Gibberings CLXXVIII - Too skanky for your tastes?

[Sammy G]

After some advice here folks...

So... im desperately trying to give the smack up, ive methadone to do a short taper, not the most ideal tool but my habits not big and ive done it before.

My problem being is that i cant get anytime off work so im constantly feeling rough, i can cope with the sweats and even aches, its the lack of energy that kills me as ive a physical job. I get so far, 4 days or so and i crumble and buy some gear. Is there a mild stim that i could take to perk me up, or would that just exasperate the other symptoms like say, caffeine does?

I know dopamine-releasing stims helped me, but I didn't have any drug tests to consider.

Dunno about how this modafinil analogue (with the silly brand name) would perform drug-test-wise, but it might be one to consider. Except it's easy to trade one habit / path of self-destruction for another. Which I suspect you know by now anyhow.

Shit people ruin all the fun. Living in a place like Manc, and it being a shitter to get booze after hours is ridiculous. Nothing better than getting that bottle of spirits to round of that session is there. What do you resort to then, do you have to use those ridiculously expensive booze delivery services?

A lot of people use those delivery services, aye.

There used to be offies which would sell outside hours at a premium, but the cops killed most of that. I generally just used to send an attractive young female friend to the shop. Worked a charm.

 

[ColtDan]

Am off for another interview. Blaaah, really can't be bothered today. Have fun!

Good luck swampy

 

[Eveleivibe]

I thought booze was 24/7 now. Thr laws changed ages ago.

Evey

 

[Chatative]

After some advice here folks...

So... im desperately trying to give the smack up, ive methadone to do a short taper, not the most ideal tool but my habits not big and ive done it before.

Good luck Mist. I can't offer any advice, as you know , but I'm sure you'll find some way to cope with it.

 

[Eveleivibe]

After some advice here folks...

So... im desperately trying to give the smack up, ive methadone to do a short taper, not the most ideal tool but my habits not big and ive done it before.

My problem being is that i cant get anytime off work so im constantly feeling rough, i can cope with the sweats and even aches, its the lack of energy that kills me as ive a physical job. I get so far, 4 days or so and i crumble and buy some gear. Is there a mild stim that i could take to perk me up, or would that just exasperate the other symptoms like say, caffeine does?

It can't show up as an amphetamine on a 5 panel drug test either?

Whatcha reckon? Any hope or no hope?

Edit... 24hour booze can be had at Safeburys on the hagley road in brum, if you're desperate and fancy a drive

Thought you were on a suboxone programme?

I can't keep up on here LOL

Evey

 

[Raasyvibe]

After some advice here folks...

So... im desperately trying to give the smack up, ive methadone to do a short taper, not the most ideal tool but my habits not big and ive done it before.

My problem being is that i cant get anytime off work so im constantly feeling rough, i can cope with the sweats and even aches, its the lack of energy that kills me as ive a physical job. I get so far, 4 days or so and i crumble and buy some gear. Is there a mild stim that i could take to perk me up, or would that just exasperate the other symptoms like say, caffeine does?

It can't show up as an amphetamine on a 5 panel drug test either?

Whatcha reckon? Any hope or no hope?

Edit... 24hour booze can be had at Safeburys on the hagley road in brum, if you're desperate and fancy a drive

Combining downers and stims throughout the week at an attempt to "keep you going" is incredibly unhealthy for the body, and I would imagine catch up with you sooner or later. It's a lot on the heart, so in coming weeks you'd find upholding a physical based job very difficult.

I think you should look for healthier options, for instance, good food: fibre, low GI carbs and quality protein will give a lot of energy to sustain you. Maybe take some time off work, if possible, to get yourself together.

Failing that, if you're having difficulty stopping and find you HAVE to take some substance to relax now and then... you could always "swap" your means of intoxication, to something that doesn't drain you so much? I find, for instance, working the next day after a strong bottle of wine, very easy.

 

[Sammy G]

He hasn't really said much about combining downers and stims though, has he? He's looking for a stim which could possibly aid him in getting through withdrawal, which is different.

I concur that taking stims to go to work on a regular or even semi-regular basis is not the right route, but diet isn't going to solve all his problems. Neither is substituting opiates for alcohol, which is almost always an unmitigated disaster. Even if it's dressed up as 'a bottle of wine' rather than a few purple tins. It's certainly not going to dampen any cravings, which a stimulant (used cautiously) could possibly do.

Otherwise, yeah. Low-GI or whatever.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I think you need to get to the root of the problem. If you DON'T, the cycle will continue. How long has this been going on for now, Scotchy? I'm sorry not trying to get at you - please don't think that. But have you ever had any sort of talking therapy? If this is too much right now what about group therapy / meetings where you can sit n listen until you feel ready to give imput?!!!

I think Raasy is right. You should try taking the time off work, focus on YOU , eat a healthy diet n get in exercise - even if it's just walking around the house to start.

