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General MDPV advice?

Ok. I tried MDPV again this morning, sort of as a wake up call while I search for a job on the internet. Being laid off really sucks, but my RC's are gettting me by in case of a job drug test. My scale should arrive this afternoon, so I once again tried a very small dose. After 15 mins I noticed some energy and maybe a little body buzz. I want to get to a more eneregized euphoric state so I took a little more (same dose, very small) after 30 mins and am still feeling the same. I'm afraid to do more because I know theres a fine line between feeling good and overdoing it. How long is it OK to redose again? I probably should wait for the scale later today, but I know I won't.
 
I think we scared the hell out of you.

You aren't going to enjoy the drug if you're constantly afraid of over doing it and while it is easy to over do it with redose potential it's not as frightening as you're making it out to be.

Just keep doing small lines until you feel the effect youre looking for...If you just want it as a study aid or mild energy boost then do what you are doing.

If you want to use it recreationally up the dosage...During my first experience I did 3 20mg lines right off the bat and one more about 30 minutes later.

You aren't going to get the psychosis/hallucination/delusion effects if you keep your trips under 80-100mg. (What I've gathered from my own experience and browsing most of the MDPV posts on this site and a few others)
 
Thanks chemist. I actually did do several small lines over the course of about 2 hours and felt really good! I stopped for a few hours to see what the comedown is like, so far not bad I guess i didn't do enough to have a bad one. I forced myself to eat something and all is well. I appreciate the advice.
 
GwackyG said:
Thanks chemist. I actually did do several small lines over the course of about 2 hours and felt really good! I stopped for a few hours to see what the comedown is like, so far not bad I guess i didn't do enough to have a bad one. I forced myself to eat something and all is well. I appreciate the advice.
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For me the comedown came 2 full days after my last dose from a one-night binge of about 80mg and lasted almost an entire week of the worst anxiety I have ever experienced.

The anxiety came in waves. First I noticed was a 20 minute anxiety attack where I could not find peace anywhere inside my house and was too anxious to leave. I went from room to room becoming increasingly depressed and was ready to cry as I just felt like there was nowhere in the world for me.

This passed and I thought I was OK. Next day it came again on my way to work. I spent the journey trying to decide if I could face going in, the indecision was terrible. Somehow I managed to get through the day but it was unpleasant.

I had what in retrospect was a minor incident losing my cat and a related fall out with my gf which left me as close to suicidal as I have been.

The anxiety remained for the rest of the week, each day at work was a struggle to overcome my own fear and act normal.

This is a walk in the park though compared to some of the stories I've read involving visits to the hospital and serious paranoid / delusional episodes.

I flushed my stash. I regretted it a few weeks later as by all accounts used sensibly this stuff can be a lot of fun - but it's difficult to use sensibly. Be careful with your dosing. You have not experienced the comedown after "a few hours".

The good news is it's supposed to be fairly benign physically...
 
Wow knockando that's some bad story. Sorry u went thru that! Well I haven't done more yet today and after your post I'm thinking I really should use it sparingly. I had similar symptoms years ago when I was really abusing MDMA in crazy amounts. After 2 days, I would b anxious depressed and cry for no reason and it sucked. I'll try to take it easy. Thanks for the story.
 
GwackyG said:
Wow knockando that's some bad story. Sorry u went thru that! Well I haven't done more yet today and after your post I'm thinking I really should use it sparingly. I had similar symptoms years ago when I was really abusing MDMA in crazy amounts. After 2 days, I would b anxious depressed and cry for no reason and it sucked. I'll try to take it easy. Thanks for the story.
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It just worried me a bit when you said you were seeing what the comedown was like after a few hours.

In truth I don't want to scare you though that's probably the effect of my post. Sorry!

I had actually been chasing my MDPV off foil occasionally once or twice a week prior to this event, and it didn't seem that strong. I was doing 5-10mg doses, just once or twice in a session, and the effects were very mild, just a very slight euphoria and stimulation that didn't last all that long. I'd started to think my PV was cut or that the stories I'd read didn't apply to me!

Then that fateful Friday night I decided to see what it was really about and snorted 20mg. The euphoria was intense! I can only describe the effect as like a high-pitched tone of pleasure and stimulation. I don't think I actually heard a tone but I felt it. A switch had been thrown in my brain and it was full on great! I described it at the time as being better than any coke or MDMA although my mind is changed about that now thanks to the comedown!

I chased the high for a few hours once that wore off but it didn't work the same and that's how I got through 80mg in the space of maybe eight hours - this was my mistake!

Hoping you don't make the same one :\
 
Don't bother with MDPV unless you're going to convert it from white (HCl) into tan first. See this thread http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=541627 for how. Then smoke out of a lightbulb for best results. You don't need a scale that way, as the effect is immediate so it's easy to regulate, providing you have self-control. But again, DO NOT BOTHER trying to cop a buzz from unconverted MDPV HCl, you won't get any meaningful euphoria, just a nasty edgy nervousness, followed by heart palpitations and shortness of breath. Even though MDPV seems to be very safe, you won't be thinking so at that point lol...
 
^i disagree. Injecting (IV) MDPV HCl is euphoric as fuck and the way to go. Are you referring MDPV HCl converted into the freebase when you're talking about "tan"?

