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Benzos Getting Restful Sleep on Clonazepam

Alright guys, I'm back with an update. I've decided to change up my game plan a bit and use .5mg klonopin ONLY when I have circumstances with high anxiety rather than every day for the time being, as this week and next one or two will be high-stress weeks, after that everything should cool off. I do not want to go into too much detail but suffice it to say I am going through a transitory period in my life and the benzos have been a godsend so far. I know these are classic justification/denial patterns and you guys will probably say I should just power through it without drugs, but bear with me. I do not want to fall into benzo addiction due to all the horrific side effects and WD's that I have read about, but I have been keeping a close eye on my intake and want to know as much as I can regarding the "nature of the beast" since I do have an addictive personality, and I know benzos are not to be taken lightly.

I notice that my tolerance *seems* to be climbing which has me worried, on some days I am taking as much 2-3 .5mg doses in a 24hr period, as on some days I have a tendency to not sleep for 20 hour periods and take short 4-5 hr naps due to work and school and other time-sensitive situations.

First a bit of background on my situation; I have a chronic stim habit, mostly revolving around caffeine, ephedrine and energy drinks but also some adderall and armodafinil (not technically a stimulant but bear with me). The latter two are more situational for when I really need to focus on something, with around 10-15mg adderall and 50mg armo being typical doses. My caffeine and ephedrine tolerance is pretty high however, I use the two in tandem in typical EC stack fashion (200mg caff 25mg eph sulfate), one such dose will only sort of perk me up for a few hours but I really need to add another 200mg caff to really feel awake and productive, and will sometimes add the adderall and armo to this as well. I also smoke cigarettes, about 1-2 day. I have read that nicotine can shorten the half-life of benzodiazepines and also think the increased metabolism from the stimulants is contributing to the reduced effects of the benzos as well. I find that all these factors tend to cause my mind to race and I find myself distracted very often, however I find that just the amount of stimulants combined with a .5mg dose of kpin will ward off the lethargy of sleep deprivation without causing my mind to race, giving me an almost machine-like focus on the task at hand for hours on end. (Yes I know combining CNS stimulants and suppressants is a bad idea).

Now that we've gotten past that, I have two concerns. One, is whether I am actually building a dangerous tolerance to kpin, or am I just dosing more because all of the aformentioned factors are causing it to be "used up" more quickly, prompting me to reup more frequently. I will mention that since the last time I posted, I went a three day period without any kpins where I did not really notice an increase in baseline anxiety or other WD symptoms, but since kpin has a notoriously long half-life, perhaps it has not cleared my system entirely which would explain the lack of said symptoms. I have been periodically testing myself by thinking about things that normally cause me to feel anxious and gauging my reacting to them, by the second and third kpin-free day I found that my reaction returned to baseline but didn't really increase per se. Another "test", since I am afraid of heights, is to look over the railing at a high location (18 stories) straight down. At baseline this will cause me to feel panicked and want to back away, and I typically walk as far away from railings as possible in these situations. I know the benzo is in effect when I look over and do not feel panic, I feel cautious and not reckless, but also not panicked. With this test I also returned to baseline later in the second kpin-free day.

So my first question is, how long does it usually take to build a tolerance to kpins that will be difficult to withdraw from at the 1.5mg/day dose? I have read conflicting reports since I know recreational benzo use tends to raise tolerance extremely quickly, and I have read reports of people withdrawing from "lowish" utility doses such as mine, but in all the cases they were using them for many months on end.

The second question is regarding quitting. I am planning to continue using kpins situationally for the next 7-10 days, then once everything settles down I will quit all of the drugs cold turkey and take some time to recover. My question is if it is safe to do so after a total of 20 or so days "on", will I risk seizures or would it be better to just taper off instead and not take any chances? I have plenty of kpins on hand so tapering is not really an issue if i need to do so. Finally how long should I detox before restarting use to avoid building dangerous tolerances?

I have been reading a lot of the other benzo threads on this board to familiarize myself with the drugs, but had the questions bugging me so I decided to post. Sorry if I sound like a raving paranoid lunatic! :sus: I haven't taken a .5mg dose since over 10 hours ago and am also tweaked out on stims atm. figured I wouldn't exclude any details and at the very least would be a decent case study for others in their forays into benzo-land.



phew! that was a long write-up. on a side note, is there any way to extend the time limit on this site? I got timed out like 4 times writing this.
 
