General MDPV advice?

[Dash Riprock]

^That's just disingenuous...pharmacologically speaking, combining a DMT-containing vine with an MAOI-containing one makes perfect sense.

The massive EADD thread about tan/white MDPV is total nonsense. Freebase and salt forms don't have different effects, just a difference in potency and different suitabilities to different ROAs. I never tried tan MDPV, but if the effects really are as disparate as everyone says, the only realistic answer is that they are different chemicals.

There's also the issue of isomers but I doubt any batch of PV has been anything other than the racemate.

I think you misunderstand; nobody is suggesting that "tan" is freebase MDPV. Tan is a solid for one, whereas freebase MDPV is an oil. What seems more likely is that freebase MDPV is less stable than HCl. So, if the HCl is first converted to freebase, it is then unstable enough to degrade into whatever the "tan" actually is (which is clearly not MDPV). Also note that stuffmonger photographed two different oils forming in his process; it may be the case that the second oil, produced with more heating, is not freebase MDPV but something else.

Anyhow, like I said above, the process is not yet well understood, but that does not mean that it's bullshit. You might dismiss that thread as "total nonsense", but personally I place more trust in ACTUAL EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS than the offhand dismissals of armchair chemical theorists who refuse to even attempt any experiments at all! No offence intended of course, I have the greatest respect for the scholarship of those with real chemistry knowledge, I just get tired of the legions of know-it-all's and naysayers who prefer to spout fragments out of textbooks they don't even understand rather than to just admit that they don't have an immediate explanation for what has been discovered.

/rant

 

[ektamine]

re: General MDPV advice?

the shadow people aren't real.

 

[Tony Williams]

I think ONE MAIN problem, is normally when you're sober and weigh a dose, EYEBALLED you may do it fine but after being stimmed for a couple of days you could quickly make a mistake.

 

[GwackyG]

Well it's been several weeks since I started this thread, and I still have more than half of my gram left. After all the talk about getting a scale I found that I only used it the first coupla days, and now I just know how much I need.

I start with like a 5 mg dose and then every coupla hours snort a dose that's prob like a coupla mg's. Maybe 2 or 3 redoses an afternoon. I stop by 9, and am able to sleep by 1 AM. I try to skip a day here and there, but I've done it several days in a row sometimes.

I haven't had any paranoia just some really cold hands and feet. Would my use be considered excessive? I've heard some people do a gram in a coupla days.

 

[GwackyG]

By the way PV+Fleshlight=

 

[ektamine]

it's a functional psychosis...you'll be able to tell you're going crazy and know it's time to call it a night

heh, thats the mystery of the peeves...

you'll be able to tell you're going crazy and know it's time to call it a night but still refuse.

For me, at least. I am quite reckless when it comes to the pv.

 

[embryonic]

heh, thats the mystery of the peeves...

you'll be able to tell you're going crazy and know it's time to call it a night but still refuse.

For me, at least. I am quite reckless when it comes to the pv.

This would be why I promptly got rid of mine haha. The second night I had my gram, and eyeballed it 8), I kept doing bump after bump, then smoked some.

I went absolutely fucking crazy... I was at my mom's place, and she saw me binging and didn't like it a damn bit (not a fan of white powders going up me nostrils), and after a while we heard a loud bang at the door . No one was making themselves visible in the peephole so that further fueled my paranoid, nearly schitzo psychosis. Mind you this was my first and only stimulant psychosis and I had a good nights rest beforehand.

I was convinced that this luxury car outside her place was some sort of federal agent out to get me, made her come into the walk in closet to talk to me and flushed ~750mg of MDPV afterwards. Luckily for me, she had some lorazepam and after about 4mgs kicked in I was slightly less paranoid... The next day she made me get a friend to take my bong and some Yage out of the place haha. I must've made her sketch the fuck out, too...

I've done it since, but it got boring fast and I got rid of the other 200mgs or so. My advice would be to invest in a proper mg scale because eyeballing this stuff is just plain STUPID or just avoid PV like the plague haha.

 

[GwackyG]

Yeah if I started getting psychotic from it I would certainly flush it pronto. I guess I've been lucky so far.

Btw embryonic your mom sounds like one hell of a chick.

 

[embryonic]

Oh she is haha. Let's me do whatever I want, but not too keen on stims.

 

[Dedbeet]

Yeah if I started getting psychotic from it I would certainly flush it pronto. I guess I've been lucky so far.

Btw embryonic your mom sounds like one hell of a chick.

Me too, fwiw -- if I feel myself literally going crazy on a substance (i.e. not just delusions like hearing voices in fans but seeing demons, getting paranoid, etc) I'll stop doing it.

The exception for me was desoxypipradrol, as the duration of the high means you don't know you're losing it until it's too late. Anyone prone to binging should stay miles away from that substance, unless being locked up for a long time sounds attractive.

