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Gibberings CLXXII - I Have Zero Imagination

Shambles said:
Your point about not being able to put off comedowns by taking more drugs but being able to put off hangovers by drinking more booze perhaps needs a bit more work too due to being somewhat contradictory
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Horses for courses. I find a sensible drink or two on a Monday(no more than a bottle of wine or so), following an obscene weekend session , militates against the sense of dread one's feeling no end. IME it leaves one feeling fresh as a daisy on the Tuesday, having had what could otherwise been a fitful and sweaty night's sleep. And you've no need to drink on the tuesday unless you want to.

Of course this regime might lead to a sticky end in the wrong hands.

It's never been my experience that a little bit of any other drug can help you in the long run used in this way, except opiates, which are a different kettle of fish in the way they're used
 
Shambles said:
They used to. Anybody else remember that milkshake-based alcopop? :D
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Ooh, that rings a bell actually.. I probably drank enough of it to erase most memories of it, I think.

And yeah, rehydration powders are good, though I tend to opt for just a sugar/salt rehydration mixture. (8 level teaspoons sugar, 1 teaspoon salt, 1 litre water, mix.)
 
Shambles said:
Evenin', all. Did I ever mention how much I dislike hangovers? Comedowns can be converted to afterglows - or at the very least just considered part of the ride - but booze comedowns are utterly without positives of any kind :|
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Er,...

I think with all substances, if your dosages get particularly high the following days will be nasty. Sensible amounts of booze gives negligible hangovers.

If your drinking just to get as fucked as possible, then yes it won't be so nice the following day, as it wouldn't for any other substance.
 
That was actually (and I presumed fairly obviously given my widely-known predilictions) what I was meaning. Massive quantities of drugs produce far less unpleasant after-effects than comparative levels of boozing - as evidenced by the fact I can almost never stand to drink two days running cos I feel like utter death. Not saying I never get anywhere close to that with other substances (although it really is comparatively rare) but I really do have to go for it to ridiculous levels. The equivalent is not true cos booze has such a steep tolerance curve. To feel a bit tipsy I know I'll feel like death for a good day or so cos to feel a bit tipsy involves a shitload of alcohol. There are plenty other drugs I also need a shitload of to get any significant effects - none of those have the same issues. The only that do are serotonergics which don't have anything like the tolerance issues (for me anyway) cos they're not practical to take very frequently at high dose cos they simply don't work if you try that.
 
Shambles said:
That was actually (and I presumed fairly obviously given my widely-known predilictions) what I was meaning. Massive quantities of drugs produce far less unpleasant after-effects than comparative levels of boozing - as evidenced by the fact I can almost never stand to drink two days running cos I feel like utter death. Not saying I never get anywhere close to that with other substances (although it really is comparatively rare) but I really do have to go for it to ridiculous levels. The equivalent is not true cos booze has such a steep tolerance curve. To feel a bit tipsy I know I'll feel like death for a good day or so cos to feel a bit tipsy involves a shitload of alcohol. There are plenty other drugs I also need a shitload of to get any significant effects - none of those have the same issues. The only that do are serotonergics which don't have anything like the tolerance issues (for me anyway) cos they're not practical to take very frequently at high dose cos they simply don't work if you try that.
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That's odd. I can drink a bottle of wine every night and enjoy it each time. Or have a crazy night out, yet appreciate a few glasses the next day.

I'd rather have a bad hangover, than a bad serotonergic come-down or speed come-down any day of the week...


*Shrugs* we're all different, I guess. Each to their own...


















Horses for courses....
 
My worst comedowns have been worse than my worst hangovers but there's only been a few horrific comedowns compared to ton of horrific hangovers.

I don't think I'd ever let myself get in the state of those comedowns again and alcohol contributed to them. I find it easier to pace myself with drugs than alcohol,I expect to experience more stinking hangovers. I think kindling http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindling_(sedative-hypnotic_withdrawal) has effect and also the less tolerance to have the worse the hangover.
 
All good here thanks man. Beautiful day in the burgh - just a shame I'm at work..
 
i have found that kratom can completely over ride any stim come downs on the immediate day after. If i catch an hour or 2s sleep and then load up with kratom everything is hunky dory. The toll has to be paid eventually though, but isnt anywhere near as severe on day 2 once you start catching up with sleep and water and food and stuff.
 
Shambles said:
They used to. Anybody else remember that milkshake-based alcopop? :D

(probably lost it's rehydration properties somewhat during the process of being turned boozy, mind)
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Cock sucking cowboys are sort of like milk shakes.

The ones in shot glaseses, not arseless chaps
 
Happy Tuesday EADD! I've missed you people heaps - I hope you're all doing ace n stuff!

Thanks MDB, raasy, snolly, chatative, foolgold n maxalfie for keeping in touch with me - means a lot n I love you guys.

Sammy G, PTCH, summer, Marmalade, Beatlove, Shambles, Coltdan n whoever else I've missed. I hope you're all doing well.

Nicklazz - good luck with the detox, you can do this man, n we're all right behind you.

<3 Bluelight n it sure is ace to be back.
Right off to bump up some of my old threads. Peace!

Evey
 
Still around Kenny?

You might know if its worth bothering to make an extraction out of wild poppy stems, (apparently they do contain some of the 'good alkaloids' but are not as concentrated as the heads.) I've got through all the heads allready that were growing wild, got quite a few this year, enough for several brews, (but not enough to get re-addicted which was the whole idea all along) but discovered that i would need a patch of land the size of an acre to yield 1 gram of O ooze through slitting them, the whole crop yielded just a tiny blob thats only use was to provide a sample of what pure O looks and tastes like. Even with the weather conditions being absolutely perfect throughgout most of the growing season this year. Also discovered too late that its possible to dry and smoke the leaves, i could have been collecting them along the way otherwise.

I've come to the conclsion that it's really not worth the bother, other than as a bit of a hobby, experiment, matter of interest type thing. Unfortunately i dont happen to own vast acres of private land far away from prying eyes, that could be planted with somniferums, the authorities might take an interest in a sizeable growth anyway, and it would be so labour intensive probably taking many many hours to gather a wothwhile amount of O. All in all not worth the bother sepecially since the stuff can be obtained with hard cash, though it is quite rare and very fucking expensive. 8( Neverthelses I've decided not to go back to buying dried pods, ive already been down that road, and know where it leads.
 
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does anyone get less of a hangover when they combine booze with benzos? I can drink a shitton on etiz and wake up feeling fairly alright. In fact I feel more grogginess from the benzo than the alcohol.
 
I don't think it would be worth bothering with the stems unless you were really desperate, MDB. Probably best to leave them alone anyway.
 
hexagram said:
does anyone get less of a hangover when they combine booze with benzos? I can drink a shitton on etiz and wake up feeling fairly alright. In fact I feel more grogginess from the benzo than the alcohol.
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Yeah, that's what I used to do, although more so with valium.

It's the perfect hangover cure / prophylactic. Unfortunately, it often means that instead of a hangover, you wake up with a trashed house, an angry girlfriend and a thousand vindictive text messages you don't recall sending.

Bad idea.

MDB - If I were you, I'd have bypassed the poppy-scoring route and used the modern extraction methods from poppy straw. You get a whole lot more alkaloids that way. Very few countries still bother with the scoring / sap collecting business.

Was it you who nabbed all the wild poppies from round my way? :D
 
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