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mydrugbuddy+unclebob said:
If you get a good degree from a top good uni that is worth something. If you get a vocational degree from any uni that is directly relevant to a job or career then that is also worth something.

All other types of degree arent worth much if anything atall, ive known so many people, myslef included (believe it or not) for whome having a degree has made fuck all difference in their careers and lives; it has been useless, in fact at times i think i might be better of without it as ive been "overqualified" for so many jobs ive applied for.
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This I completely agree with as it's not the wild generalisation in the thing I quoted at the top of the page.

Employment rates for students 6 months out of decent universities with decent degrees are big, consistently 80%+
 
True but a lot of people don't do a degree with the aim of going into a job related to it, some do a degree to increase their employability. When my mate got an interview at Morgan Stanley he said around 6 of 20 other students there had a physics degree, which has nowt to do with finance.
 
Uncle Robert said:
True but a lot of people don't do a degree with the aim of going into a job related to it, some do a degree to increase their employability. When my mate got an interview at Morgan Stanley he said around 6 of 20 other students there had a physics degree, which has nowt to do with finance.
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That's not quite true, a physics degree requires mathematical competence to a high level (I know because I failed first year engineering maths) and makes them suitable for analysing large datasets (or more likely getting computers to do the analysis). Shame really because I reckon there are actual useful things physicists could be doing :) I could probably have done something useful with my computer skills too, actually I did for a year but funding in useful stuff is the first thing to be cut.
 
knock said:
That's not quite true, a physics degree requires mathematical competence to a high level (I know because I failed first year engineering maths) and makes them suitable for analysing large datasets (or more likely getting computers to do the analysis).
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But that's what I'm getting at. Those physicists didn't go into a physics-related job, but because they have done a good degree they have a solid base to work with when looking for work.
 
Uncle Robert said:
But that's what I'm getting at. Those physicists didn't go into a physics-related job, but because they have done a good degree they have a solid base to work with when looking for work.
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Yes but what I'm getting at is that physics is maths and finance is maths too, so it doesn't strike me as a surprising fact. They are related, by maths. You will see far fewer archaeology graduates getting snapped up by investment banks. On the other hand, in less mathematically demanding jobs, like IT, there certainly used to be a willingness on the part of employers to take graduates of all flavours on, partly because computing degrees were not all that popular. I got "good" work in IT with no degree at all. This was before the dot com bubble though, I expect computing/IT degree courses are more popular these days, although probably only just.
 
I did one year of a computing degree, the drop out rate at the end of year one was phenonominal. The main problems were the mathematical component of the course which nrealy every student (except the Chinese swats) hated and struggled with, and the tutor couldnt control the class rebellion. I stopped attending that component of the course and inevitably failed it.

Also we spent a whole year studying and struggling to start to come to terms with COBOL only for them to say at the end of teh year, COBOL is now out of date so all that learning was useless you are now going ot be taught C. I was fucking disguested and told them i was quitting the course immediately after that announcement. It was probably a rash decision, i may have had a more successfull career had i stuck with that course, as i really understood systems analysis when no one else in the class seemed to have a fuckin clue what it was even about.
 
knock said:
Yes but what I'm getting at is that physics is maths and finance is maths too, so it doesn't strike me as a surprising fact. They are related, by maths. You will see far fewer archaeology graduates getting snapped up by investment banks.
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I'm not sure I'd consider archaeology a good degree...

And again I agree with what you said, but going back to what I said finance isn't a physics related job (things like working at CERN, material structure etc is physics related). The fact that there is a lot of maths in physics opens that student up to a hell of a lot of jobs for that aspect alone, there are other aspects of it that employers seek such as problem solving (also a heavy part of physics, engineering etc).
 
I also think it's a bit presumptuous to say it's not a "good degree" and I can't imagine there are many good archaeologists who are unable to solve problems :)
 
Plenty of folk on the Work Programme etc are actually told not to include their degrees on their CVs when going for average type of job as employers will think they will only use the job as a stop gap until something better comes along.
What's the point of a degree if you can only get work in a factory or supermarket for etc?
 
@Knock did you apply for JSA in the end, if so did you manage to get it paid to you? All helps with your National Insurance payments etc for pensions etc.
 
No but the end hasn't arrived quite yet ;) I'm in court tomorrow to get banned from driving and that's been more on my mind. To be quite honest I've been engaging in "avoidance", but it's not a simple matter of sitting down and filling in the application, my documentary evidence of things like my mortgage and other stuff needed to fill in the form is distributed through three unordered crates of random paperwork and several even less organised piles.
 
Ok fair enough I shouldn't have said Archaeology isn't a good degree, but it is limiting. Doing geo-physics would give you a much broader range of job possibilities to go into.
 
"Plenty of folk on the Work Programme etc are actually told not to include their degrees on their CVs when going for average type of job as employers will think they will only use the job as a stop gap until something better comes along.
What's the point of a degree if you can only get work in a factory or supermarket for etc? "

Really ? I went on one of those courses and they told me to include it even when applying for those types of jobs. I agree that i have probably never got anywhere with these applications as they probably thught "stopgap". I think from now on I'll make up a shop or factory that i worked in from 1990 - 1994, but is now since long out of business, and ive lost contact with the employers. Fuck it, im gonna try that and see what happens. Things cant get any worse, apparently everyone lies on their CV, am i the only fool that hasnt been lying on their CV ?
 
CV creativity is what's needed depending on the job job are applying for, no need to lie but you can choose what to include or leave out.
 
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