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GHB/GBL alternatives?

Yup. Phenibut is really quite similar to Guice only a bit rougher around the edges, far longer-acting and with significantly worse w/d (in my experience). Very cheap and easy to get hold of but needs to be used with great caution. Definitely not such a hot idea to take daily for any length of time.
 
It may surprise a lot of young 'uns to know that GHB was once available OTC in Health Food Shops / Supplement Stores as a sleep aid sold for it's ability to promote Growth Hormone (GH) release during REM sleep. It was really popular with bodybuilders for that reason and I tried it myself several times.

It did have an alarming side effect that I and a few of my mates who tried it for that purpose found out though. If taken in the amounts to knock you out and promote good REM sleep it tended to have a profound diuretic effect. This combined with the fact that it rendered you virtually unconscious led to many pissing the bed and knowing nothing about it until they woke up (yes me included). In fact my mate who owned the gym I trained at told me that he woke up one morning to his wife shouting and swearing and pouring his bottle of GHB down the sink...It later transpired that he had pissed all over her in his sleep (much to her disgust). Needless to say he knocked it on the head after that. I never bothered with it again either after that either as a grown man pissing the bed every night is hardly worth the small benefits a slightly elevated night-time GH levels may have.

It was banned soon after that and I was actually surprised when years later I read that it had become the DOC for many on nights out as I never liked the feeling personally. I remember it being a bit sickly and then losing consciousness soon afterwards so I struggled to see the recreational value in that (each to their own though). I can only assume that taking it one a night out involved much lower doses than we were taking or you would be rendered unconscious on the dancefloor which would seem like a waste of an admission fee to me :D

I also recall it had a horrible chemical/petrol like taste and needed to be mixed with something to take the taste away but you weren't supposed to mix it (GHB that is) with orange juice for reasons that escape me know but something to do with the ph degrading it into something more toxic (but don't quote me on that).

It used to be really cheap as well IIRC although probably about x10 the price now it's illegal. You used to be able to buy either the liquid or the dry powder. The powder was really cheap ...something like a tenner a kilo round my way in the early 90s..The recommended dose being around a teaspoon (5g).

I also remember that even though it knocked you into an almost anesthetised sleep, you tended to wake up about 3-4 hours later (with or without a pissy duvet) and not be able to get back to sleep unless you re-dosed. Something to do with melatonin levels IIRC
 
It's still dirt cheap is ghb, GBL even more so. Ive done 8 years on the stuff now so I'm not looking for another gaba b drug to get addicted to, more something to keep my head together for a while. I've done 6 months off the geeby before and my head was just fucked all the time.

I've never pissed myself on it but I've woke up a fair few times in a&e.
 
Be careful with Phenibut.. i wasn't paying attention and managed to over dose me and a friend after a night out.. spent 16 hours passed out, waking occasionally, not knowing where i was, mild convulsions and extreme memory loss.. my partner left the house as she was so disgusted with my state and returned to a confused retard.. took me days to get over it.. possibly one of the worst experiences of my long drug career :-/

it was also the worst timing for my friend, who's girlfriends b'day it was that morning.. she was worried sick as he never came home.. she arrived at my house, found him collapsed on the floor, shouted through a window.. he woke up but it took him 10 mins to get from the living room to the back door because he kept passing out and vomiting.. i was in her bad books for a while (still am)
 
Does phenibut block ghb action? Itook 1000mg and 2.5ml gbl this morning to taper off the g, and it's done absolutely fuck all. Don't feel bad or anything just completely normal. 2.5ml would have done something yesterday so I can only blame the phenibut
 
gbl seems to have some weird blocking actions of its' own. It completely blocks the hypnotic effects of benzos long after the last dose, a good 12 hours or something. At least it does that for me, anyone else find the same thing?

Obviously I dont think other heavy duty sleeping pills like diphenhydramine would be a good idea at all to get to sleep even long after the last gbl dose, so i just have to accept that a g session will mean a sleepless night. I don't fancy taking so much that it becomes a 'knock out' dose either, as am just sticking to one session and then ending things without any 'rollovers' into the next day, where i could see how problems could easily start occuring regarding how to end a g session.
 
Ive actually had a 1500mg dose of phenibut 3 hours ago. Not feeling it as yet but I understand it has a long onset... If nothing ill up the dose to 2000mg tomorrow
 
Just a suggestion but do you not think it might be beneficial to try and find a way of unfucking your head without getting addicted to another GABAergic drug?

Not telling you what to do or owt but it seems strange to go through a detox and then just purposefully get addicted to a different drug!
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Just a suggestion but do you not think it might be beneficial to try and find a way of unfucking your head without getting addicted to another GABAergic drug?

Not telling you what to do or owt but it seems strange to go through a detox and then just purposefully get addicted to a different drug!
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Ooh why didn't I think of that before, if only I'd known it was so easy to stop using drugs the last 20 years. Fuck NA, just stop taking drugs. ... easy.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Just a suggestion but do you not think it might be beneficial to try and find a way of unfucking your head without getting addicted to another GABAergic drug?

Not telling you what to do or owt but it seems strange to go through a detox and then just purposefully get addicted to a different drug!
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Sarcasm aside mate its easier said than done. Frankly phenibut sounds like the lesser of two evils and possibly easier to manage long term.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
gbl seems to have some weird blocking actions of its' own. It completely blocks the hypnotic effects of benzos long after the last dose, a good 12 hours or something. At least it does that for me, anyone else find the same thing?

Obviously I dont think other heavy duty sleeping pills like diphenhydramine would be a good idea at all to get to sleep even long after the last gbl dose, so i just have to accept that a g session will mean a sleepless night. I don't fancy taking so much that it becomes a 'knock out' dose either, as am just sticking to one session and then ending things without any 'rollovers' into the next day, where i could see how problems could easily start occuring regarding how to end a g session.
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Diphen and g withdrawal us a big no no for me, it makes my skin crawl and makes the voices I hear because of withdrawal even worse
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Sarcasm aside mate its easier said than done. Frankly phenibut sounds like the lesser of two evils and possibly easier to manage long term.
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Well yeah I'm not saying it would be easy am I, the benefits of getting it worked out have got to be appealing though? No need to be sarcastic matey, we're all friends here.

I'm more than aware of the perils of being addicted to GABAergic drugs and how difficult it can be to get and stay clean.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Well yeah I'm not saying it would be easy am I, the benefits of getting it worked out have got to be appealing though? No need to be sarcastic matey, we're all friends here.

I'm more than aware of the perils of being addicted to GABAergic drugs and how difficult it can be to get and stay clean.
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I'm fucking sick to death of it in honesty. I've tried so many times but can never see the light at the end of the tunnel and end up sucked back into it.
 
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