gbl mixers...

[Fujicrow]

chemelion: that's interesting... so theoretically, if I wanted to synthesize just one dose (roughly 1 ml of GBL) of GBL into NaGHB...
putting 1ml GBL + 200ml of H20 + 1.2 grams of NaOH in a pyrex cup/glass cup and then heating for some time (less than a couple of minutes) THEN checked the PH to be at around 7...would it work and be edible?
[ 19 November 2002: Message edited by: Fujicrow ]

 

[craig420]

ouch, that was a serious brain fart on my part. In my haste to disprove Bonecutters remarks, I made some pretty serious goofball mistakes myself. I edited my post above to reflect what I should have been saying. That'll teach me to post when I'm tired.
BTW, Chemelion, that was actually a very clear and concise summary of the ghb formation process. I've read a number of writeups on the procedures and seen it done a number of times but noone's ever described the process as simply as you just did in so few words. Kudos to you.

 

[Partykid12]

any juices that are citric help with the taste of gbl. if only i could get my hands on some.... it is litteraly extinct here in Maryland

 

[Chemelion]

FujiCrow:
When i do it, i use the following...
250mL GBL
1000mL H2O
130g NaOH
but i only use 300-500Ml of the H2O to start with and then add the rest in at the end (its quicker and easier to heat less water)... to dilute it to a specified concentration.
Therefore, using 1mL of GBL, you'd need 0.52g NaOH and 4mL of H2O... but more H2O can be used.
Chemelion

 

[two wobinas over the cuckoos nest]

BUMP

 

[bongbudda]

I can see the chemical reaction, but the sum doesnt work, where does the other hydrogen atom come from?
C4H6O2 + NaOH -> C4H7NaO3. So where does the extra H come from to make it work?

 

[Benzo-messiah]

Originally posted by bongbudda:

C4H6O2 + NaOH -> C4H7NaO3. So where does the extra H come from to make it work?
I'm not quite sure what's the point you don't get. But the lactone (on the left side of the equation) grabs a hydrogen from NaOH (C4H6O2 becomes C4H7NaO3) to became the final product.
[ 25 November 2002: Message edited by: Benzo-messiah ]

 

[bongbudda]

No, my point was that GHB is H8 rather than H7 so where does the other one come from when it makes ghb?

 

[Chemelion]

GHB is: C4H8O3
and NaGHB is: C4H7NaO3
so to make NaGHB from NaOH and GBL, it only needs to grab 1 Hydrogen.
Chemelion

 

[bongbudda]

Oh, I see, well thanks for clearing that up for me.