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Ask to switch to something else. Clonazepam is a strong one to start of on, id be thinkin more diazepam one a day kinda thing. imo

doesn't diazepam have like a 200hr or some other crazy long half life? i figured the kpins would be better in the regard that I could have more frequent and longer "skip" periods to rebuild my tolerance, since it would clear my system faster.

Doctor's WHO PRESCRIBE DRUGS might do this. Dr's who can't prescribe drugs prob recommend the ways that make THEM money, ways they are trained in. And there are pro's and con's to both.

How about going to talk therapy, exploring your childhood.... and then turning into someone with chronic homocidial ideation due to the digging around in the psyche that has been burried for 4 plus decades? Open a pandora's box much without having the way to lock it back up, let alone the foresight to see this possibly coming? And this was from a PhD which sepcialized in trauma and had decades of experience.

Threre are pro's and con's to both and some things are best left alone with a drug thrown in to keep someone stable and not a menace to society.... just food for thought on the other side of that coin bro

wow, is it really possible to unearth something through therapy that can make you insane like that? i've had homicidal ideation as well but I read on the wiki article that it's fairly common. i've always been kind of that quiet awkward kid but i'm pretty laid back and casual around my (tight knit) circle of friends. i turn into a social animal with a few drinks in me though. damn now you have me paranoid!
 
Try Melatonin at 0.5-1mg, and chelated Magnesium at 400-600mg, as they both increase REM sleep. Also, try to space out your last Clonazepam dosage as long as you can before you fall asleep or pass out.

Melatonin makes my eyes hurt. Like the sandman poured his whole bag of sand into my eyes.

Is that normal?

Definitely not normal, but Melatonin can have some crazy side effects, especially the first few times you use it, especially at a dose too large (anything >1mg).

My first time using Melatonin was when I was 16 years old, before doing any drugs except caffeine and alcohol, and I had used Diphenhydramine 50mg a couple of times. I didn't like the hangover of DPH, so I went out at 2am on a sleepless night and bought some 3mg Melatonin. Just one cap, and I was tripping balls, strange as hell. Extremely terrifying, lucid dreams, mostly nightmares, and I would be awaken every 15 minutes. It was most restless and crazy sleep of my existence.

Craziest shit ever, and I vowed never to use it again. Fast forward to 21, done several drugs, and 0.5-1mg Melatonin helps me sleep amazingly, making me very refreshed and relaxed in the morning.
 
I just have to brag because I am pretty excited... I went to fill my script of 60 0.2mg clonidine and go to take one and I am like wtf it's round not oval, I look at the bottle and its 2mg clonazepam!

I usually buy 2mg xanax bars once in a while to ease the transition ffrom full agonists to partial if I go on a bupe vacation, and now I wont have to for a wh ile. HOnestly these are probayhl even better b/c they have a longer half life

Thats was just about the coolest thing ever.. I mean they coulda given me some vagina pills or nipple enlargers but I acutally got somethin sweet as fuck.
 
That could be a bad thing, dude. Watch your ass, last thing you want to do is get hooked, especially without a steady prescription.
 
You are preaching to the choir lol..I said the same thing to my self dude..you are 10000000000% right.. I actually got hookd on benzos a while back.. I was taking them recreationally then more and more and eventually I started every day.. so I took 4-6mg alrpazolam every day for around 3 months and the withdrawal was.. well it sounds like you know how benzo withdrawal is.. lets just say it was worse by FAR than a detox from a 15 bag a day heroni habit IV'd.

