General Heroin Discussion #18 - v. Stupidity ain't no badge of honor

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Ok that answers my next question kinda, I was going to ask if you wean down will you have any withdrawal?
 
My clinic I believe would go down by 5mg every other week until around 40mg, then they would do it by like 2mg every other week. I admit that I tapered down off methadone from 65mg to 0 in about three months and this was alot faster than the clinic reccomended, but I didn't feel that bad.
 
Ok that answers my next question kinda, I was going to ask if you wean down will you have any withdrawal?

You're always going to have to deal with some level of withdrawal, no matter the opiate, and no matter what you do. But, if you do it right and taper slow, come off at a low dose, which in the case of methadone would be like 2.5mg's or something, it really is fine. You feel a little uncomfortable, but it's nowhere near anything like kicking a full on dope habit. The shitty thing with methadone, is because of its long half-life, the withdrawals last a while, even though they wont be severe if you taper. But, still, it is very bearable. I know many people who detoxed right, and said they felt minimal withdrawals. It works.
 
I tapered down from 125mgs to 0 in a matter of 3 days, because of drug court, and yes it lasted a very long time, weeks, but it wasn't as bad as dope withdrawal, longer, but not as bad. Then again everyone handles it completely differently, if you do it right, its much easier then dope. But its still not gonna be a walk in the park.
 
I like when people say "oh man I don't want to get addicted to methadone too. Dope is bad enough but methadone is the devils drug." I can't believe people believe everything they hear or read without any real experiance on the subject. Methadone is a better alternative to dope when obtained legally.
 
I like when people say "oh man I don't want to get addicted to methadone too. Dope is bad enough but methadone is the devils drug." I can't believe people believe everything they hear or read without any real experiance on the subject. Methadone is a better alternative to dope when obtained legally.


Exactly, dope can never provide the stability, legalness, safety, and counseling/doctor advice. I don't like methadone, but thats probably just cus i had a corruptish clinic, which seems to be happening alot, but that doesn't change the fact that its a much better alternative.

Also i feel a lot of people who talk shit on methadone are people similar to me as in just having bad experiences with corrupt clinics.
 
All you young bucks talk shit all you want about not gaining weight no matter what you eat. Just wait until you hit 40 - 50 years and your metabolism slows to a crawl. Your size 30 waist jeans will be history.

Regarding methadone detox, I was on the program for 2 or more years in the late '80. My maintenance dose was 80 mg. I went from there to zip in approximately 6 months. When I got down to about 30 or 40 mg the step-down was 5 mg per, if I recall correctly. I don't remember any withdrawal symptoms. Exercise get the endorphins flowing and helps considerably. To this day I run regularly

The real challenge is the psychological pull once clean. Looking back, I didn't fall in love with one of the most potent emotion-numbing substances because I loved the way I felt about myself at the time. I had (and still have) issues. Once the drugs were gone, I was stuck with myself. I firmly believe that had I not done something to address (read, improve) the way I felt about myself after I got clean, I would've found it absolutely necessary to revert back to using dope to deal with the emotional pain.
 
I like when people say "oh man I don't want to get addicted to methadone too. Dope is bad enough but methadone is the devils drug." I can't believe people believe everything they hear or read without any real experiance on the subject. Methadone is a better alternative to dope when obtained legally.

Exactly. No matter how you slice it, methadone is 10x better than being out and using. I can see if somebody is just tired of being dependent on anything, and would rather just kick all together and be done.. so in that case, cool, go to detox than and sweat it out. A lot of people aren't ready to go from using to sober though that quickly, so maintenance drugs allow you to obtain stability, and develop mechanisms to stay clean and improve your life over a long period of time before you finally make the decision to get off everything for good. They provide a gradual transition back to normal life, because for a lot of people, that's the only way it works for them.. the shock of using full time, going to detox, kicking everything in a month, then being totally sober.. is too much.. so they relapse, which is one of the reasons why detoxes and rehabs have over a 90% rate of return patients, multiple times too.

That being said, a good clinic is important.. there are a lot of shitty ones out there, that will jack you up on a crazy high dose, detox you way too fast, and just generally not have a fucking clue what they are doing. They ruin it for everyone else by creating the negative perception of methadone. But if you find a good clinic, with staff who actually care if you succeed, who don't give you these ridiculously high doses, and know how to detox you comfortably, it's a night and day difference and it really does work.
 
The only person I've ever met in mmt is the guy who I buy methadone from lol.

And my ex girlfriend is a cunt so now im back on my own. So grandaddy purp and trying to get a ton of bags later it is. Lol it's going to be a looooong weekend
 
^ good thing about that is that once you get a little bit of sober time (at least from opies) under neath your belt then you will most likely begin to want it more. You will feel and look better. Took me a few months of bullshitting to figure out that being sober besides for weed is a big stress relief and its nice to not have to be on that daily grind just to get well or high. I miss it but at the same time i dont. Hopefully it will be easier at one point.
 
Fuck I really need to stop doing diesel I need to get my life back

So do it, homie. Just make the jump. Go to the methadone clinic ASAP, and break those bloody chains dope has wrapped around your ankles. What's the worse that can happen? You hate it (not going to happen, anyway. You'll be so surprised how much better you feel), then you just fucking stop going and go back to using. The H is always gonna be there.
 
I got some fire bags today from my main connect. I had a hard time staying awake for the first hour or so it was great! That hasn't happened in awhile. Then my weed guy finally reupped so I got some good dank along with it. should be a good night!
 
I don't wanna lose my main connect in case I go back he changes his number every few weeks
 
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Hah. Okay. So have him keep sending you his new number or keep in touch with him. Once you get on a stable dose of methadone, you're not going to care like you do now. There's always more dope dealers out there, man.
 
I don't wanna lose my main connect in case I go back he changes his number every few weeks
I hate that i gotta say this because it seems like I bust your balls but here goes. Come on.....man up and stop with the bullshit excuses. Really you don't want to lose his digits? If you buy as much dope as you say you do after not hearing from you for a day or two he will be blowing up your phone. Your young what do you like to do besides dope? You gotta have a hobby. I got dirt bikes, guns and guitars that keep me busy when I'm sober. But after this last run I don't have any money yet for my hobbies. But if I keep up with the clinic and don't do stupid shit with my cash I'll be buying ammo motorcycle parts and get my guitar out of the pawn shop. Plus I work 50+ hours a week. We all want you to be clean and not die on us. Come on man go to the clinic Monday as soon as they open. You know you want to. Plus the 'done gets you high anyway.(not really but I figured I would slip this in there)
 
Just picked up a half stack (50 bags). Going out tomorrow to get another half stack
 
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Welderman- I dont know why you said the done gets you high then retracted what you said. Ive been on a mid range dose (59) for a year and still get buzzed. I actually prefer the energetic buzz of done to the sedation of heroin.
 
Easier said than done...I really really like getting high. Like I can't wait to wake up tomorrow so I can get high

You make it sound like some monstrous feat. Methadone is hands down the most easy, comfortable way to get off dope. You get all the benefits of an opiate without all the bullshit that comes with heroin addiction. Its a great way to get your life back, kind of like a cheat card. If you could grow the balls to stop making excuses and go down there, youd be surprised how easy and pleasant it is. You may even feel better than you do while on dope. I do because i prefer being slightly buzzed as opposed to on my face, because i have school and work.

I guess its kinda like sex. Everyone tells you all these horror stories about their first time and youre kind of scared to try it but you know you really want to. And then eventually when the chance falls in your lap, you take it and it ends up being kinda strange at first but then you love it.
 
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