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Gibberings CXVI - The end is nigh - False alarm, as you were

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@ ismene It seems to damage the u s of a folk anyway...or maybe the damage is already there and 80mg of a pill ingested in half over a '3 day binge' precipitates it? =D
 
It damages the USA folk cos, as Specialk keeps atempting to point out, they all read all scare stories on ED before they roll, and convince themselves it's a bit of an ordeal...then after, the slightest twinge and they're checking in with Folley and the like to find out how badly they could be fucked and what length break is advised.

I advise a 3 month break by the way.
 
I'd suggest a "how to deal with your comedown" sticky. But it's unlikely anyone would follow that just post anyway if they were convinced their head was fucked forever.

How about we tidy up the gibberings thread by consolidating all this chat to a separate forum. Ecstacy discussion discussion anyone?
 
What happened in the end with Smiley Culture's murderdeath in suspicious circumstances?

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from Nov 2011

Police

Smiley Culture's death in police raid does not justify charges, IPCC rules

Reggae star's family furious at watchdog's finding that despite a flawed operation there was 'no evidence of a criminal offence'

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Amelia Hill
The Guardian, Tuesday 29 November 2011 20.20 GMT

Reggae star Smiley Culture
Smiley Culture died in a drugs raid on his home in March from stab wounds that police claim were self-inflicted. Photograph: David Corio/Redferns

Police have been criticised by an independent watchdog for a botched raid that led to the death of reggae star Smiley Culture, it was revealed on Tuesday.

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) claim that Smiley Culture, otherwise known as David Emmanuel, died after stabbing himself through the heart during a drugs raid at his Surrey home on 15 March 2011.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) conducted an investigation into Emmanuel's death. The summary of their final report – the coroner has asked that the full report is not made public or shared with Emmanuel's family – condemns the raid as significantly flawed and compels the MPS to overhaul the way they plan and execute future drug seizures.

But the commission also concluded there was no evidence to justify pursuing criminal charges against any of the four officers at Emmanuel's house when the singer, 48, is alleged to have killed himself.

"The investigation has found no evidence that a criminal offence may have been committed," IPCC commissioner Mike Franklin announced in a statement. "The investigation [also] found there were no individual failings which, for the purposes of the [Police (Conduct) Regulations 2008], amounted to misconduct.

"However, the IPCC investigation did raise concerns about several areas of the operation, which included operational planning and risk management," Franklin added. "A separate report detailing the learning identified by the IPCC investigation is being sent to the MPS so that they can consider its recommendations and respond to the IPCC with actions for implementing learning where required."

Merlin Emmanuel, the singer's nephew, said his family has reacted to the IPCC findings with "anger, resentment and resilience" and accused the watchdog of treating them with "contempt".

None of the officers involved in the death of Emmanuel was suspended, and the IPCC's decision to treat them as witnesses and not suspects mean they were never formally interviewed.

Emmanuel's family want to know why the four officers handcuffed him after his fatal injury, even though an independent pathologist's report stated that the stab wound would have caused "rapid collapse and death within a few minutes".

They also question why the officer at the time of Emmanuel's death refused a direct request by the IPCC's lead investigator to give a formal interview.

They will now launch a private prosecution against the officers involved in the tragedy.

"We firmly believe Smiley was murdered and that the IPCC have let us down and treated us miserably," said Merlin Emmanuel.

"They promised us a thorough investigation and that they would get to the bottom of what happened.But there are still so many unanswered questions – and the IPCC have now made sure that the officers who saw what happened are never going to be pressed to tell the truth about what happened that day," he said.

Their disappointment in the IPCC's investigation has caused Emmanuel's family to set up The Campaign for Justice: a 24-hour advice and support line for people whose loved ones have died in police custody.

"Our experience has led us to the sad and awful conclusion that not only will there continue to be deaths in police custody but that grieving families will not receive justice or empathy from the system as it currently operates," said Merlin Emmanuel.

The IPCC report has been sent to the official coroner to begin preparation for the inquest, which will be held with a jury.

The inquest, however, will not take place before the conclusion of the criminal trials to which Emmanuel was allegedly linked. These two trials are scheduled to be heard in early 2012. The IPCC intends to publish its investigation report when all proceedings are concluded
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from here http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/29/smiley-culture-death-no-charges

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2 months ago

Smiley Culture drugs plot man has jail term cut

October 19, 2012

A DRUG dealer who conspired to supply £500,000 of cocaine in a plot linked to the late reggae DJ Smiley Culture has had his jail term cut on appeal.

Ryan McCalla, 31, was one of three people charged after a woman was arrested in possession of 1kg of the drug shortly after leaving the 80s singer's home in Hillbury Road, Warlingham, in July 2010.

McCalla, of Temple Avenue, Dagenham, Essex, was jailed for nine years and three months at Croydon Crown Court in March this year after he admitted conspiring to supply class A drugs.

