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General Election 2015

Which party would you cast your vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • BNP

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • SNP

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • None of the above (feel free to post in thread)

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
Tbh, the land of Tracey Emin kind of deserves it. Not because of her, but if you've ever been to Margate or Broadstairs or Ramsgate, you'd know what I mean. Still, Swedge'll be pleased. ;)
 
I just had to googlemap "Thanet", to see where the fuck it is. Now I get it.

Maybe they'll spend all their council tax revenue on massive "flood defences" that coincidentally keep brown people out too.

Jesus wept.
 
Why did the unions back ed milliband as labour leader anyway? I find some voting ridiculous. You know the way that a group decides "this is who we're backing so this is who you vote for" I can't explain it, but it's the same as what happens in the house of commons. "this is what the party says so this is how you have to vote" I'm not making much sense but maybe that's because the whole thing doesn't make seinse. "who would you like to make decisions on your behalf?" errr, I have all my faculties, can I not make my own decisions ? Nurse Ratched: "oh no mr mc murphy, you can't make decisions for yourself, if we allow you to make your own decisions then other people would want to make their own decisions and they might make the wrong decisions and we can't be havig that at all. "

It is baffling when I think about it. we attempt to decide who gets to vote on decisions made by others.

My son was voting for the first time and was telling me how daft he thinks it all is and asked why the system didn't change. I told him that it would have to be changed by them in the house of commons...to which he replied oh yes, and they're not going to do that because they like it this way. so there we go, dogs chasing tails and leprechauns chasing rainbows. What would a world without the elites be like?
 
@PP, do the unions still use the Bloc Vote system? Where each delegate at conference casts as many votes as they represent members, in accordance with local policy of the branch they represent? That's open to some interesting paradoxes .....
 
the bbc said there were only 100 people there. they are not to be believed. especially when it comes to election hype. especially when it comes to people you should trust with your kids. especially when it comes to entering a blue peter competition in good faith.
 
a few years back there was some scandal about competitions on tv both of the phone this ridiculous priced number and of the answers on a postcard variety. It was revealed that some of the winners of these competitions were the children of people in the bbc loop or something. I can't remember the details but it was something of a scandal.

On the subject of the bbc I was wondering and often do wond want to march around theer about the bbc families, the likes of dimbleby and attenboroughs. What did their families do before the tv came along? they are clearly part of some circle.

I think unions do still use the weird bloc voting system. This VE day stuff turns my stomach. marching around the wealth they've been protecting for the wealthy.
 
OK, here's where bloc voting breaks down: It assumes that sentiment is evenly divided within each branch.

Branch A has 300 members, of whom 200 are in favour of a motion and 100 against; they pass a local policy in favour.
Branch B has 300 members, of whom 200 are in favour of the same motion and 100 against; they pass a policy in favour.
Branch C has 300 members, all of whom oppose the motion, and they pass a policy against.

At the next annual Conference, the delegate from branch A casts 300 votes in favour. Delegate B casts 300 votes in favour. Delegate C casts 300 votes against ..... And the motion is carried, despite being opposed at grassroots level by 500 members to 400.

Sick of getting pushed round by your boss? Join a Trade Union and get pushed around by a shop steward instead!
 
@PP, do the unions still use the Bloc Vote system? Where each delegate at conference casts as many votes as they represent members, in accordance with local policy of the branch they represent? That's open to some interesting paradoxes .....

I don't have a link handy, but I definitely read somewhere recently that the unions won't have a say in the choice of next Labour leader. It'll be 1 MP, 1 vote.

EDIT: Actually, I can't find anything to back that up. Bah.
 
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Of course this differs wildly from a general election where less than 24% of the electorate vote Tory and the Conservatives obtain a majority in government.

Pink Papaver - Dimbleby's father and grandfather were print journalists. His great-grandfather was a Victorian newspaper owner.

Attenborough's father was Principal at the University of Leicester. Attenborough spent his childhood hanging out around the zoology department there.

All these ancestors are now ghosts.
 
