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Gibberings CLXXI: No Twattery Allowed - Waiting on Raas's Call

This bit (quote from another source, incidentally) made my jaw drop a bit:

Adam Morris said:
I used to sit in on sessions at The Coach House, which was basically Youth’s writing studio. Alex used to skin up, so he played spliffs and I made tea. I was there when they wrote Little Fluffy Clouds. That was basically Youth putting samples together. It was credited as written by Youth/Alex, but I was there too, I always thought if Pattterson got a writing credit for what he did, why didn’t I get a writing credit for what I did? Tea is just as important to the creative process as spliff, isn’t it?
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Ouch.
 
Man, the only thing I can compare my own experiences of bad band politics to - in terms of ugly fall-out - is a romantic relationship gone to shit.
A particularly intense romantic relationship breakdown.

So much bitterness can result from working on a "labour of love" with other people - especially when egos are involved, or flakiness - or as is alleged in this case; one member being total 'dead wood' but taking the lion's share of the credit.
I can only imagine how much this is amplified when there are complicating factors such as recording contracts, big money involved in performance fees, royalties, writing/performance credits - that kind of thing.
Being self-funded, self-managed and working with record labels only after we have completed the recording/mixing/mastering - doing all our own artwork and choosing directors to work with in collaboratively making videos (etc etc etc) means that nothing like this could ever go on for so long in any project I've ever been involved with...but still, the raw emotion being vented is something I've seen so many times.

As much as I can understand people being pissed off in this situation, I also can't help but think (to some extent) "if it was so bad, why didnt the other people involved take their talents elsewhere".
This is where it gets tricky, especially nowadays; getting a 'break' and making a name for yourself can be so hit and miss, that no matter how talented an artist/performer is, there is nothing to say that chance will come around again. I mean, I know some (arguably) mediocre musicians/bands that are world famous - and plenty more amazing, inspiring artists that are unknown/unappreciated in their own home town.

Music is a funny old game....but it's always a bit sad and undignified when this shit explodes into the public domain!
Increasingly hard for it not to in the Internet age - but still, the beauty of mystique is thoroughly underrated I reckon. Having said that, this is nothing new to the digital age (as the infamous/hilarious "troggs studio tapes" attest to)

But it is worth adding, that being a musician - and knowing thousands of others - the vast majority of us are arseholes, to be fair. Not necessarily malicious arseholes; but arseholes nonetheless.
Seems relevant here. ;)
 
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spacejunk said:
Man, the only thing I can compare my own experiences of bad band politics to - in terms of ugly fall-out - is a romantic relationship gone to shit.
A particularly intense romantic relationship breakdown.
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Sounds like this was exactly the case between Alex, Thrash and Youth (and Jimmy, and everybody else). :D

When you decide to work with two members of the Killing Joke tribe, things are never going to end up going according to plan, are they? Especially Youth, who's known to be the world's biggest bullshitter (save for Alex Paterson, if these allegations are true).

Ah well, it's made me want to dig out Adventures... again, which I haven't done since my psychedelic days.
 
Guilty of every single charge against him.

Wow. Until now it's only really been the people we suspected of being a little bit seedy already. But Rolf? I honestly thought (hoped) it wasn't true.
 
I can't think of many entertainers - especially from the 60s and 70s - that aren't "a bit seedy".
Seems the fucking blatant ones either got away with it (Bill Wyman) or died before it ever went public, leading to this media/police witch-hunt.
Not that I'm excusing anything Rolf allegedly did - but waiting til the man is in his twilight years before making a complaint is just sad.
I fully understand how damaging sexual assault is, but how male many entertainers of that time were not fooling around with underage girls?
Tell me Led fucking Zeppelin never fucked an underage groupie.
 
Most those famous those people on the tv or those with loads of money are satanic worshippers and being a peado is part of the religion. Sell your soul to the devil and you will end up loaded. I cant say on here but the girlfriend of a very big rock star explained what those people are into and lets just says its pure evil but pays well.
 
Evening Bear :)

Cant believe Rolf... you really didnt expect him to be involved in this kind of horrible business, goes to show you really can never tell..! 84 years old man, what a way to go after a privileged life like his.
 
The thing is I bet he genuinely believed there was some degree of consent, as fucked up as it sounds. Celebrity fucks with people's heads. "Who wouldn't want to be molested by me"
 
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