Now if I use more than 3 days it's bad news.. like one time a few months ago I used around 4-8mg alprazolam every day for around 6-10 days, and while the withdrawal didn't last long, it was horrible like I almost walked down the block to the ER thats how bad I was feeling. I've never come close to going to the hospital for withdrawals but benzos are a whole idfferent ball park then opiates are. I swear to god that once you get dependent on something no matter how lmuch clean time you have the dependency level shoots right back up so quick. After about 24 hours from my last dose of alpraz it pretty mcuh peaked..and for about 24 hours straight I was buggin out like between teh crazy anxiety you get and the physical symptoms it's easy to bug out about anything. I was feeling so depressed i was crying histerically liek every 10 minutes and I think the last time I cried was when I broke my elbow in a tee-ball game when I was a young chap

So basically this is my plan. I am about to detox off a moderate opiate habit CT. around 50% of the time I am on full agonists 50% I am on bupe, and lately for the past month or 2 its been more full agonists than partial.. I take around 2-3mg buprenorphine daily when I do take it, and if it was strickly bupe I would definitely taper dwon more, but the past 2 months ive used dope so much that honestly I am starting to think my detox will be more of a dope detox than a buprenorphine detox length wise.

So I am going to take care of some shit this week that I gotto do then when the weekend rolls around I am going to try my plan:
1. Stop taking bupe
2. Use clonazepam, immodium, dxm, bananas etc.. to try to push through detox.
3. Taper off clonazepam. I gave my friend 10 today because what goes around comes around..im sure one day ill need a favor and he'll be there for mee. Plus it feels good being generous and not a super fiend like usual lol.

I figure I have 50 2mg clonozepam... so I am thinking that I will allot 30 to assist in detox and 20 to taper off the benzos. If anyone has any ideas regarding the benzo thing lemme kno. I know for a fact that I couldn't cold turkey without them.. I tried a few weeks ago and it's just too severe for me knowing I can just take some bupe and feel ok, so my plan was to spend a few weeks tapering my bupe dose lower. But since I got this script I am thinking maybe this can push me over the hump.

Ive been a dupe/bupe user a long time.. well not too long but aro\und 3-4 years. I used to think it was like 3 daysd of hell then you were srtaight but opiates are far from that lol. but I figure by day 3 not taking bupe I am already sick as a dog.. I am going to push my self as far as I can go off bupe, which will be around 3 days lol (half life). Then my plan is to use the clonzepam to get me through the next 5 days.. those are the worst days and hopefully it will all be downhill from there.

I juss figure after 8 or 9 days the withdrawals, while they are far from over, should be moving in a downwards direction, with a noticeable difference every day.
 
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Using benzodiazepines for social anxiety is even worse. Take it from someone who was on Benzodiazepine therapy for over 9 years.

I've been on every benzodiazepine available in the USA, at varying doses, low, to extremely high.

It is CRIMINAL for doctors to prescribe benzodiazepines for social anxiety, but big pharma wants $$$ and to push more pills, and man, do they push these pills. Just like Big Tobacco got everyone hooked on their cancerous product, and is a Billion dollar industry. They don't care about your health, Big Pharma is no different from Big Oil, it's all about their holy dollar and what their market shares are worth.

If you are not at the point where you would be institutionalized at a psych ward due to your anxiety, then you should not be on benzodiazepines. They are for DEBILITATING anxiety, yet are handed out like candy and no doctors ever warn you what you're getting into. I doubt you'll heed my advice, I know that ten years ago I would have thought "Well, I'm different, I will use benzodiazepines in a safe way", and likely would have repeated all these mistakes that got me where I am today.

Seriously reconsider using benzodiazepines for social anxiety. I learned more about how to cope with social situations and anxiety in the year I've been off benzodiazepines than in almost a decade of benzodiazepine therapy. You have been warned.

tricomb, you're making it seem like benzodiazepines are barbiturates or something. They aren't anymore dangerous than opioids, yet you're okay with the prescription of opioids?

Studies have shown that iatrogenic benzodiazepine addiction rates are typically very low. So I don't understand the near-hysteria about benzodiazepine prescription. You say you've been prescribed every benzo there is on the US market (even though some technically "available" benzos aren't in production and haven't been for years) but if you are a true sufferer of any form of anxiety, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying. Some of us don't just suffer from social anxiety, some us have PTSD or panic disorder. You obviously don't know what anxiety really is to be saying what you are saying right now. I get one benzo scripted right now and that's alprazolam (5 years now) and before that I was on prazepam and triazolam for just over a year. I have been given other random scripts, typically for lorazepam or alprazolam, for years and I've been using benzos for close to 14 years now. Most of my benzo abuse comes from online pharmacies.
 
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