If so it would not be water soluble and cannot be IVed.
 
LivingOnValium said:
^i disagree. Injecting (IV) MDPV HCl is euphoric as fuck and the way to go. Are you referring MDPV HCl converted into the freebase when you're talking about "tan"?

If so it would not be water soluble and cannot be IVed.
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Read the thread he linked to in his post. It's more than just converting it into a freebase.
 
LivingOnValium said:
^i disagree. Injecting (IV) MDPV HCl is euphoric as fuck and the way to go. Are you referring MDPV HCl converted into the freebase when you're talking about "tan"?

If so it would not be water soluble and cannot be IVed.
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^THIS. The 'Tan' , at least what I have had is NOT a freebase, it is 'tan' HCI.

 
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clara said:
^THIS. The 'Tan' , at least what I have had is NOT a freebase, it is 'tan' HCI.

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Yeah, the "tan" is not MDPV freebase and not MDPV HCl. It's what you get when you convert MDPV HCl to freebase and then let it "react" in some currently not-well-understood way with air and water. See the other thread for full details.

BTW, the picture above looks like "the tan", but the bag is most likely mislabeled. Fairly pure MDPV HCl is always white - not brown like that.


Anyway, seriously don't bother with the HCl, it's total shit (at least smoking or snorting, never IV'd it myself) whereas the tan, whatever it is, is fucken' MAGIC.
 
^uh..

So it's converted to freebase and then "treated with air and water" and it magically converts to another more potent & euphoric substance just like that?? Like you're making something even more potent than MDPV and you don't even know how? Sorry but chemistry doesn't work like that.

My guess is that the "conversation" yields just mdpv freebase which is more potent by weight than the HCl and probably smokes/vaporizes much better and cleaner. When MDPV HCl is vaped it always gets charred up in the end and therefore some of it is always wasted. But when other ways ROAs are concidered it shouldn't be any different than the HCL.

I know how massive the thread is you're talking about but because it's completely lacking intelligent posts by the chemistry-witty inviduals from ADD i find it to contain very unreliable information.
 
LivingOnValium said:
So it's converted to freebase and then "treated with air and water" and it magically converts to another more potent & euphoric substance just like that?? Like you're making something even more potent than MDPV and you don't even know how? Sorry but chemistry doesn't work like that. .
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Yeah, I mean Amazonian shamans taking one orally inactive plant and potentiating it with a vine "because the vine told them to do it" makes no sense either, pharmacology doesn't work like that.
 
^That's just disingenuous...pharmacologically speaking, combining a DMT-containing vine with an MAOI-containing one makes perfect sense.

The massive EADD thread about tan/white MDPV is total nonsense. Freebase and salt forms don't have different effects, just a difference in potency and different suitabilities to different ROAs. I never tried tan MDPV, but if the effects really are as disparate as everyone says, the only realistic answer is that they are different chemicals.

There's also the issue of isomers but I doubt any batch of PV has been anything other than the racemate.
 
the outsider said:
^That's just disingenuous...pharmacologically speaking, combining a DMT-containing vine with an MAOI-containing one makes perfect sense.
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Of course it makes perfect sense, but the discovery was done in a non-scientific fashion.

I am saying LoV's argument is bullshit because the argument seems to be: chemical reactions can't be discovered by those naive in chemistry. Clearly they can.
 
^Do you seriouisly think MDPV can be converted into something psychoactive, and better (in the recreational sense) by soaking the freebase in water and then drying it out?

Come on.. do you expect a chemical reaction to happen at the pH 7 and then just from the exposure to air? There just isn't any chemistry going on. Don't be a retard.

Edit: Only meaning this wouldn't happen in this case with the MDPV molecule.
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knockando said:
Of course it makes perfect sense, but the discovery was done in a non-scientific fashion.

I am saying LoV's argument is bullshit because the argument seems to be: chemical reactions can't be discovered by those naive in chemistry. Clearly they can.
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Fair enough. I agree with LivingOnValium though; I'm having trouble seeing how MDPV could be oxidised or react with water. The only thing that springs to mind is cleavage of the methylenedioxy ring, which I don't know much about but think it requires a strong base at least.

I call bullshit on the whole white to tan conversion process, and I suspect placebo is playing a large role here. If the original tan wasn't actually a different drug, this post by fastandbulbous makes a lot of sense:

I think the tan stuff got a reputation as that was the colour of the first lot widely available and people were blown away by it's potency. Once it became more commonplace (& white) people were much more familiar with it and as the adage goes 'familiarity breeds contempt' so the tan stuff became a mythical product (druggies are prone to waxing mythical about products - it goes with the territory!)
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Well guys, you can "call bullshit" all you want, but I've had "tan", and whatever it is, it sure isn't MDPV HCl. Others who have compared the two substances side-by-side agree. The effects are completely different!

As to stuffmonger's process, you're correct in that so far nobody has been able to suggest a conclusive theoretical explanation for what's going on, although many possibilities have been raised. However, this does not change the fact that his process works, and has been replicated by others. There's nothing "scientific" about ignoring experimental evidence just because you don't have a theoretical explanation for it yet.

Anyhow, I'm not going to waste time arguing this. Why don't you just try the process and see what happens? Not that I care, if you want to miss out on perhaps the best stimulant there is, that's your loss lol...
 
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