame the doctors. I'm sure they care but they don't have the resources. IMO more funding needs to be given to Mental health. Sadly, this is not the case.
I agree totally, sadly GP's are just not equipped to deal with complex mental health issues and the way medications like antidepressants are promoted to them by drug company reps doesn't help atall. They literally send round a sales rep ones a month to give them mugs with the logo on and foist new drugs on them to push to their patients, one of hte most bizarre things ive seen in a doctors office is a stapler with QUETIAPINE(tm) logo on it. Local health authorities just make lists of first and second line medications for these conditions and the GP's use this as a guide to prescribing.
I think a lot of the lack of funding is due to the fact people who do suffer from mental health problems can be some of the least able to advocate for themselves, that and the fact that many of the most common but at the same time severe mental health problems tend to be invisible to other people. The stigma associated with it, historically, persists in this day and age and the way this causes many people to hide their illness from others out of shame, extends to the larger scale of society wanting to pretend these people and their problems don't exist and should be swept under the carpet.
I remember some politician, cant remember which party, banging on about how we need 'parity of esteem' between mental and physical health in this country. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen any time soon.
I think a lot of the lack of funding is due to the fact people who do suffer from mental health problems can be some of the least able to advocate for themselves, that and the fact that many of the most common but at the same time severe mental health problems tend to be invisible to other people. The stigma associated with it, historically, persists in this day and age and the way this causes many people to hide their illness from others out of shame, extends to the larger scale of society wanting to pretend these people and their problems don't exist and should be swept under the carpet.
I remember some politician, cant remember which party, banging on about how we need 'parity of esteem' between mental and physical health in this country. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen any time soon.
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
TBF Ceres, Mental health has become some what of a hot topic with many people openly speaking about it. I'm so very proud at the publicity it's been getting over the last few years. I'm not into celebrities but it seems that's sadly the loudest voice. People like Stephen Fry Speaking of his own issues and many more.
I never knew why it was something to be ashamed of. Sure I was embarrassed both times when I broke each foot. Mostly because I was being a tit but others offered their condolences. I was never embarrassed about being on anti depressants. I've witnessed far too many times when people have had mental health issues and it simply being swept under the rug. "oh, we don't speak of that" Why not?
Okay, Maybe I'm a bit too simplistic. But is that not just another injury? Something that needs treated? The very last thing anyone with mental health issues needs to deal with is stigma. That's like punching someone with a broken arm in the arm.... Don't worry chuck, It'll heal.
Recently I've had to inform my work that the hours they ( at the time ) had me on was really playing havoc with my mental health. Wasn't sleeping enough considering my situations out side of work. Never once felt ashamed to discuss this. If embarrassment were felt it would be by the other person and IMO that's not my problem. I have enough of my own problems to care if someone else has a problem with my issues.
Dunno, be nice, be kind and above all be understanding. That's been a hard lesson for me.
I never knew why it was something to be ashamed of. Sure I was embarrassed both times when I broke each foot. Mostly because I was being a tit but others offered their condolences. I was never embarrassed about being on anti depressants. I've witnessed far too many times when people have had mental health issues and it simply being swept under the rug. "oh, we don't speak of that" Why not?
Okay, Maybe I'm a bit too simplistic. But is that not just another injury? Something that needs treated? The very last thing anyone with mental health issues needs to deal with is stigma. That's like punching someone with a broken arm in the arm.... Don't worry chuck, It'll heal.
Recently I've had to inform my work that the hours they ( at the time ) had me on was really playing havoc with my mental health. Wasn't sleeping enough considering my situations out side of work. Never once felt ashamed to discuss this. If embarrassment were felt it would be by the other person and IMO that's not my problem. I have enough of my own problems to care if someone else has a problem with my issues.
Dunno, be nice, be kind and above all be understanding. That's been a hard lesson for me.
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
My "weekend" actually falls on a weekend this week!!!! Had to take some holidays as I've accrued too many. 3 days off soon then ..... CAMPING!!!!!!!!!
Very good morning to you gorgeous bear. Hope all is well.
Very good morning to you gorgeous bear. Hope all is well.
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
CAMPING!!!!! 12 DAYS!!! Sorry just overly excited! Like a jack Russel with a catherine wheel shoved up it's arse!
Yeah, I'm THAT excited.
Yeah, I'm THAT excited.
I'm not having a go at you or trying to turn people against you! I just disagree with what you said and it is an issue I feel quite strongly about. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but if you choose to air it in public then don't be surprised if there is criticism of it....
FWIW I've also studied psychology at university.
FWIW I've also studied psychology at university.
Urbain
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Do I dare repeat myself, or will my 'butt in' remarks fall on deaf ears, as I'm on ignore?
Sadie
Bluelight Crew
Oh Evey, Ceres wasn't having a go at you at all. This is an open topic one which many of us have experience with. Either first hand or through helping others. Don't take it personally darling. I read his comments, they were of no reflection of you IMO. Simply a discussion xx
Much is open to interpretation. Sometimes it's just craic.
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Don't stir the shit Urbain.
*Raises perfectly shaped eyebrow *
Eveleivibe
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Ok then i apologise n take it back. I believe psychomedtric testing is useful in conjunction with other metheds n seeing a health care profession just not useful on their own as open to errors. Wasn't trying to stagmatise.
Evey