Gibberings CLXXX - one hundred and eiiiiiiiiiighty!

[Allein]

Jesus FG, step away from the jiffy bag FFS, I would have thought Eph and some random 'blend' was about the last thing you needed right now.

How about flushing it and basking in the self righteousness of doing so %)

 

[lurching]

@lurch

you have aspergers syndrome you revealed in the past what is the medication regime for that condition if any?

Aspergers is usually "mild" and there isn't much to help with the core symptoms aside from some experimental drugs that are still being trialled (oxytocin, arbaclofen), and SSRIs. The aim of those drugs is basically to improve social functioning. My symptoms are a bit more severe than regular Asperger's so I'm a bit further on the spectrum, but still in the "high functioning" group. What you see in this group is that antipsychotics are common, mostly to control frustration and aggresion. There's quite a lot of Ritalin too. I currently get cannabis and pregabalin, and I'm trying to find to find an antidepressant that has more pros than cons. Cannabis and pregabalin work okay-ish for my main symptoms, which are frustration and aggression/grouchiness, but are not ideal. According to protocol I'd be helped with an antipsychotic, have tried a few, but I don't like the buzz and they make it hard to do much meaningful work (maybe I'd learn coping with the emptiness and the sedation after taking them daily for a longer period than I have done).

 

[acieed_ed]

@lurching

just so you know im not psychotic or schitzo i got diagnosed with aspergers and adhd/ocd a few years ago. The psychiatrist was writing out a script for ritalin explaining its a stimulant my parents butted in explaining my love for xtc so he didnt give it. I found lyrica and esp xanax helpfull for my social phobia symptoms even tho were prescribed after my self harm n bad anxiety and citalopram. Its a high functioning condition and managable with my meds

 

[zzz101]

get normal weed.

movie time, mayn - 22 Jump Street

 

[lurching]

@lurching

just so you know im not psychotic or schitzo i got diagnosed with aspergers and adhd/ocd a few years ago. The psychiatrist was writing out a script for ritalin explaining its a stimulant my parents butted in explaining my love for xtc so he didnt give it. I found lyrica and esp xanax helpfull for my symptoms even tho were prescribed after my self harm n bad anxiety. Its a high functioning managable thing

At least you should have had the option of TRYING ritalin, perhaps just a small prescription to start with to see if you don't abuse it or whatever (go hard on the rit'). Pretty grim that you had to leave empty handed.
I've seen that milder or more managable autism can snowball into more trouble, with lots of self-medication and isolation. SSRIs on their own don't really cut it apparently, even if they do anything positive at all. Would like to see more options in the near future, though Lyrica is an OK start

 

[Sammy G]

It's even grimmer in the UK, lurching. A good friend of mine has AS, and his 'treatment' consisted of a couple of CBT sessions and a few months on an SNRI which did nothing but make him feel sick and unable to have a wank.

Granted, he does actually 'function' better than me in certain respects, even though I'm not autistic. Still, you'd expect a little more.

 

[acieed_ed]

Yeah it was grim lurch after my diagnosis no meds followed by years in the abyss isolated self medicating with mdma for relief frustration and low level depression not a happy time with no meds of any nature symptoms get severe and am miserable. Am ok atm due to my meds

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Regualr cardiavascular exercise is meant to be just as effective as any anti-depressant.

 

[acieed_ed]

Regualr cardiavascular exercise is meant to be just as effective as any anti-depressant.

your not wrong. I wakeup around 7.30am spent half an hour doing intensive exercise 5/6 different situps/twists no breaks, close grip wide grip and incline pressups short rest pauses and finish with squats/lunges and walk for 45 mins - 1 hour. It esp helps if i wakeup anxious or down and builds confidence.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

That's good going, i'm gonna have to make some kind of start myself, just walking more would be a good start.

 

[ColtDan]

get normal weed.

movie time, mayn - 22 Jump Street

Good film that

Regualr cardiavascular exercise is meant to be just as effective as any anti-depressant.

