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Gabapentinoids GHB/GBL Megathread

Personally, I've never bothered with conversion, but I do have very pure gbl. If you decide to do it, it's important to measure everything accurately. You need to add the correct quantities and check the pH at the end. If you add too much base or if there's unreacted GBL, you may need to add an acid to balance the pH. However, this step will produce additional salts, which will increase the mass of the final product (assuming you're planning to evaporate the water).
 
axe battler said:
Yeah but is ghb better, really? I've had both and never really noticed a
Much of a diff except time to kick
In. Should I bother. All I do is mix with the correct ratios of NaOH right?
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IMO gbl is better than ghb, it's stronger/hits faster and doesn't give you any extra sodium. All you got to do is dilute in a big glass of water.
To convert it you have to carry out a hydrolysis reaction in basic conditions, so with aqueous NaOH (a solution with the right amounts of base). Even if it was a exothermic reaction you might still need to heat it.
If you're not going to evaporate the water to get powdered ghb I personally don't see the point, just dilute your gbl.
 
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I changed the title. Cheers. I've heard potassium hydroxide can be used for less sodium intake and a different flavor.
 
axe battler said:
Oh and I read something about toxicity of GBL. Also since it's an acid a straw might be a good idea for me teeth
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Sorry I was half asleep and my last post wasn't worded right (the reaction is technically the hydrolysis of an ester, with a hydroxy group produced by NaOH or KOH in water). GBL is a cyclic ester (lactone), not an acid so there's no concern there, and even if it was, eating a salad with an acidic vinaigrette would probably be worse for your teeth.
GBL has pretty much the exact same toxicity as GHB, it gets converted almost instantly once it gets into the bloodstream. Just make sure to dilute it well as I previously said.

But don't just put a random amount in a pint of water and drink it throughout the day/night. Measure the doses precisely!
 
4meSM said:
don't just put a random amount in a pint of water and drink it throughout the day/night
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Yeah, just going to reiterate this. You may also forget about the drink, leave it lying around, and someone else might drink it (...this happened to a past dealer of mine who left some in OJ lying around his druggy sh1thole which a customer drank, everything went pear-shaped, the customer died, he got arrested etc etc).
 
axe battler said:
Hi me hinnies. So I have 5oml of good gbl. Would it it worth getting some sodium hydroxide and converting it to GHB myself?
What's the pros/cons?
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Either way, DON'T DRINK IT UNDILUTED. First time I got GBL I just took a mini-shot (like 4ml or something) and ended up with chemical burns on my lips, tongue and one cheek. You're probably not as dumb as me, but yeah, be careful lol.
 
Have been using GHB with meth pretty consistently and constantly for 6 days now and not taking the GHB for a couple of hours leads to awful withdrawal symptoms.. my head hurts, my arms hurt, my entire body is vibrating, getting occasional involuntary muscle spasms, eyes feel dazed, ears are ringing and when I close my eyes I don't just see plain, solid black but movement of light (almost like those old film projectors stuffing and getting black and white lines instead of a picture). Tried valium and that did nothing and only way to get rid of these effects is to take more GHB but then I'm off my face on G. Been taking roughly 10-30ml every 24 hours at 1.5-2ml at a time. I have heard Gabapentin helps for the tremors and currently my cat is on Gabapentin for anxiety.. would there be any dangers with taking animal medication? Otherwise, how do I get through this? Do these symptoms actually pass quite quickly and I'll just have one or two rough days or should I be going into hospital? I've done GHB in the past and been able to sleep through these symptoms and wake up all good but the symptoms are waking me up and then no hope I'm going back to sleep. GHB used to make me sleep like a baby but now lucky to get more than 3 hours. Any help would be appreciated.
 
You need a baclofen. You might be able to explain the situation to a doctor and prescription. It is not tightly controlled like Valium or other benzos so it shouldn't be too difficult.

Share this with your doctor:

journals.lww.com

Successful Management of Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB)... : Journal of Addiction Medicine

ions like benzodiazepines (BZD). However, BZD doses needed to control GHB withdrawal symptoms are typically much higher than those required for alcohol, posing significant safety risks. Novel approaches include the use of baclofen as an adjunct to BZD, allowing reductions in BZD requirements...
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Whoops, I didn't read your post carefully, I thought you had been on GHB for 6 months but what actually wrote.

Have been using GHB with meth pretty consistently and constantly for 6 days now
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In this case, a baclofen taper wouldn't be necessary. You won't be in any real medical danger, just discomfort. Though it acts differently, gabapentin definitely could help ease your discomfort for the 3-4 days after stopping the GHB.

How much of the GHB are you taking and at what intervals? Note, much of what is being sold in Australia isn't GHB but rather GBL or 1,4-butanediol, which turn into GHB in the body (not that it makes too big of a difference). From what I understand they are also sold somewhat diluted.
 
Yes it's safe to use veterinary gabapentin (it comes from the same place ultimately). Problem is, the doses used for cats (unless you have a very fat cat) are quite low. So you'd need quite abit (a few hundred milligrams).

And of course don't deprive your cat of meds if they are currently using it.
 
Anyone ever had a proper medical detox using Xyrem/ GHB? Inpatient offcourse this would be done but I never heard of it.

Dr'r seem oblivious to the fact it actually is a med they have ( narcolepsy ). Clean and with an set dose.
 
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