 

[1q2w3e4r5t6y]

dude, take this to heart cause i wish my future self would have come to me when i started this shit and told this... absolute #1 rule!!!! never ever ever ever fucking try smoking that shit!!!! dont even think about it... youll get pulled into a binge faster than you can say "MDPV". theres not much to it other than that but there is one thing i can say for sure... 1 gram of MDPV is way to much for one person to have in their possesion. your gram shows up, youll baby it (scraping every tiny spec so you dont waist any). 100mg in, youll be waisting it carlessly because youve now realized that the carpet is a way better place for it than in your body... oh and if you plan on sharing it with anyone, ask yourself this first... "do i value this person as a human being?" "can i moraly pass this addiction on to another living, breathing person?" good luck and be safe... if you have any questions while your using, send me a message cause ive had alot of experiance... MDPV has taken me to heavon, hell, and everwhere inbetween.


PS: if your like me and you like getting high with your cat... dont get your cat high on MDPV because will never be more iritated than that.

 

[1q2w3e4r5t6y]

oh, one more thing... your for sure gona get freaked out by some of the side effects of this drug, it happend to me and i wished there was someone who had experiance so i could talk to them and ease my mind. ive felt every possible side effect at every possible intensity. you may not think so now, but youll know exactly what im talking about once your there... ive copiloted others through this before so hit me up if you need to.

 

[1q2w3e4r5t6y]

^That's just disingenuous...pharmacologically speaking, combining a DMT-containing vine with an MAOI-containing one makes perfect sense.

The massive EADD thread about tan/white MDPV is total nonsense. Freebase and salt forms don't have different effects, just a difference in potency and different suitabilities to different ROAs. I never tried tan MDPV, but if the effects really are as disparate as everyone says, the only realistic answer is that they are different chemicals.

There's also the issue of isomers but I doubt any batch of PV has been anything other than the racemate.

no, i have the explination for this... i had pure white MDPV and left it sitting on the table for several hours. it than slowly turned offwhite and then brown and also produced a stonger smell... exposure to air does this but its effect do not change in any way.

 

[Rusted Chains]

^
Yeah well, oxidation of pvhcl doesn't explain the alleged end product of the other thread. Some suggested the rumored "supertan" results from a biosynthesis of heat treated/processed mdpv freebase that is kept moist for a peiod of several days and allowed to dry. I think it's highly unlikely. Only a few newly registered greenlighters have claimed success with the conversion. No long-time Bluelighters have had similar results. The jury is still out on whether or not this conversion/transformation process is for real. Until Captain Codshit, Shambles or someone credible reports that the process is repeatable, I'm saying most of the thread is junk.

I was not aware that hcl turned off-white then brown in a matter of hours after exposure to air. That seems a little funky. Never noticed much of a change in color. Just a slight change in the way it vapes. There is a zamzam bake process for white hcl that is said to result in a tan-looking product...but that requires 200C temps and produces a euphoric, but dangerous, end product. All of this info is of course anecdotal and/or hearsay.

 

[GR33NH34T]

I have recently purchased some MDPV powder. I eyeballed a small bump - prob about 15-20mgs - and bumped it. The rush is pretty intense. Anyway ... I found it fairly mild in comparison to other illegal drugs I have done in the past. I have an extensive history with meth, and week long no sleep benders is nothing new to me. I found the come down from MDPV to be a little uncomfortable, however I do not see it being nearly as dangerous as I have read.

I also found that this substance definitely lets you know when its time to quit ... unlike others. The euphoria only occurs with the first dose, and very slightly with the second ... after that all you really feel are the ill side effects. After dosing for 3 days ... roughly 300mg in 3 days ... I felt like a complete wreck. Mentally and physically exhausted, digestive pains, and a killer headache all told me it was time to put the rest away.

My advice to any experienced drug user looking into trying this substance ... start small, and listen to your body. The urge to re-dose can sometimes mute the inner voice of reason telling you its time to quit.

Also everybody experiences each chemical differently based on biological chemistry as well as previous experiences. I believe that my past experiences with meth and the craziness that it induces after several days, weeks, months of continuous use could have dulled the ill effects of this chemical.

In my opinion, this is a relatively mild chemical at low to moderate doses, however the initial rush can be a little overwhelming.

 

[GR33NH34T]

no, i have the explination for this... i had pure white MDPV and left it sitting on the table for several hours. it than slowly turned offwhite and then brown and also produced a stonger smell... exposure to air does this but its effect do not change in any way.

I have found some information (do not know its creditability though) stating that MDPV is hydrophylic, meaning that it attracts moisture from the air. Perhaps the mixture of moisture and oxygen or nitrogen from the air causes some sort of reaction? Not too sure. But what I have read about "pyrovalerone" chemicals is that they have a high attraction and high affinity to create new chemical bonds, thus changing the chemical makeup of the substance. So being a pyrovalerone and being hydrophylic, it would make sense that the chemical would be altered if left exposed to air for a period of time.