Getting high from snakebites

Bomboclat said:
I find it rather odd that the comments I see here are insulting to those who have used snake venom to achieve a high. Why is it that we reject such an idea, when we accept without contest the idea of shooting up, insufflating substances, and smoking inorganics? What makes snake venom any different from the drugs we use today? Yes, snake venom is more times than none, deadly, but its not as if Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, etc arent deadly themselves.

While I do not agree with such a practice, and find it to be a very risky one at that, I do not feel the need to wholeheartedly reject it, as who is to say what is right or wrong?

Just my two cents.
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"Dizziness and blurred vision" are side-effects of being poisoned, not side-effects of being high, although I'll admit the two are easy to confuse since the latter sometimes leads to the former.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that every dope fiend with the sense to taste a new batch before prepping a rig is a lot better at eyeballing doses than the finger of a nomadic snake charmer trying to regulate the flow of venom.

The main problem I have with that is there is no standard for snake potency; meaning that even if the snake charmer knows exactly when 10mL has passed through the snake's fangs he/she still has no idea of the concentration of the neurotoxins being administered.

Keep in mind some of those neurotoxins work by the same mechanisms as nerve agents which are literally engineered to kill people more effectively than any other weapon.

If this thread were about someone who managed to get high from sarin gas without kicking the bucket, would you have the same attitude toward the practice? I mean, BL is a harm reduction forum, after all. There are safe ways to get high from cocaine, heroin, and meth; one guy getting poisoned and enjoying it does not a promising drug make.
 
thujone said:
...................... there is no doubt in my mind that every dope fiend with the sense to taste a new batch before prepping a rig is a lot better at eyeballing doses than the finger of a nomadic snake charmer trying to regulate the flow of venom.

The main problem I have with that is there is no standard for snake potency; meaning that even if the snake charmer knows exactly when 10mL has passed through the snake's fangs he/she still has no idea of the concentration of the neurotoxins being administered.
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Well, maybe the snake charmers leave it up to the snake. It has been noted that snakes control the amount of venom they inject based on whether they need to subdue the target or simply frighten it off. No point in wasting precious venom on something far to big to get into their small mouths.

It could be that it's not as dangerous (or stupid) as some people here are assuming.

Could it be they just don't like snakes? ;)
 
The only thing I find more ridiculous than the OP is the ranting and in-fighting amongst us. Go take a hit, do a bump, shoot whatever, wait 15 minutes and come back.

Drugs make the world happy.
 
Bomboclat said:
You seem to have missed the point of my post entirely, and were very rude in your way of showing it.

I highly suggest re-reading what I wrote, and then kindly shoving it up your ass.

Namaste
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Well why dont you focus your energy into elaborating why you think my post was rude, wrong, missing the point, instead of letting your ego get inbetween a good old debate?

Because you know, instead of taking it all personal, why dont you accept that people are going to call you out on your posts, and if your only reaction to this is posts like this where you get personally offended, then you're not emotionally developed enough for this.

Because you do realise i was critisizing your points and not you personally? Jeeze... How can you call me the rude one? You're the one who reacted with egotism, became offended took it all personal and became rude...

Why cant you calmly point out where i missed your points? Instead of literally getting angry at a fucking forum post lol, and being all :O 'how dare this bastard disagree with me, fucking rude asshole'.

Dont you see how pathetic it is to take these sort of things to heart? Someone disagrees with your point, writes like 25 lines of thought out bullshit explaining exactly why they disagree, you come to the post, become upset that god-forbid somebody wants to DISAGREE with you, then you flip out and tell me to shove your post up my ass? Because what i refuted your points? Because i disagreed with you? Because you are running low on drugs as of late? Why the hostility pal?
 
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Dr.DOB said:
ketamine injections are the best experiences man has to offer, you are truly missing out on mans greatest wonder because of your irrational fear
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irrational nothing lol I had a baaaad experience with a needle before. I almost have a black out panic attack every time I've needed a shot since this happened getting a routine biopsy done:

http://www.bluelight.ru/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48643&cat=500&ppuser=84506


No needles for me thanks haha And I LOVE k, but nooooo thanks, scares the crap outta me. Brain is like hardwired to avoid now
 
Don't get bitten, milk the fucking snake and then add the venom to a tea, make sure you have no cuts in your mouth, and as other posters have said, don't knock it till you try it.

Australian brown snakes will work just fine, just make sure you don't get bitten when you are milking it or you will probably die.

But do it right and you will get high.
 
8L4YN3 said:
Okay exactly WHAT elitism are you refering to here? All i can see is people reacting in a pretty predictable way to the contents of the thread.

Sorry to break it to you, because people think this way of altering your consciousness is quite stupid dosn't make it elitism. lol.

It's pathetic you would even claim this, i dont see anyone here saying how they are better than people who do this? All i see if people pointing out some truths about how stupid anyone would truely have to be to do this.

This isnt elitism, or whatever ever other bullshit you want to call it. It's people giving you their opinion. So dont come here saying things like that just for the sake of it, when there is no elitism what so ever in the thread. Just because people say its stupid dosn't mean they're implying they're elite or better than people who do this.... And whats so frustrating about differing opinions? You know just because some people dont agree with you, you just cant start screaming elitism! Around lol.. What do you expect everyone to be in 100% perfect agreement all of the time so you dont get frustrated that god forbid some elites want to disagree with or attack your opinion. If you can't hack this, get off a public forum.

Time for you to perhaps lift your thinking up a notch or two?
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So you don't see elitism in people claiming that certain ways of manipulating consciousness are disgusting, while other ways are perfectly normal?

That's okay. It seems perfectly clear to me, however.

Shall I spell it out for you?

