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Getting around a O'Neill Long Acting Naltrexone Implant (revia)
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Flexistentialist
Bluelight Crew
No one can answer that for you, because there's too many variables in the implants he's using. My only advice would be to be really careful. Heaps of people have died either trying to shoot over the implant (and finding out the hard way that the implant has broken down faster than he's told you it would) or having the implant removed and then using again without accounting for the dramatic reduction in tolerance that naltrexone causes.
If you still feel like using, why don't you get the implant removed and get on a proper opiate treatment program (methadone or bupe) because at least these treatments have been researched and found to be safe and effective. Dr O'Neil is a quack who should be put out of business.
If you still feel like using, why don't you get the implant removed and get on a proper opiate treatment program (methadone or bupe) because at least these treatments have been researched and found to be safe and effective. Dr O'Neil is a quack who should be put out of business.
Cheers
Thanks for being straight up. This implant has made me SUPER depressed. Everyday I fight with suicide urges and basically keep my self tranquillised with Seroquel, pot and tamazepam so I dont just slit my wrists to end this bullshit.
nobody told me you basically cant feel good at all with revia http://i.bluelight.ru/s/wrygrin.gif
cant afford to get it removed so I spose I'll have to be careful
Thanks for being straight up. This implant has made me SUPER depressed. Everyday I fight with suicide urges and basically keep my self tranquillised with Seroquel, pot and tamazepam so I dont just slit my wrists to end this bullshit.
nobody told me you basically cant feel good at all with revia http://i.bluelight.ru/s/wrygrin.gif
cant afford to get it removed so I spose I'll have to be careful
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i've never heard anything good about these implants.
i had a (ex)friend who got one implanted in him a few years back and given he was already diagnosed manic depressant, paranoid, and had a lot OCD tendencies, the implant only magnified these symptoms in him. as soon as he got the implant out he went straight back into using and much heavier at that. he was also taking seroquel and temazepam with it.
i agree with what flex said.
we've had a few people in OD posting trying the exact same thing as you.
i had a (ex)friend who got one implanted in him a few years back and given he was already diagnosed manic depressant, paranoid, and had a lot OCD tendencies, the implant only magnified these symptoms in him. as soon as he got the implant out he went straight back into using and much heavier at that. he was also taking seroquel and temazepam with it.
i agree with what flex said.
we've had a few people in OD posting trying the exact same thing as you.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
^sorry by OD i meant Other Drugs, the forum i moderate.
i strongly suggest you don't try and break through it for the soul reason of possibly overdosing.
it's such a risky activity because you're not able to gauge the effects of the opiate until that final stage where you're almost breaking through the blockade. save the oxy until you're off the implant.
then you're going to have to tread carefully as well as your tolerance will have dropped significantly from the implant and from 4 months abstinence.
i strongly suggest you don't try and break through it for the soul reason of possibly overdosing.
it's such a risky activity because you're not able to gauge the effects of the opiate until that final stage where you're almost breaking through the blockade. save the oxy until you're off the implant.
then you're going to have to tread carefully as well as your tolerance will have dropped significantly from the implant and from 4 months abstinence.
hyroller
Bluelighter
Yeah, I agree with saving the oxy, too....
Are you sure you couldn't finance the removal?
Look into some options - I know credit card companies are sending out balance transfer stuff and the like. Not to give you financial advice or anything, but there are always credit providers, and (honest) ways to make extra cash if you want something badly enough.
And, lastly, remind yourself why you got it in the first place.
Surely being stuck in limbo is better than rotting in hell..... no?
Are you sure you couldn't finance the removal?
Look into some options - I know credit card companies are sending out balance transfer stuff and the like. Not to give you financial advice or anything, but there are always credit providers, and (honest) ways to make extra cash if you want something badly enough.
And, lastly, remind yourself why you got it in the first place.
Surely being stuck in limbo is better than rotting in hell..... no?
Thanks guys for replying. Oh now I get it about OD=other drugs.
