Gibberings CIX: Faulty 'y' key? Or just high?

[TheSpade]

I think some of you are making the job centre to be out much worse than it is. I've signed on a few times over the years and despite them being generally useless at helping you get a job (well you get no help at all but I don't want any anyway so it suits me fine) they aren't really that bad IME. I've never been forced to do anything, had sanctions, money stopped or anything worse than a grumpy adviser tell me I need to widen my job search or be a bit rude to me. Unless maybe you're an absolute chancer or benefit fraudster or something I reckon you don't get much grief if you turn up when you're supposed to, have your signing on book with you and have actually filled it out and make it look like you're doing something even if you're not. It's not hard to fake it, they don't check up on anything so just write some jobs you applied for in your book. Takes all of 2 minutes to go on their website and see what jobs are available and I've never had them either here or in Edinburgh check anything. They just look at it, nod and say "sign here".

Obviously if you're telling them you've been looking for jobs for a month then they ask if you've got an up to date CV you have to say 'yes'.

 

[pinkpapaver]

well, i got sanctioned without being told .. whne i found out what it was for it was for "not actively seeking work" due to only looking for work in 2 out of 3 of my chosen search fields. on appeal i had them on the "permitted period" which hadn't been discussed with me, just like the sanction. it was horrible. relying on that money while you have to live. they can be horrible..see spade, if you got sanctionned your rent, food and leccy are al l paid. if you don't live with parents, you have to do all this yourself...and look for work while you have no money, but you can't get anywhere, can't ring any where or go online to look..you get the picture?

 

[Myshkin]

sam, ive always found the bible quite boring. how did you get into reading it. i do know the bits i did at school well enough tho. have you read the qran? is that boring?

Boring? Well, you may have a point there. Especially the Old Testament sections that just list lineages. A lot of it's fascinating though, especially considering it's shaped the society we live in. Though maybe I'm just a boring bloke.

I come from a (mostly) religious family background, but I got 'into it' through taking too many drugs and looking for 'answers'. Got pretty heavily into it, as it happens. It's also beautifully written (The King James Version in particular) and there are some resonant bits of wisdom in there, albeit nothing that most other faiths don't also touch upon. Over time I realised I wasn't finding 'answers', but was on the road to delusion. Still kept a copy round me for the poetry of it all, however.

I later looked more into the history of Christianity when I developed an interest in Gnosticism (and mysticism in general), and I was pretty shocked at the extent to which early Christianity differed from the Pauline orthodoxy that was established in the ensuing centuries. I then began to read the so-called Apocrypha, and found out about the true extent to which the Canon had been established to serve the ends of those in power. A lot of what were branded 'heresies' by the Church were in fact common beliefs and practices among early Christians.

The Qu'ran is pretty much as 'boring', albeit with some beautiful passages and ideas within. It's been less adapted / edited to suit the tastes of the modern (western) psyche, so selective reading of certain passages can make it seem a lot more belligerent than it actually is. A lot of it is open to interpretation, and these can differ wildly. Hence your Islamophobes, who'll happily quote the bloodier parts of the Qu'ran willy-nilly but insist that the Bible must be read 'in context'. Funny, eh?

Armchair theology's not for everybody, obviously.

I just like to keep my mind busy and the study of different religions not only does that, but gives me inspiration in my own 'spiritual' (I hate that word) quest.

Now that was boring, wasn't it?

 

[maxalfie]

There's information online published by citizens advice. www.adviceguide.org.uk

And of course you can visit them and get free advice about specific problems.

Yes the C.A.B have given me great advice in the past for a variety of reasons.
Unfortunately out local branch has recently closed due to lack of funds.
Such a shame as they really do provide an excellent service.

 

[maxalfie]

^^ this. It's changed so much over the last few years, and keeps changing as new schemes get adopted.

The best place to look is on forums maxalfie ... I'm told the Urban75 Forums are decent for this ... they often discuss the little details that can catch you out with sanctions and whatever, and also inform about the little tricks like the CV photocopying I mentioned earlier as well as what you are entitled to refuse to do and what they can force you into.

this is their sub-forum for benefits and housing ← [edit]lots of Job Centre rants and info about appeals processes n stuff there atm.

