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GHB/GBL alternatives?

mydrugbuddy said:
gbl seems to have some weird blocking actions of its' own. It completely blocks the hypnotic effects of benzos long after the last dose, a good 12 hours or something. At least it does that for me, anyone else find the same thing?
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Actually, I've found the opposite. Strong benzos, like alprazolam, block the effects of G, in my case. I recall a time, years ago, where I took 1mg of alprazolam and was repeatedly dosing G, with no effect. All I could feel was that benzo feeling. Later that day, as the Xanax wore off, I was floored by whatever G I'd taken in the previous few hours. I believe this is because G works by activating the brain's GHB receptors. Yes, GHB is a naturally occurring neurotransmitter in humans and plays a role in keeping us feeling alert and normal, by releasing dopamine and tickling GABA-b and serotonin receptors. This is why taking moderate doses of G can cause a stimulating, euphoric high, while particularly high doses will primarily bombard GABA-b receptors, causing drunken effects, before knocking you out. I think G only seems to block the effects of benzos because benzos generally don't touch G rebounds/withdrawal. Only a GABA-b agonist will properly sort you out, especially if you're in withdrawal. I've taken 30-50mg of alprazolam, with masses of vodka, during withdrawal and I've still been standing. I did eventually wake up on the floor, surrounded by bottles and only the vaguest memory of what had happened, so please don't do what I did. I'm lucky to be alive.

As suggested, phenibut is a good substitute, but it's missing that dopamine rush and euphoria, and ultimately leads to a nasty (longer) withdrawal, if it's abused. Baclofen is another substitute, but has less recreational value of phenibut. Baclofen is gentler and I've found it's quite easy to taper off. I wouldn't bother using either of them recreationally, because they'll never make you feel as good as G does. However, they'll certainly get you off G, especially as they are longer lasting and there's no massive urge to redose. Just be careful with doses and taper off within a few days. 3 grammes of phenibut should massively dampen even the most horrific withdrawals. 100mg+ doses of baclofen are likely to be needed, in severe cases.

I ended up developing an addiction to alcohol, as that was the easiest thing to get and has some of the characteristics of G. Again, it's never got me even close to where G does, and thinking it would was a massive mistake. I would urge people not to substitute G for alcohol. Anyone taking a lot of GBL should be converting it to GHB, as it's MUCH kinder (hardly any passing out, unless you're wreckless) and the withdrawals are easier to manage. If you're taking GBL 24/7, you'll probably find it takes a few days to feel much from GHB, even in fairly large amounts, but that's because you're used to the sudden kick from GBL and your GABA-b receptors will need to recover from downregulation. Think switching from alprazolam to diazepam, to taper off benzos. Even though the high isn't right in your face, it's still there and will make for a much softer landing. After that, take a week off and try GHB from the start, if you must use G. You'll likely start to appreciate the gentler come up, the longer duration and much more manageable withdrawals of GHB. Sorry for the long post, it's been a while since I gave out some proper G advice and I have tons of advice to give. :) I'm sure this will end up in the GHB/GBL megathread, where you can find plenty of decent information.

To answer the original question; not really, unless you want something inferior, which lacks most of the pleasurable/euphoric effects. I do enjoy phenibut, but I ultimately abuse it, trying to replicate G.

One last thing; I've probably passed out over a thousand times, from ill-timed GBL dosing. I've never once pissed myself, or woke up in A&E (because I've always taken it around people who know it's quite normal). I have pissed the bed on phenibut, though. A deep, ten hour sleep is fairly normal from higher doses.
 
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Well I don't have ants in my pants or any craving for G after using phenibut, I'm gonna try give it a miss tomorrow and see how that goes. It's not a taper as I've being lucky this time not to have a protracted withdrawal after switching from gbl to ghb over a very short period , which I did find a bit desperate for a day or two.

I'll try stick to the phenibut when, and only when, I get bad cravings for g. I'm also using an rc benzo for a bit of anxiety I'm going through and I'm gonna go to the GP and see if they can help me with that. I may try knock out the benzo when I'm using phenibut, but as I mentioned in a previous thread the g wasn't touching the anxiety but that could also have been exacerbated by swspping from the boom of GBL to the "knock knock is anybody home" of ghb of which treacle mentioned.


I love my gaba drugs but I'm sick of the rigmarole now.
 
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I find G absolutely used to destroy any anxiety, when it was bad, to the point where I'd be happy dropping acid and anything else I'd normally be cautious of, without worrying about how I'd react. Different people, I suppose.