Energy breeds energy!

Evey

 

[Sammy G]

Getting to the roots of the problem is all well and good, but trying to earn a living whilst withdrawing from a drug is a different matter altogether.

I think ScotchMist is well aware that his problems possibly run deeper than a junk addiction, and I'm sure he'll address that when he's ready to. For the moment, however, I know how he feels. Losing his living would be far more disastrous and destabilising than the possibility of a relapse or two, don't you agree?

 

[ColtDan]

There you go again Evey, getting all defensive and taking his response the wrong way. Like you do with other people

More drama time?

edit: looks like you've deleted your comment

 

[Sammy G]

Give over, would you?

There's a difference between disagreeing and 'stamping on' somebody's opinion. I just happen to have experience of the subject matter and have my own contribution to offer, which is perhaps a little more informed than yours, but that's by the by.

It seems you continue to fail to make this distinction. It's a discussion forum, not a fucking competition.

EDIT: Ninja Dan beat me to it.

 

[lurching]

Fuck it, I remain convinced that Evie is a raas_2012 dupe account and I don't care if I'm wrong. It's much better reading this way.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Scotchy are you there ?

How you feeling now?

Lurching. Think what you like

Evey

 

[ponch]

You were offering advice about something SM didn't even ask, sammy was offering advice directly related to his question. Belt up

 

[BigG]

I know how frustrating it can be when in withdrawals and feel like shite and people suggest diet and exercise and the like. I mean don't get me wrong they are right in the sense that those things are definitely part of the long term solution to a healthy life but what scotchy needs is a short term suction to get him through the next week or so in order than he doesn't lose his job........and when your balls deep in withdrawals all the clean diet, exercise and positive thought in the world isn't going to help... as in right now, today.....

 

[Chatative]

edit: looks like you've deleted your comment

Give over, would you?

There's a difference between disagreeing and 'stamping on' somebody's opinion. I just happen to have experience of the subject matter and have my own contribution to offer, which is perhaps a little more informed than yours, but that's by the by.

It seems you continue to fail to make this distinction. It's a discussion forum, not a fucking competition.
EDIT: Ninja Dan beat me to it.

Wise words Sammy.

Be aware, Evey, that we can read deleted comments & that deleting them in itself does not absolve you of any possible breaches of the rules. It may be taken into account but you really need to take a step back & think before posting. Did I not just give you this advice?

Try not to take things so personally, otherwise without doubt you will have another outburst & end up suffering the consequences.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I'm aware of that. I've been through withdrawals myself. But I'm trying to be realist with Scotchy here as this is a harm reduction forum. He's been through this many times n I'm trying to say that if he does not get to the root of the problem then these "withdrawals" n dodging losing his job will continue on n on.

I'm not judging him or trying to disregard his short term issue but it keeps happening to him n because I care I'm trying to be honest n a bit blunt.

I had a lot of blunt talk when i tried overcoming my addictions, and although i resented it at the time, it was the blunt talk that got me through my addictions. I'm not meaning blunt as in nasty - I mean straight talking. And how useful is him getting something to lesson withdrawal n save his job this time if in a few months the ssme thing will happen????

I've shared a few PMs with Scotchy trying to be empathic n understanding but there comes a time when straight talking is the best thing for someone. Because i want to see him get better n live a happier life free of addiction.

Sammy G of course it's not a competition that would be silly. The more people who help n and advice Scotchy the better.

@chatative I haven't broken any rules. I simply asked Sammy G not to put me down n have deleted post now as no need for it to be there for others to read it. I feel i have to walk on eggshells lately on here.

Evey

 

[Sammy G]

Right. So the more people who advise him the better, but if their advice disagrees with yours then they're stamping on your opinion?

I don't get it. Enlighten me. Please.

And as I've already stated, getting to the root of the problem is essential. But you don't want to add fucking unemployment to your list of problems, do you?

If you can't take my point on board for whatever reason, maybe read this post:

I know how frustrating it can be when in withdrawals and feel like shite and people suggest diet and exercise and the like. I mean don't get me wrong they are right in the sense that those things are definitely part of the long term solution to a healthy life but what scotchy needs is a short term suction to get him through the next week or so in order than he doesn't lose his job........and when your balls deep in withdrawals all the clean diet, exercise and positive thought in the world isn't going to help... as in right now, today.....

 

[Chatative]

@chatative I haven't broken any rules. I simply asked Sammy G not to put me down n have deleted post now as no need for it to be there for others to read it. I feel i have to walk on eggshells lately on here.

I know you haven't but I just thought I'd take the opportunity to make that observation.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Sorry chatty. I know i get defensive at times n need to work on it. I was genuinely just offering advice for Scotchy which I felt was needed.

Calm down people. Chattys told me off. Moving on eh

Evey