Really? i know its a good anti-dep but didnt realise its just as effective. Interesting stuff. I feel good after cardio, can sleep better as well, and have more energy in general

Just realised i haven't smoked for 3 weeks. Not craving at all, was craving last weekend whilst on booze and stims though, but didn't give in. Had an annoying cough last week, was like a bad smokers cough, i assume its my lungs clearing or something. seems to have gone now though. Before the 3 weeks i probably smoked 10 cigs in a month.l so i guess thats pretty much given up. Broken my e-cig vape thing, still haven't replaced it yet either

 

[Chatative]

^ I'm smoking 10-12 a day at the moment. Not having much impact on my asthma strangely enough, I think perhaps because it's largely been playing up because of seasonal allergies. Might get worse again when the cold weather comes though.

Regualr cardiavascular exercise is meant to be just as effective as any anti-depressant.

I certainly found running regularly was very good for my mood levels. I wouldn't have said I was suffering at the time though, was more to do with controlling anxiety.

movie time, mayn - 22 Jump Street

Yet to see that, maybe I should acquire a copy.

 

[lurching]

your not wrong. I wakeup around 7.30am spent half an hour doing intensive exercise 5/6 different situps/twists no breaks, close grip wide grip and incline pressups short rest pauses and finish with squats/lunges and walk for 45 mins - 1 hour. It esp helps if i wakeup anxious or down and builds confidence.

I couldn't live without it, downside is I'm now built like a viking. I scare (more) people if I don't shave

These pervasive disorder things seem so diffuse and you come to live with them for so long that they are there in every aspect of your behavior and your thinking. It's difficult to imagine a drug reversing any of that.
Most important for me is to learn to channel my strengths (cringe) without self-sabotaging. Now, trying to do that without some drugs as safety rails, would be a mess.

 

[ColtDan]

Tis good chatty, worth watching, not as good as the first but theres a few quite decent funny bits if i recall

 

[Sammy G]

Regualr cardiavascular exercise is meant to be just as effective as any anti-depressant.

That's not strictly true. Antidepressants make patients respond more quickly, which in many cases is vital. There are also some flaws in the studies which have been conducted in this area, for example:

Researchers found that six months later those patients who continued engaging in regular exercise after the study was completed were less likely to suffer from relapses of depression.

Anybody who experienced a relapse in depression would not likely be capable of, or willing to perform regular exercise, would they? Six months is a long time, and someone might well continue their exercise regime for three months before sinking back into depression.

 

[Nicklazz]

Start training FG, helps a lot on your mental health. Have with mine. I have never felt so good about myself after few months of training. Ofc livin a good place allso counts in and sum meds for me.. But the training is the biggest plus in my book. Do what the other guys say, IF U CAN, I know it is hard to flush it. Thinkin of u

 

[lurching]

Anybody who experienced a relapse in depression would not likely be capable of, or willing to performing regular exercise, would they?

I see your point. With bad depression where you're not eating and sleeping well and not used to vigorous exercise (anymore), it'd be very discouraging and off-putting if not impossible to do any substantial amount of exercise. And it's especially in these bad cases with "vital signs" that antidepressants seem at their most effective.

 

[Sammy G]

Exactly.

I'm all for the benefits of exercise (though I need to get back into the habit), but the (implicit) suggestion that people suffering from acute depression throw away their pills and head to the gym is irresponsible and frankly dangerous.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i agree that anyone suffering from acute depression or anxiety or any other mental health related symtoms would probably be less likely to have the self-motivation to even start, let alone maintain an exercise regime for long enough for it to be of any benefit. I have seen it stated time and time again though that exercise is just as effective in treating moderate depression as any anti-depressant medication would be. I dunno about bi-polar but running has really turned things around completelty for Ronnie O' Sullivan, who has suffrered from the disorder throughout his life, medication just did not help him. From what i have gathered the exercise regime is of most benefit to those with moderate symptoms compared to those with very severe / serious symptoms. Exercise can also be of benfit for anxiety related disorders.

 

[Sammy G]

I don't know about Ronnie O'Sullivan's previous medication regime, but given his well-documented excesses, I highly doubt he stuck to it, which is absolutely crucial. Especially with lithium, which can stop working entirely if as little as three doses are missed.

I've experienced benefit from exercise (prior to diagnosis), but it certainly didn't control my bipolar disorder, which continued to run rampant.

EDIT: Just found an article referring to Ronnie having been prescribed Prozac in the early 2000s. Probably the worst thing a doctor could've done to him other than saw his leg off. A disastrous bit of prescribing, that.