Felix: Yeah, I meant don't think you can stop taking G and that alcoholism will be a worthy replacement. It is not, as I'm sure you know. Shitty physical effects, for a fairly shitty high.
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Is there any thing out there at the moment that could be used in replacement of g?
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well it depends on what effects you are looking for obviously..since you use Ghb, u must be seeking an alternate drug that reduces inhibition, makes you much more social and energetic and awake..one that also gives a powerful euphoric kick...well sadly my friend i have yet to find anything that comes close besides maybe phenibut...phenibut builds tolerance much faster than ghb though and the effects arent as nice...they are harsher imo and last much longer..what i have found about G is that is tends to ruin many other drugs due to its multitude of positive effects...i havent found anything that is practical that reduces anxiety while boosting sex drive and energy like G...it sucks..
 
yeah i also second what treacle is saying, going from ghb to alcohol and thinking you will get even remotely the same positive effects, you will be sorely disappointed..ive tried going back to alcohol and it just plain sucks now, doesnt matter what i drink or how much, all i get from alcohol is a sloshy, lethargic, feeling..on top of that there is no euphoria anymore, in fact it seems have been replaced by dysphoria...the clean, non jittery yet clear thinking euphoria that ghb produces i have not experienced in any other drug out there including stims, opiates, RCs, benzos...

ghbs or gbl main sticking point imo is the duration..with gbl u are looking at maybe an hour and a half worth of high, then a tiny rebound..sure, you can redose but each redose will leave you more sedated than the uppity feeling u get the first time..this is why i find it a little difficult to party all night log on gbl..
 
whoever mentioned gabapentin is kinda close..problem is, the gabapentin high cannot be sustained for long, i found it poops out after 2-3 days use and i get awful side effects from it..instead of the clear thinking effects i get from ghb, my mind is a foggy mess of gabapentin....
 
belfort said:
yeah i also second what treacle is saying, going from ghb to alcohol and thinking you will get even remotely the same positive effects, you will be sorely disappointed..ive tried going back to alcohol and it just plain sucks now, doesnt matter what i drink or how much, all i get from alcohol is a sloshy, lethargic, feeling..on top of that there is no euphoria anymore, in fact it seems have been replaced by dysphoria...the clean, non jittery yet clear thinking euphoria that ghb produces i have not experienced in any other drug out there including stims, opiates, RCs, benzos...

ghbs or gbl main sticking point imo is the duration..with gbl u are looking at maybe an hour and a half worth of high, then a tiny rebound..sure, you can redose but each redose will leave you more sedated than the uppity feeling u get the first time..this is why i find it a little difficult to party all night log on gbl..
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I won't be going on the booze, rest assured. Hate the stuff.
 
pregabalin is supposed to be superior to gabapentin, both still have tolerance issues but less so with pregabalin. As mentioned though these drugs are more suited to helping you stop taking G rather than a replacement, they aren't going to get you 'high' in the same way.
 
Just to reiterate I'm not looking to swap one addiction for another I'd just like something to help with/when I get cravings for g and the small amount of phenibut worked a treat the other week and also wiped out my anxiety, which has remained minimal since.
 
Tbh, i never 'got' ghb at all - it just seemed like an uncomfortable alcohol dose with no positives. Never tried GBL, but as i'm now abusing alcohol waay too much i'm seriously considering it - if only to try and limit consumption of cheap gutrot cider....
 
Pregabalin can get you super high if you take enough (like 900 mgs). But only works every 3 days and withdrawal is worse than benzos.
 
Pregabalin is great, but you shouldn't go around necking 900mg in some attempt to "get super high". In fact you shouldn't ever take more than 600mg per day if you value your kidneys.

Keep it at reasonable dosages (up to 150-300mg per dose if you have no tolerance) and you will have far less issues with tolerance build-up and withdrawal.
It has helped me a lot with quitting alcohol and GHB.
 
Thanks, but I used to take 1500 mgs 3 times a week for a year. Until I stopped and had a 10-day withdrawal which was a combination of a brutal benzo withdrawal with some opiate withdrawal action thrown in. The worst withdrawal in history.
 
As I said, taking such amounts of pregabalin (for a year no less!) is just asking for trouble.

But at reasonable dosages it could be a great help for the thread starter here (to help with G cravings, anxiety etc--not to help with gettign super high).

itsonlyme123 said:
Just to reiterate I'm not looking to swap one addiction for another I'd just like something to help with/when I get cravings for g and the small amount of phenibut worked a treat the other week and also wiped out my anxiety, which has remained minimal since.
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