Of course this differs wildly from a general election where less than 24% of the electorate vote Tory and the Conservatives obtain a majority in government.
Yes indeed; in a union, you do theoretically get to influence local policy which tells your delegate how to vote on issues, even before you elect a delegate. Whereas, you usually have to ask your MP how they are going to vote after they have taken power.

Incidentally, if you keep playing around with the numbers on the bloc vote thing, you'll find that differing branch sizes are less likely to cause a paradoxical outcome than uneven distribution of sentiment -- even in my above example, the branch sizes are exactly equal, but the bulk of the opposition is concentrated into one branch. If you didn't think hard enough about it, you might naïvely expect that a boundary change which evened-up the numbers in constituencies was making things fairer; when in fact it could be having the precise opposite effect by consolidating pockets of sentiment.

And once you try to use the archaic first-past-the-post system for electing a candidate from a pool of more than two, you end up with even more opportunities for paradoxical results. Especially because people are perverse and tend to get more passionate about small issues than they do about big ones. For instance:
  • Candidate A favours beheading kittens.
  • Candidate B opposes beheading kittens, but favours serving beer in litres.
  • Candidate C also opposes beheading kittens, but favours retaining the pint for beer.
The rivalry between B and C splits the vote of the ailurophiles, candidate A is elected and kittens are beheaded even although the total vote against beheading kittens is greater than the total vote for. With the Alternative Vote, even C's staunchest supporters, the most vocal opponents of metrication, might well be more prepared to put up with beer in litres if that meant saving cute fluffy kittens from the chop, and so award their second-place vote to B, and vice-versa. So if either B or C loses out in the first round of counting, their votes are more likely to be transferred to C or B respectively.

We could have had the initial vote with just a single X to be marked, and then held a whole 'nother vote after eliminating B or C; but for fairness' sake we really should only be asking those who voted for the losing candidate (otherwise, we can't be sure that someone who voted for a candidate still in the race will not change their mind; you can push a weakly-supported candidate through the first round knowing that your real favourite already has adequate support from other voters, in order to eliminate a stronger-supported candidate. That's how it works on Strictly Come Dancing), and that would mean compromising the secrecy of the ballot.
 
I'm going to write to nicola sturgeon and propose that england be renamed southern scotland, so english people can vote snp too.
 
Agreed ^

If only there was a far left party who didnt want independence available for anyone in the UK to vote for, to stick it right up the fucked up voting system (and the Tories).
 
Heh. My Facebook is full of images of English people attempting to cross the border, like Cuban refugees in liferafts. :D

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and

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Scottish river police have already intercepted 500 english migrants attempting to cross the tempestuous River Tweed, in overloaded and ramshackle craft.

Chief Inspector Mc Tartan informed this reporter "This is the beginning of a whole new humanitarian crisis for Scotland. Who will take care of these pieces of human flotsam? Who will pay for all the blankets and mars bars? Not us, Jimmy."

The UN are holding an emergency summit in Barbados to discuss how best to handle the immigration crisis.

Meanwhile those who survive the perilous crossing are being detained at a tent village just outside Kelso, while their applications for asylum are processed.

etc. ;)
 
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I don't have a link handy, but I definitely read somewhere recently that the unions won't have a say in the choice of next Labour leader. It'll be 1 MP, 1 vote.

You're correct that they ended the weird system they had before (when it was 1/3 unions, 1/3 MPs and 1/3 party members), but rather than being one MP one vote, it'll be one Labour party member, one vote. The MPs still have the say in terms of who gets nominated though, I believe a prospective candidate requires the endorsement of 35 MPs before they go to the popular vote. But yeah, "the unions" as an entity no longer have a bloc vote.
 
Man I wish we had a green party here that was libertarian in nature and not so politically motivated/ had sense. Yes our goal is to find sustainable enviro energy but we are fooling ourselves if we think we are going to be able to halt all production now. Also make the regulations on the big picture and have little contact with the everyday citizen. Nobody likes an overbearing nanny state government..
 
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