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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

That's not totally true shammy.

There's - a wee bit of relaxing dose
The sweetspot dose
The I kinda wanna go just above sweetspot ( usually because you're befuttled anyway )

then there's your tried and true through experience KNOCK YOU OUT dose.
 
The "I kinda wanna go just above sweetspot" dose = KO dose everytime. Or just ends up in semi-conscious spazz-out which is even worse. We all know this. And you and I have seen each other try to foil that rule and fail more than once too :D
 
The point of a slightly above recreational dose is to put me to sleep. I have a lot of trouble getting to sleep, even with low doses of GBL.
I remember last time I tried a recreational dose for sleep, I kept waking up every hour unable to get back to sleep, meaning I had to keep getting up to dose.

With my previous batch, 4ml of GBL (recreational dose of 2.25ml) would knock me out for 2-4 hours, long enough to get over that annoying phase where:
a) you can't get to sleep
b) you have to keep getting up every 30 minutes to go piss

This dosage of GBL never ever gave me G-shock.
However this new batch seems to be more potent, with my recreational dose being 1.75ml. I forgot to take this into account when doing my knockout dose, so am hoping about 2.50ml should do it.
 
That would be precisely where the problem lies, I'd say. I would strongly recommend that nobody ever uses GBL to sleep cos that's where it fails in a massive way and leads to all kinds of problems. Just a really Bad Idea. It's a shit sleep-aid cos all it does is KO you for a coupla hours then wakes you up with a rebound thus forcing you into a vicious circle of addiction.

If you want to use G recreationally then do that and put up with having to put up with it taking a bit longer to fall asleep naturally. Or take your last dose earlier in the night. If you want a sleep aid then look elsewhere cos GBL is a terrible one. Ime, imo, lfo, lsd, etc.
 
Sorry, Im not sure if you understood me.

I don't use GBL for sleep after a GBL session, the only time I use it for sleep is for after a stim session.
And its only the one high dose, because when I wakeup, I go toilet and then back to bed, where I can then get my proper sleep without any problem.
 
As I said - I would strongly recommend not using GBL as a sleep aid. Didn't mention stims specifically but the same applies for the same reasons - and is still a Bad Idea. Imo, ufo, xtc, etc. It's just not a good drug to use for sleeping for a bazillion reasons. Benzos are for sleeping. GBL is for staying awake :)
 
I can cos I'm scripted them. But still rarely if ever use them to sleep after stims. Is it such a bad thing to just wind down and enjoy the drifting? I always found that stage one of the most enjoyable parts of stims. Probably just me though.
 
pontifex01 said:
Well, how often do you knock yourself out with GBL? If it's more than once a week I'd strongly recommend you start sniffing around for benzos (where there's a will there's a way). Even once a week can bring problems such as moodswings, irritability and poor concentration.

It's interesting you can get to sleep after coming-to from a KO dose - if I OD it usually means one or two sleepless nights due to the dopamine rebound.

Oh and I second Shambles' opinion that "just above recreational"=spazzing/blackout.

Lol and I love the proliferation of improvised nomenclature for G-related phenomena. My favourite so far was someone on ED calling a G blackout a "G hole". I mean what the fuck? The government should set up an official body regulating drug slang terms. Petition, anyone?
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Probably twice a week on average for a K/O dose of GBL - Ill try and get some benzos
I tried a much lower dose last night (2.5ml) and I experienced no problems with it.

My body is pretty weird in general when it comes to drugs. I hardly ever experience trouble getting to sleep with the dopamine-rebound. The worst it tends to get is where I toss and turn for about 45-60 minutes, then get back to sleep again as normal.

MDMA just doesn't work on me. My body is quite sensitive to stimulants and for some reason my body has very little problem with tolerance developing.
I remember back when it was legal just before the ban I bought some methylone. I used a little bit each night for like 4 nights in a row with the same doses being used, yet no loss of effects.

Even last year when I was using GBL every day for several weeks I was still getting strong effects from my dosing.
 
pontifex01 said:
GHB is already present in the body; when you take an external supply of it, the body essentially reverses the mechanism it uses to produce its own GHB to metabolise the GHB you've introduced.
That's why you get physical WDs - there's a lull between your body metabolising externally introduced GHB, and re-starting its own production of it.

I thought this was fairly common knowledge; I could source but I can't be fucked, don't feel too good.
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No, that's not common knowledge, and it's not the reason for withdrawal - GABA-b receptor downregulation is. GHB is a stimulating neurotransmitter, so that would make no sense, you'd just be really tired through the WD, not a shaking, anxious insomniac. I see what you mean, but it's just not the case. Any links you can provide would be nice, because I've never heard that.
 
Yeah, I was talking about the benzo-style withdrawal. I've never experienced 'weeks and weeks' of problems after abusing G. It's normally three or four days of shite, and then back to normal. I've not seen many other people complain of feeling shit for that long, either. All the symptoms you just mentioned have gone away after a few days, in my case. Not saying that's the case for you. Fair enough, I've just learnt something new. However, I was talking about the nasty withdrawal effects, that I mentioned in my last post, not ones that you reckon last for weeks. I'm not on my high horse in any way, shape, or form. You're right, just because I've had a problem with it, and done some reading, it doesn't make me an expert. It also doesn't make you one, either. I just like to try and help others in a similar situation, and I think the GHB enzyme function reversal is much less to blame than downregulated GABA receptors. The weird side effects that you just mentioned have all happened to me whilst I've been taking the stuff, even after just a few doses, a lot of other people have said the same, so what would be the reason for that?
 
Anyone else feel pretty motivated the day after a good night out on G?
 
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Is it true that mixing GBL with a stimulant can cause a reduction in the duration of a doses length?
I asked someone I know on another forum, who is a Doctor, and they said that GBL reduces serotonin, dopamine and noradrenaline. Something about it being a GABA-inhibitor, which means a shortened trip.

Any truth to this?
 
Not that I've noticed really. Hard to say though cos the stim tends to mean you dose the guice more frequently. If anything I'd say stims reduce the duration of G rather than the other way around, to be honest. Unless that was what you meant. Not sure if it was the stim or the geebee you meant had a reduced duration :o
 
I meant the stimulant had a reduced duration.

My friend took some mephedrone orally and the dose lasted about 90 mins, then at the end he took some GBL. Then a couple of hours later he took a larger dose of mephedrone again (orally), but this time the dose lasted abour an hour.
 
I never found redosing meph to be very effective anyway meself. Hardly worth the first dose but the law of diminishing returns makes it an even more pointless drug for me. YMMV.

Would still say that it's more the geebee duration that is reduced when combined with stims personally.
 
Ok, awesome. Thanks.

Also, how long does it take the human body to fully clear 1ml of GBL out of the body, so neither GBL or GHB is present.
 
Not positive but not very long at all. Very short half-life - few hours or so, I'd presume - hence short duration at the best of times and need to redose regularly. Your system is never clear of GHB cos it's found naturally in the human body anyway :)
 
GHB actually slows amphetamine tolerance and receptor internalization in my experience, wich makes sense as GABAB is involved in tolerance to for example opiates, also when combining stims with g i dont notice as much of the amp comedown afterwards.

It also potentiates stimulants quite a bit in my experience, GHB induces dopamine release in the rewards related pathway, it only inhibits dopamine in other brainarea's.
 
Has anyone tried anticonvulsants to prevent GBL's brainaps? Brainzaps are mild convulsant activity so perhaps it could work.
 
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