My friend works with a minority tribe in a South American nation. The people of that tribe eat two of the three types of tree grubs found in the forest there. Their neighbors, from a different tribe, eat all three types of tree grubs. Therefore, my friend's tribe looks down on their neighbors as disgusting.

See any parallels?

Still don't get it? That's okay. We can agree to see things differently.

However, you want to insult me for my viewpoint?
"pathetic, bullshit, get off a public forum, time to lift your thinking"
Sounds like you want to make a problem.

Using this faceless, nameless platform to try to attack random strangers so that you can feel slightly better about yourself?

Self-confidence doesn't come that way, no matter how much you might want to believe that it does.

Seeing a therapist would help you a lot more.

Oh, and you may also learn in the process how to "lift your kindness and humanity up a notch or two." ;)
 
8L4YN3 said:
Well why dont you focus your energy into elaborating why you think my post was rude, wrong, missing the point, instead of letting your ego get inbetween a good old debate?

Because you know, instead of taking it all personal, why dont you accept that people are going to call you out on your posts, and if your only reaction to this is posts like this where you get personally offended, then you're not emotionally developed enough for this.

Because you do realise i was critisizing your points and not you personally? Jeeze... How can you call me the rude one? You're the one who reacted with egotism, became offended took it all personal and became rude...

Why cant you calmly point out where i missed your points? Instead of literally getting angry at a fucking forum post lol, and being all :O 'how dare this bastard disagree with me, fucking rude asshole'.

Dont you see how pathetic it is to take these sort of things to heart? Someone disagrees with your point, writes like 25 lines of thought out bullshit explaining exactly why they disagree, you come to the post, become upset that god-forbid somebody wants to DISAGREE with you, then you flip out and tell me to shove your post up my ass? Because what i refuted your points? Because i disagreed with you? Because you are running low on drugs as of late? Why the hostility pal?
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I won't try to answer for Bomboclast, but I will let you in on a secret:
the way you said what you wanted to say was very rude.
You used insults and profanity, peppered throughout your post, to express something more than simply disagreement.
People who merely want to disagree do not need to adopt such an offensive tone.
Your pretend shock at Bomboclast's response, when you clearly intended to incite anger in your posts, comes across as juvenile game-playing.

The rest of us are here to have a discussion.
You are here to insult and try to fight.
If you continue to do this I will slap you with an infraction.
That said, any constructive comments you want to make are welcome.
 
slimvictor said:
I completely agree with Bomboclast.
The elitism shown by some people around here is very frustrating.
I would have thought that we were all together in our open-mindedness with respect to achieving altered states of consciousness, but alas! It is not so.
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I just thought it was wacky to get snake bitten for a high. I mean, I guess you could drink your own urine if it got you high also. there are certain boundaries you cross & certain ones you dont imo.

Im european & we eat lams brains, tongues & what not so it wouldnt surprise me if anyone drank or smoked something to get high. Me personally, I hate snakes with a passion so maybe thats where my opinions about them come in.
 
"Yo man, I'm feen'in bad...it's been hours since my last hit yo!"

"Yeah man, me too, shit...where we gonna cop from?"

"Whole town is dry man. We gotsta get us some snakebites yo!"

"What kinna shit is that man? I never hearda no shit called snakebite before..."

"Naw man, it ain't no product, you just get yourself bit by a snake and shit."

"Fa-real?! Yo that shit be soundin like a straight up fool's errand yo! The fuck is you thinkin?!"

"Naw man, I heard about the shit. It's like the best hit ever yo, or some shit...just lay you out man, for hours."

"Is this gonna be like the time you had use smokin on them bananna peels and shit? Cuz that was some BULL-SHIT!"

"Hell naw! I swear on my mutha, snakebite is legit man."

"Aite. Now where the fuck we gonna get ourselves some pissed off snakes? I never even seen one them shits befo."

"Man, my cousin, he works at the zoo and shit..."

...
 
8L4YN3 said:
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How can anyone compare this to shooting up or anything. You know injecting a drug isnt like you're taking a 50/50 chance that someone bad is going to happen. When done correct it's fairly safe. Could this be said about snakebites?
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I'm not trying to jump in the middle of an arguement, but it took time to make "shooting up heroin safe" if you can even call it that. I'm not saying I approve of using snake bites to get high, but who's to say with enough experience someone can't make getting bit safe. It's the same as if you got someone shooting up and they don't do test shots or anything just throw a couple bags in the spoon and have a blast.

You can use the arguement "well it's a snake you don't know how its going to effect you" but there's been a lot of people that bought really pure dope/dope cut with fent and did a test shot and it fuckin killed em. Obviously getting bit by a snake isn't the safest thing but I didn't see anywhere it said somebody had died from doing it on purpose, so seems like better then 50/50 chance to me.

With that said, I'll stick to dope.
 
Cobra venom is neuroactive and (IIRC) sedating, so I'm not surprised that many people who were bitten by a Naja spp. might experience sensations that they considered pleasurable. I have heard from quite a few snakekeepers that the bite from a Black Mamba (another species with potent neurotoxic venom) is supposedly euphoric... and since it's 100% fatal if not treated, it may well be one of the more pleasant ways of dying.

All that being said, this is a seriously, SERIOUSLY risky way of catching a buzz. Cobra venom also has some seriously hemotoxic and corrosive components: if you think an abscess from a missed shot looks bad, wait until you see fingers dropping off and rotting.
 
Aren't most snake venoms hemotoxins or neurotoxins? Not exactly the most euphoric high I imagine 8o

I read a report on Erowid once about an accidental black widow bite which produced some pretty crazy and painful effects, but I've never heard of intentional recreational envenomation.
 
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