But sitting at London's Criminal Appeal Court on Thursday (October 18), Lady Justice Rafferty, Mr Justice McCombe and Mrs Justice Thirlwall reduced the sentence to eight years after ruling he was treated too harshly.

No charges for police over death
Reggae DJ dies in police raid

Lawyers for McCalla argued that he was not given enough credit for pleading guilty, and for the delay caused by the investigation into the death of Smiley Culture, real name David Emmanuel.

The 48-year-old was on bail charged with conspiracy to supply class A drugs in relation to the same investigation when he stabbed himself in the heart during a police raid at his home on March 15, 2011.

On McCalla's appeal, Mr Justice McCombe said: "This went beyond a routine supply offence and a starting point of 12 years cannot be criticised.

"However, in the case of Ryan McCalla, there was no reason why a deduction of one third should not have been applied [for his guilty plea].

"We quash the sentence imposed and replace it with a sentence of eight years' imprisonment."

An appeal against a 12-year sentence by McCalla's father, Lloyd Winston McCalla, of the same address, was refused. The 51-year-old was found guilty of conspiracy to supply class A drugs.

Carlene Wilson, 27, of Chadwell Heath Lane, Romford, was jailed for four years and six months in March after also being convicted of the same offence.

She was stopped in a minicab in the Whyteleafe area on July 2, 2010 and found to be in possession of a black laptop bag containing the cocaine.

Police said Lloyd and Ryan McCalla had previously entered Emmanuel's property with the bag, before they went back to pick it up and the younger man handed it to Wilson in the cab.
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from here http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2122596_smiley_culture_drugs_plot_man_has_jail_term_cut
 
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Got written off as not suspicious, then people got distracted by some other public outrage.
 
Mailmonkey said:
What happened in the end with Smiley Culture's murderdeath in suspicious circumstances?
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A good question I ask myself regularly. Basically they got away with it.

This Mayan thing. Is there a specific time on Friday we all die or whatever? Can you adjust the time for GMT or did the South Americans factor that in?
 
Mailmonkey said:
It damages the USA folk cos, as Specialk keeps atempting to point out, they all read all scare stories on ED before they roll, and convince themselves it's a bit of an ordeal...
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Hmm, I do see how this could be a factor, but I think there's more to it than that. Way back when I first started using, I hadn't heard most of the scare stories, and I didn't believe anyone when they told me I should cut it back a bit. Result was lots of anxiety, depression, paranoia, brain zaps - no-one told me that would happen, but it did.

And then there's the whole 'post-rave comedown' thing - it didn't come from media scare stories originally, it came from users. Whereas the media was saying things like "E will give you terrifying hallucinations" and so on - and no-one actually started hallucinating as a result of that.

On the other hand, there are people who never get those effects. I've known people who took a lot more MDMA than I ever did, without seeming to have any problems at all. So there's maybe a difficult path to walk between warning people about genuine negative effects, and scaring them into experiencing those effects.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
This Mayan thing. Is there a specific time on Friday we all die or whatever? Can you adjust the time for GMT or did the South Americans factor that in?
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Probably the end of the day, Mayan time. Maybe the beginning. I suggest being high, just in case. (Bonus: you then don't have to take a break afterwards. Because you're dead. Being dead is the break).
 
Infinite Jest said:
Probably the end of the day, Mayan time. Maybe the beginning. I suggest being high, just in case. (Bonus: you then don't have to take a break afterwards. Because you're dead. Being dead is the break).
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How many pills am i allowed to take if my break is to be infinite?

And will i be on the comedown for all eternity, ie, will i ruin my death experience if i roll fire balls beforehand?
 
I still can't believe that people in America call taking E 'rolling' in standard real life conversation with a straight face
 
I'm starting to after the last few days.

I'm thinking of rolling on Saturday night actually,been ages, quite fancy it again now :)
 
Mailmonkey said:
It damages the USA folk cos, as Specialk keeps atempting to point out, they all read all scare stories on ED before they roll, and convince themselves it's a bit of an ordeal...then after, the slightest twinge and they're checking in with Folley and the like to find out how badly they could be fucked and what length break is advised.

I advise a 3 month break by the way.
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a lot of people i know are afraid to take LSD or mushies because you will freak ou, see the devil and have flash backs in 10 years time while driving a car on a mountain road.
 
Controversial opinion here, "Rolling" doesn't bother me too much. The UK has its fair share of drug slang I'm sure Americans mock*

What we should be complaining about is that EDM/"Kandi Kid" shite they seem eat up like no tomorrow


*in their winey annoying fucking voices pumped from their hamburger stuffed mouths in between periodic outbursts of god bless America whilst driving their SUV (that's automatic, not "stickshift")
 
i am so fucking high right nowm it is of little importance, or intgerest, butg i am way too high to dfid the im fucjed thread,fewmjghbllmsftffThis post is 100% pointless, thankyhou i will now take applause.
 
i swear nothing gets on my tits more than being patronized or treated like an idiot by an arrogant prick
 
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