The main forum is alright actually too, some pretty cool peeps on there

Also Blogspots are another great source of info, lots of people update those regularly, especially regarding new policies (and the problems and pitfalls of what comes with them) n whatnot

Thanks for the advice Marmz. I have just had a quick look at that Urban75 forum and it does look really good and seems to have plenty of advice regarding yr rights with the Jobcentre etc.
Thanks for the heads up.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Yes, but who were the 'Israelites'? They were the people who followed the cult of Yahweh - i.e. the entity you call 'God'. They were the forebears of both Jews and Samaritans, from whom another cult (Christianity) eventually emerged.

Molech was a rival deity worshipped by the Canaanites, and the Israelites simply wanted to invade Canaanite land. So Molech was demonised accordingly, just like Mohammed was during the Crusades centuries later.

Sorry, but I have read the Bible - I've read more of the Bible than most Christians. And that's the same excuse I've heard several times from those who want to sweep the more embarrassing parts of the Bible under the carpet.

Nowhere in the New Testament are those laws revoked. So essentially The Bible is homophobic. To quote the NT itself:



And with that, can we agree to differ?

I do disagree Sam but I’m not going to leave it there. You’ve said the bible is homophobic which by implication suggests my beliefs are too. I understand you’ve read the bible but you clearly haven’t digested it. I think if you go back and look at Leviticus, read the site I posted or any other site that Gay Christians have set up, it might help to dissolve some of that hatred and bitterness you are carrying. You’ll feel a lot lighter.

Its not the bible that is homophobic it’s the bigots, both Christian and Secular, who insist on disseminating lies that cause no end of fear, shame and suffering.

The Molech you referred to is the same Molech that demanded burnt offering of children. Eg Worship of him involved child sacrifice. I think its safe to conclude He was demonic.

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Matthew 5.17

Jesus, again here is talking to the Jews who were waiting for the promised Messiah. They are still waiting and still under law.

Through Christ righteousness and salvation are through faith not legalistic adherence to laws. Sincerely, this concept is the whole point of the NT and the atonement itself. Look for example at Romans 1-7 ' The Roman Road'.


Ok? :D


Edit:

This made me laugh:

It's also beautifully written (The King James Version in particular) and there are some resonant bits of wisdom in there

Well thats a step up from ' the bible is full of shit' that we got the other day.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Oh it is a war Fixing. Its against lies and delusion though and always has been.

I'd better leave it there for now. They dont like theology in gibberings.

 

[Myshkin]

IThe Molech you referred to is the same Molech that demanded burnt offering of children. Eg Worship of him involved child sacrifice. I think its safe to conclude He was demonic.

And Yahweh was a nice guy, wasn't he? Demanding the rape of virgins and all that.

You don't seem to understand that the same charges were levelled against the worshippers of Yahweh by the worshippers of Molech. It was merely tribal squabbling and cult rivalry, as was all the rage in the Levant back in the day.

Jesus, again here is talking to the Jews who were waiting for the promised Messiah. They are still waiting and still under law.

Erm... ignoring the fact that at the time there was no such religion as Christianity, and therefore Jesus and co. were Jews, why does he make the promise to "fulfill the law" if:

Through Christ righteousness and salvation are through faith not legalistic adherence to laws.

Doesn't compute, does it?

Look for example at Romans 1-7 ' The Roman Road'.

I fail to see how this addresses any of the points I made. But like I said - let's agree to disagree. Please.

 

[pinkpapaver]

the thought of the bible is very interesting. i know the new testament fairly well, bu don't really know the old testament too well. it is what this society is built on you're right there.

i have the modern antiquarian , and tho i haven't read it properly at all I find the early chapters interesting as they are female god based , and the renaming of godesses to have a nice christian name and christian story that was long ago enough for no one to remember exactly or be able to prove they existed at all..not really monotheism, but polytheism.....which leads to polygamy, and there's more to mormons than polygamy

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

And Yahweh was a nice guy, wasn't he? Demanding the rape of virgins and all that.

You don't seem to understand that the same charges were levelled against the worshippers of Yahweh by the worshippers of Molech. It was cult rivalry.



Erm... ignoring the fact that at the time there was no such religion as Christianity, and therefore Jesus and co. were Jews, why does he make the promise to "fulfill the law" if:

Originally Posted by YellowPolkaDotHalo
Through Christ righteousness and salvation are through faith not legalistic adherence to laws.


Doesn't compute, does it?

