Daedalus237
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Alright guys, I'm back with an update. I've decided to change up my game plan a bit and use .5mg klonopin ONLY when I have circumstances with high anxiety rather than every day for the time being, as this week and next one or two will be high-stress weeks, after that everything should cool off. I do not want to go into too much detail but suffice it to say I am going through a transitory period in my life and the benzos have been a godsend so far. I know these are classic justification/denial patterns and you guys will probably say I should just power through it without drugs, but bear with me. I do not want to fall into benzo addiction due to all the horrific side effects and WD's that I have read about, but I have been keeping a close eye on my intake and want to know as much as I can regarding the "nature of the beast" since I do have an addictive personality, and I know benzos are not to be taken lightly.
I notice that my tolerance *seems* to be climbing which has me worried, on some days I am taking as much 2-3 .5mg doses in a 24hr period, as on some days I have a tendency to not sleep for 20 hour periods and take short 4-5 hr naps due to work and school and other time-sensitive situations.
First a bit of background on my situation; I have a chronic stim habit, mostly revolving around caffeine, ephedrine and energy drinks but also some adderall and armodafinil (not technically a stimulant but bear with me). The latter two are more situational for when I really need to focus on something, with around 10-15mg adderall and 50mg armo being typical doses. My caffeine and ephedrine tolerance is pretty high however, I use the two in tandem in typical EC stack fashion (200mg caff 25mg eph sulfate), one such dose will only sort of perk me up for a few hours but I really need to add another 200mg caff to really feel awake and productive, and will sometimes add the adderall and armo to this as well. I also smoke cigarettes, about 1-2 day. I have read that nicotine can shorten the half-life of benzodiazepines and also think the increased metabolism from the stimulants is contributing to the reduced effects of the benzos as well. I find that all these factors tend to cause my mind to race and I find myself distracted very often, however I find that just the amount of stimulants combined with a .5mg dose of kpin will ward off the lethargy of sleep deprivation without causing my mind to race, giving me an almost machine-like focus on the task at hand for hours on end. (Yes I know combining CNS stimulants and suppressants is a bad idea).
Now that we've gotten past that, I have two concerns. One, is whether I am actually building a dangerous tolerance to kpin, or am I just dosing more because all of the aformentioned factors are causing it to be "used up" more quickly, prompting me to reup more frequently. I will mention that since the last time I posted, I went a three day period without any kpins where I did not really notice an increase in baseline anxiety or other WD symptoms, but since kpin has a notoriously long half-life, perhaps it has not cleared my system entirely which would explain the lack of said symptoms. I have been periodically testing myself by thinking about things that normally cause me to feel anxious and gauging my reacting to them, by the second and third kpin-free day I found that my reaction returned to baseline but didn't really increase per se. Another "test", since I am afraid of heights, is to look over the railing at a high location (18 stories) straight down. At baseline this will cause me to feel panicked and want to back away, and I typically walk as far away from railings as possible in these situations. I know the benzo is in effect when I look over and do not feel panic, I feel cautious and not reckless, but also not panicked. With this test I also returned to baseline later in the second kpin-free day.
So my first question is, how long does it usually take to build a tolerance to kpins that will be difficult to withdraw from at the 1.5mg/day dose? I have read conflicting reports since I know recreational benzo use tends to raise tolerance extremely quickly, and I have read reports of people withdrawing from "lowish" utility doses such as mine, but in all the cases they were using them for many months on end.
The second question is regarding quitting. I am planning to continue using kpins situationally for the next 7-10 days, then once everything settles down I will quit all of the drugs cold turkey and take some time to recover. My question is if it is safe to do so after a total of 20 or so days "on", will I risk seizures or would it be better to just taper off instead and not take any chances? I have plenty of kpins on hand so tapering is not really an issue if i need to do so. Finally how long should I detox before restarting use to avoid building dangerous tolerances?