BLESS
I didnt think to ask if they can remove it - but I cant go in there and say take it out/my implant comes with some conditions from my family. Anyway I'll keep the oxys till the six month mark - logic would guess that it would be at least half as effective as it was when it was put in.
Of course when i do do it/ if/ I'll do it a tiny bit at a time. like starting with a 20.
Who knows I may just get that dirty on the whole situation I throw the fuckers away and suck it up.
And yes I know Im sad and pathetic for wanting a hit, four months clean (of needles) is an achievement (I guess - limbo sucks - if you've been there you know) I suppose thats why Im classed as an addict.
BLESS
I didnt think to ask if they can remove it - but I cant go in there and say take it out/my implant comes with some conditions from my family. Anyway I'll keep the oxys till the six month mark - logic would guess that it would be at least half as effective as it was when it was put in.
Of course when i do do it/ if/ I'll do it a tiny bit at a time. like starting with a 20.
Who knows I may just get that dirty on the whole situation I throw the fuckers away and suck it up.
And yes I know Im sad and pathetic for wanting a hit, four months clean (of needles) is an achievement (I guess - limbo sucks - if you've been there you know) I suppose thats why Im classed as an addict.
Flexistentialist
Bluelight Crew
Have you thought about trying to find a decent psychiatrist to talk about your depression with? Don't go to anyone recommended by O'Neil, but maybe hit up your GP for a referral. A psychiatrist would possibly recommend the implant be removed, due to the risks associated with them (both in terms of depression, and also the fact that these implants have not been approved for human use in Australia). It also might be the case that you could benefit from some other medication (other than seroquel and temazepam).
Also, be aware that naltrexone reverses tolerance, so if you do decide to use again, your tolerance will be much, much lower than if you'd just had a break. This is the reason so many people died when the implants first came out. People can predict their tolerance (to some degree) based on past experience with short breaks etc, but the naltrexone reduces tolerance much faster than the natural reduction in tolerance that comes from taking a break.
Also, be aware that naltrexone reverses tolerance, so if you do decide to use again, your tolerance will be much, much lower than if you'd just had a break. This is the reason so many people died when the implants first came out. People can predict their tolerance (to some degree) based on past experience with short breaks etc, but the naltrexone reduces tolerance much faster than the natural reduction in tolerance that comes from taking a break.
Thanks flex, your advice seems like a good way too go. My GP knows me so getting a referral will be easy. Thanks for the warning, I know oxys can be potent and more so with naltrexone in my system. It's funny - I asked if anyone had ever died on this treatment and I was told a resounding NO. All of the free counseling you're offered usually ends with a discussion about god.
hyroller
Bluelighter
hmmm... talk about some false & misleading information
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I suppose they meant during the insertion. but still. people need to be made aware of the risks....
hyroller
Bluelighter
Sounds like you haven't gotten around to identifying/addressing the issues behind your addiction/drug escapism in the first place..... ?
No I have not. That doesn't seem to be the focus of any treatment offered.
Im sure my story is mild compared to others and not worth getting into here.
Im now at the five month mark. Today I did nothing but sleep to stop myself hurting myself or others - tomorrow will be more of the same.
Im sure my story is mild compared to others and not worth getting into here.
Im now at the five month mark. Today I did nothing but sleep to stop myself hurting myself or others - tomorrow will be more of the same.
nabollocks
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Ever thought of taking up a hobby mate?
Mushroom season is on its way in Aus, so start researching, and get a group of buddies that like the outdoors...
Mushroom season is on its way in Aus, so start researching, and get a group of buddies that like the outdoors...
hyroller
Bluelighter
No-one said you had to get into it on here, but you need to get it off your chest at some point with a qualified psych or someone of equal calibre... the brain is a complex design, and if you have genuinely depressive tendencies (which is what it sounds like to me), and you really do want to move on with life in the long run.... you have to get this shit analysed and sorted.
no point leaving it & leaving the door to relapse wide open somewhere down the line - the past 5 months have to amount to something!