Sam He was the promised 'suffering servant' of Isaiah.. the final sacrifice. Through the atonement a way was made back to God and Life. The atonement means we are reconciled.

Of course it computes salvation through faith is the whole point of the NT.. Big debate there Sam.. huge! But i've got to get ready for my filosofee class so I can't give your question the attention it deserves. Sorry.

 

[tambourine-man]

I think some of you are making the job centre to be out much worse than it is. I've signed on a few times over the years and despite them being generally useless at helping you get a job (well you get no help at all but I don't want any anyway so it suits me fine) they aren't really that bad IME. I've never been forced to do anything, had sanctions, money stopped or anything worse than a grumpy adviser tell me I need to widen my job search or be a bit rude to me. Unless maybe you're an absolute chancer or benefit fraudster or something I reckon you don't get much grief if you turn up when you're supposed to, have your signing on book with you and have actually filled it out and make it look like you're doing something even if you're not. It's not hard to fake it, they don't check up on anything so just write some jobs you applied for in your book. Takes all of 2 minutes to go on their website and see what jobs are available and I've never had them either here or in Edinburgh check anything. They just look at it, nod and say "sign here".

It's been about 10 years since I had to sign on, but your experience was exactly my own.

If you assume that 80% of the people going there are either in complete disarray, dress like a ned, talk like they don't care or basically loathe the person sat opposite them... then the 20% of people who bother to fill in the stupid cards and tell them what they want to hear will pretty much look like model claimants. Thus, you get a far easier ride.

I kept a list of all the jobs I'd applied for and where I was with other stuff and just printed it out every time I went in. The advisor was, in most cases, overjoyed that someone was actually making the effort. I guess everybody needs validation in the job they do, so why not provide some? They'll actually thank you for not hating them.

Admittedly, things may have changed somewhat since welfare services were hit.

 

[SpecialK_]

So much shitty speed paste about here, but it's so cheap that when it's dried out I can't help sniffing this stuff everyday!

 

[brimz]

what g'wan ?

can someone please put the last 4/5 pages in2 a paragraph for me ?

Cheers

 

[pinkpapaver]

here's a bit of what i can remember: the jobcentre is not a nice place, but they don't hassle everyone. and theres some stuff about the bible as well...

 

[breakcorefiend]

proper suffering with wd :/

not fun at all

 

[brimz]

here's a bit of what i can remember: the jobcentre is not a nice place, but they don't hassle everyone. and theres some stuff about the bible as well...

cheers pinky

 

[Mailmonkey]

Team researching Scottish redheads not expected to survive

RESEARCHERS studying the habits of ginger-haired Scots have accepted their work is a suicide mission.

Don’t make eye contact and avoid sudden movements

An Institute for Studies team is collecting data on the mating, drinking and fighting routines of the famously volatile species.

Institute for Studies’ director Professor Henry Brubaker said: “It’s one of those jobs like entering a malfunctioning reactor at Fukushima.

“You’re doing it for the shared benefit of humanity, but you know it’s a one-way ticket.

“Even if their flailing fists don’t get you, there’s the inevitable liver damage from the drinking sessions.”

Team member Emma Bradford said: “Literally nothing is known about Scottish redheads, it’s always been impossible to get close to them. We think they live on stout and toffee.

“Survival would be a bonus, but whatever happens it’ll be worth it to meet the cool girl from Doctor Who.”

In 2008 a team of scientists in kevlar body armour entered a flat-roofed Glasgow pub known for its high concentration of flame-hairs.

Armed police later recovered a helmet covered in bite marks, no other remains were found.

 

[brimz]

proper suffering with wd :/

not fun at all

Don't expect sympathy mate .
Empathy yeah .

 

[farmaz]

They really do make life very hard when you have to sign on don't they?
Unless you specifically ask them something you won't be told about it. There's nothing to let you know what they can and can't get away with doing to you. Obviously if you are unaware of all the rules and they turn around & say if you don't do this then your money will be stopped,then you are obviously gonna go along with what they tell you to do.
I wish there was some independant group that would publish a booklet for sale informing everyone of their rights and what the jobcentre and benefits agency can and cannot get away with.
I'd certainly buy it as you could get years worth of knowledge in the book that would take you a long time to learn yourself and save you from potential hardships.

+ 1

 

[ColtDan]

Just randomly checked my bp from this machine we've just got

117
77

i assume thats not bad, thought it was gonna be higher for some reason