I have been reading a lot of the other benzo threads on this board to familiarize myself with the drugs, but had the questions bugging me so I decided to post. Sorry if I sound like a raving paranoid lunatic!
I haven't taken a .5mg dose since over 10 hours ago and am also tweaked out on stims atm. figured I wouldn't exclude any details and at the very least would be a decent case study for others in their forays into benzo-land.
phew! that was a long write-up. on a side note, is there any way to extend the time limit on this site? I got timed out like 4 times writing this.
I notice that my tolerance *seems* to be climbing which has me worried, on some days I am taking as much 2-3 .5mg doses in a 24hr period, as on some days I have a tendency to not sleep for 20 hour periods and take short 4-5 hr naps due to work and school and other time-sensitive situations.
First a bit of background on my situation; I have a chronic stim habit, mostly revolving around caffeine, ephedrine and energy drinks but also some adderall and armodafinil (not technically a stimulant but bear with me). The latter two are more situational for when I really need to focus on something, with around 10-15mg adderall and 50mg armo being typical doses. My caffeine and ephedrine tolerance is pretty high however, I use the two in tandem in typical EC stack fashion (200mg caff 25mg eph sulfate), one such dose will only sort of perk me up for a few hours but I really need to add another 200mg caff to really feel awake and productive, and will sometimes add the adderall and armo to this as well. I also smoke cigarettes, about 1-2 day. I have read that nicotine can shorten the half-life of benzodiazepines and also think the increased metabolism from the stimulants is contributing to the reduced effects of the benzos as well. I find that all these factors tend to cause my mind to race and I find myself distracted very often, however I find that just the amount of stimulants combined with a .5mg dose of kpin will ward off the lethargy of sleep deprivation without causing my mind to race, giving me an almost machine-like focus on the task at hand for hours on end. (Yes I know combining CNS stimulants and suppressants is a bad idea).
Now that we've gotten past that, I have two concerns. One, is whether I am actually building a dangerous tolerance to kpin, or am I just dosing more because all of the aformentioned factors are causing it to be "used up" more quickly, prompting me to reup more frequently. I will mention that since the last time I posted, I went a three day period without any kpins where I did not really notice an increase in baseline anxiety or other WD symptoms, but since kpin has a notoriously long half-life, perhaps it has not cleared my system entirely which would explain the lack of said symptoms. I have been periodically testing myself by thinking about things that normally cause me to feel anxious and gauging my reacting to them, by the second and third kpin-free day I found that my reaction returned to baseline but didn't really increase per se. Another "test", since I am afraid of heights, is to look over the railing at a high location (18 stories) straight down. At baseline this will cause me to feel panicked and want to back away, and I typically walk as far away from railings as possible in these situations. I know the benzo is in effect when I look over and do not feel panic, I feel cautious and not reckless, but also not panicked. With this test I also returned to baseline later in the second kpin-free day.
So my first question is, how long does it usually take to build a tolerance to kpins that will be difficult to withdraw from at the 1.5mg/day dose? I have read conflicting reports since I know recreational benzo use tends to raise tolerance extremely quickly, and I have read reports of people withdrawing from "lowish" utility doses such as mine, but in all the cases they were using them for many months on end.
The second question is regarding quitting. I am planning to continue using kpins situationally for the next 7-10 days, then once everything settles down I will quit all of the drugs cold turkey and take some time to recover. My question is if it is safe to do so after a total of 20 or so days "on", will I risk seizures or would it be better to just taper off instead and not take any chances? I have plenty of kpins on hand so tapering is not really an issue if i need to do so. Finally how long should I detox before restarting use to avoid building dangerous tolerances?
I have been reading a lot of the other benzo threads on this board to familiarize myself with the drugs, but had the questions bugging me so I decided to post. Sorry if I sound like a raving paranoid lunatic!

phew! that was a long write-up. on a side note, is there any way to extend the time limit on this site? I got timed out like 4 times writing this.
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