In my HR work, Lifeline asked me to help. A lady had come to ask for help. She was dependent on photocopier cleaner. It took me a few hours to figure out it was GBL. The stomach acid will produce GHB but it seems very hard on the body. In the end I had to design a replacement strategy using diazepam. Happily she was able to swap with no problem and got down from 50ml to 10mg diazepam TID and reduced and got clean after 6 months. So remember, if *I* am the guy having to design the therapy then understand that it isn't well understood, is harmful and is difficult to stop using. Yes, caustic soda will yield GHB but it is making a cross for your back.
It works out that 1g of anhydrous GHB = 10mg of diazepam (once steady plasma state is reached). That means 3-5 uncomfortable days swapping but then a GP or drugs agency can help.
So please, occasional use is nasty (stomach issues) but chronic use is very bad. It is up to you what you decide to do but at any point in the future then ask.
DVW
I'm using GBL to quit pregabalin, not going to use it longer than 2 weeks daily, I dose 1,5ml and after that every 30min 0,5ml. I didn't ask if GBL is bad for the body, I know it is not good, I asked if GHB produce better effects than GBL. And benzos are useless compared to GBL, I get suicide state depression from quitting opium (or it might be pregabalin wd) so I need GBL, benzos never have gave me any positive mood like GBL or pregabablin.
OK - well GBL is a prodrug. Stomach acid converts it to GHB. Like pregabalin it is a direct GABA ligand which has a lot of receptors hence the large (compared to most medicines) dose. I cannot say if you are using the right tactic but it seems one way to go. I would think directly reducing pregabalin would be the safer option but I don't know your situation. You see a problem, you are looking to solve that problem for which I can only have respect. Whatever else, keep a diary if you can. If your idea works then it really could be really valuable. On the other hand, maybe pregabalin is an alternative to diazepam? When I designed the Lifeline guidelines pregabalin wasn't published in the UK. In fact, we are only starting to respond to the GABA ligands.
Sleep is the most important issue. With sedatives, it is tonic clonic seizures that are the risk so if you can possibly obtain just a few benzos so if you get myoclonic jerks (a warning sign) then you can quell them. Beyond that it really is an unknown sea. I do know it is killing a lot of people in Wales. People are shipping in odd, technically legal ligands (from Russia, by the looks of it). I do remember someone finding baclofen substituted and works at a much lower dose. The -Cl increases cLogP and stops the major metabolic route,
I just don't have enough data but all I can say is that diazepam is now the standard HR solution in the UK. I think 1g TID equaled 10mg BID of diazepam. It is a very gray area so your input is very valuable.
Take care, ask all the questions you want and let me know if I can help.
-Sean
CFC: I've done GBL for 2 weeks 24/7 use before and it only gave me insomnia for 2 days. Over 2 weeks already gives mild wd's, GBL anyway's give very short wd's. Also I might be use benzos for 2-4 days for quitting GBL or I might get some phenibut if I notice any serious WD's.
wrong. you'd need a base to hydrolyse it into GHB, like caustic lye (the usual method of producing GHB, at least the one I used).Stomach acid converts it to GHB.
Did you dose all day every day on that occasion? I've lost two friends to GBL abuse, and helped others with w/d, so I'm sadly acutely aware of its addictive potential and the harm it can cause. I would hate to see you end up in that situation. Please be very cautious and preferably don't go down this route.
I quit after 5 days 24/7 use (dosed every 30-45min, this is like crack), I got migraine attacks and would puke all day, even after just taking 0,5ml, I couldnät take anymore and I burned my throat and mouth because I would puke 5min after dosing. Too bad was already at the end of pregabalin wd's, so this plan didn't go like I planned and I'm back on pregabalin.
Dude, consider yourself lucky, you got off light...
If you got any GBL left, PM me, I'll give you the recipe to make good GHB with it. At least it's the real thing, non-toxic if you use the right chemicals and way more pleasant.
I dunno if the mods would allow the recipe to be published here (dunno why not, as it considerably reduces the harm done by GBL, but I'm new here).